Part 2: I Realised I Can't Divide By Two
Magorian:
Starts off with
this post which feels innocent. The only reason I would see a wolf posting something like this is if they just want to perhaps release some initial nerves or tension, and pass it off as a joke. It's unlikely, but if Mag is a wolf, I'll eat these words.
Took a back seat once Soot interjected on his behalf, which I don't like. I always considered Magorian to be a player who prods and pokes to keep pressure on a player as a means of hunting. Maybe I've glorified him, maybe he has changed since we last played, or maybe I've misremembered him, but this felt out of sync with what I've come to expect from his style of hunting, especially considering he felt I was nervous.
Makes a good point in
this post about Elisianthus. Listed some minor thoughts about Face, Hawk and Fris too. The comment on Fris seemed almost as a throwaway comment, but it's not hard to see how it's difficult to have gotten anything on Fris, his comment on Hawk was typical and nothing unexpected, and I can't find anything that is reading wolfish no matter how much I try at the minute. His good vibes for Face seem a little strange in hindsight – the only reason he gives is that FMelter managed to not go off-course in the discussion. Maybe Magorian had other reasons for the good vibes, but that he only mentioned this one make it appear like it's his sole reason, and it feels like a hollow reason. I can't quite put words to why I think that, but it just feels like an 'easy' way for him to take a stance on the topic of PizzaMelt.
This post could be quite condemning. It's hard to imagine either player flaunting an implied connection right in the open, though. It's something I could consider Magorian pulling off, but I just don't see it. Especially considering the ****storm that was about to come down between the two of them. Keeping it in my mind, but reserving a read in case it becomes relevant in the future.
Soot:
Interjects on Mags behalf, which in turn kills that avenue of investigation for them. Probably not the cause of the dissipation, but it both allowed Mag to take a back seat and then let off any pressure they could have put on me. Later
he mentions how Mag never followed up on it and that gave him a wolf read, but I consider that contrived considering Soot offered Magorian the opportunity to do such in the first place.
Here he posts some thoughts on the more active players at the time, and I've detailed my thoughts on this. TL
R Where it comes to his suspicions he is non-committal here, never stating outright if he finds them wolfy, and leaving avenues that he can lean to either side without much repercussion. It's a very safe LoS that seems to have been made with the apparent intention of not being too offensive to anyone at all, which Pizza notes
here.
He
makes another post here that I've discussed a little already,
here and I think Adaham also touched on this.
This here refute of Llandy's arguments is conflicting as it reads as the opposite of how I've generally been reading Soots. This particular post doesn't read scummy to me.
Makes
a post on page 21 that I've replied to and discussed before -
in the top half of this post.
Hawk:
Comes in on Page 3 with
this post, which didn't ring any alarm bells. It's more a comment of playstyle than anything else, and it's a comment that doesn't read either direction, for me. In my eyes, it's perfectly valid to start the game on any of 3 view points – everyone is innocent and must be proven guilty, everyone is guilty and must be proven innocent, and everyone is neutral and must be proven to be one side or the other. So no, it doesn't read furry to me.
Makes
the post
here. As I've said before – read moderately wolfy to me. I agree with some points he makes about Soot, but I feel that
the point Xardob brought up was a good one that I agree with.
Adaham rejoins us, and Hawk
says this which I think is a little bit strange. Adaham does
mention it though I'm not quite sure what to make of it. There are a few ways it could be taken, but I'm holding out to see if I can gather more information before deciding.
Forgot about
this post but he makes a good point here. Reads town.
Xardob:
Started off fairly banterous, and I didn't get any awkward or furry reads on him. I noticed this, though:
Xardob 说:
Vermillion_Hawk 说:
That's not even uniquely Xardob, that's just smart play in this game.
It's not, actually. Finding innocent is just as, if not more, important than finding the wolves.
While not a bad point, it's kind of just reinforcing what Hawk is saying – if you start with everyone as a wolf, then all you'll be doing is finding innocents. Either I've misread Hawk or Xardob has misrepresented Hawk's point here, even if Xardob's point was valid. This reads scummy, for me.
He makes a
larger post here with some thoughts, which was his most major contribution at the time (or at least, most readable). This read innocent to me – I liked most of the points he made here. The one thing I could question is his (short lived?) packmate theory which has little substance, but I felt the logic behind the connection he made to be somewhat understandable.
On page 21 he makes
this post which doesn't read furry. There is a lot of banter and joking going on, but he makes some valid points too, including a section on Eli, Hawk and Pizza. Makes another
lengthy post that doesn't read furry either, despite the lack any clear stances (besides Adaham not appearing suspicious). But none of it feels malicious or manipulative, and that's why I'm reading it on the innocent side of things.
Pizzaguy:
Read nothing from his first few posts – just felt like typical introductory posts. I'm curious what his current thoughts on
this post. He describes the quoted Magorian post as “very pure”, which implies there is nothing scummy at all. Does it still read as pure to him, or has his opinion changed on the matter at all?
His
initial leans reads quite interestingly now. On the topic of Magorian, Pizza places him in “deep blue” which he mentions “I likely never vote here”, and for Magorian specifically he says:
Lean prone to reversal: Unlikely, but it is within the realm of metaphysical possibility
In hindsight this reads wolfy to me. Why? Because it did not seem very difficult at all for that opinion to change. Magorian remained blue for a while on the radar –
here – before Pizza goes and says in
this post: “Feel like downgrading Magorian, though. I'm feeling so meh on him right now. Nothing wolfy, just.... nothing good either.” If there is nothing good, then how come he was ever in the blue to begin with? The next time he mentions Magorian
here, he mentions that his opinion of Magorian changed very quickly which is at odds with what he said before that suggested it would be very difficult to change opinion (at least, that's what I interpreted “within the realm of metaphysical possibility” as). Oh, and that likely never vote thing? That then happens two posts from Pizzaguy later.
Contrast with this change of heart to his change of heart on myself, and it paints an interesting picture: in that initial leans post, on the topic of myself, he says:
Lean prone to reversal: Realistic but uphill battle.
Recently he mentioned that he had me down as a villager, but I think it wasn't that big a read, and was more of a lean. This fits with his “uphill battle” in the quote. But this steady change contrasts greatly with his inversion of Magorian, whom he claimed he would never vote and whose lean was unlikely to be switched.
It should also be noted that the speed in which Pizza turned from blue to red on Magorian is very similar to the speed in which he turned on Phonemelter. Admittedly this was all early game, so my ideas here crack apart a little, but I still think it holds weight.
I've
mentioned before why I don't like
this post. However, he has recently moved on to suspecting Magorian and
he seems adamant that nothing will persuade him otherwise (similar to his case on Face) and almost directly opposite to his initial read (“likely never vote here”). Maybe I'm reading too much into this, and it's a matter of confidence and playstyle, but for someone who fields such strong positions, it seems very easy for him to move away from those stances quickly, and I feel that weakens the positions he takes.
Soot makes
a post on the topic of Kronic, Adaham and Hawk.
I've discussed this before and I still consider it weak hunting – it relies on one post by Kronic: gut read, gut feeling mixed with meta for Adaham, and a lovely little (essential) OMGUS on Hawk. It's understandable that there isn't a huge amount to work with, but it felt like he was trying to conjure up a pack of wolves. It felt contrived and doesn't read innocent to me.
Frisiandude:
I can't believe I got to page 10 before finding something to talk about – I just didn't get a read on any of his previous.
Here he comes to defend himself (though I'm not sure I'd consider it to be defending
) and make more jokes. And that sums up how I feel about his play, hampered by real life though it is. The problem is that it's typical Frisface, so I don't know which way to read it.
This here post doesn't contain much information, but I read it as villagery. It seems like a genuine attempt at stopping the PizzaMelt from getting out of hand and hampering the rest of the possible discussion.
Again, reads are generally on a post by post basis and I'll give an overall LoS eventually. I'm frustrated with how little I currently have down on Frisian. It looks rubbish compared to the rest.
I hope this isn't too much of a slog.
