[Werewolf] SMAC: Unity [Game ends!]
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Hmm, I can lend you mine, but you're going to have to pay an interest of one vote per WW day on it.
If a lurker wolf gets the hammer today, I think Kronic is the better choice. I'm more suspicious of him, but if that's not the case for you he's also the more practical choice. He's abandoned games before, while Hawk has never before been inactive. Of the two, I think Hawk is more likely to rebound and prove useful.
@Phone (et al),
I am still there with you to give Mad M.Ax the axe today, I'd rather do so than SootShade.
However, no support means I vote elsewhere, you see?
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Who dies?
A Magorian Aximand demands a majority and axe, man!
SootShade lynch because: clap your hands if you believe in Pharoah-ies. Also: lots of walls of text to generate opinions which lean both ways and equivocate a lot. Also wants to lynch Adaham or Eli, which I feel are both not the day one lynch. One is villagery, other is potentially villagery and an easy mislynch if they are one.
Xardog lynch I would presently support, because I don't think he will assist me in lynching a wolf today. But not a lot of votes heading there presently.
Long story short, lynch Maximand, Soot, or Dog today, as mentioned previously, preferably in that order.
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Who lives?
Reasons not to lynch Hawk: I think Magorian is a wolf and he plays deeper than to not bus Hawk!Wolf there, and his reluctance to lynch Hawk!Villager is intended to give me less of what I want, keep the live division between Hawk and Pizza around later in the game (more mislynches) and because Hawk's tone and stances this game indicate disconnection with a wolf team. I wasn't seeing that before because I was looking at a level 2 Magorian!Wolf and he's at least level 3, plus I saw more from Hawk. Magorian threw some shade at him and chose not to pursue that option, but I think he's just switching up his game versus villagers. I feel like he's never lynching a wolf today, but also never lynching certain villagers either. Because he is good at this.
TL;DR things he's done to act like a villager? Not much. Things he's done to behave like a wolf? Not much, and I'm getting mixed signals there. I feel like some things spew him not wolf, and combine that with Magorian!Wolf and he looks better. Of my don't lynch here's, though, I'd lynch here because OMGUS is not bad stuff when you're not sure.
Reasons not to lynch Eli: Too easy to lynch, too consensus, no information is revealed if he flips villager. He's a much better deal-with-him-later option. He also might be special, but that's only my pet theory. Besides, Magorian-wolf wants to lynch him. I feel like being a pain in his furry butt.
Reason not to lynch Frisian: Balloonstache.
Also, this: See? Tell me you profoundly disagree with that.
Reasons not to lynch Vieira: Post 863. Plus general consensus villageriness.
Reason not to lynch Adaham: I think Awesomesmiley is a pretty cool guy, eh spews awesome smiley and doesn't afraid of anything.
For more information click here:
No, seriously, it's in this one. I promise this time.
Also, random prediction: Max, Soot, Dog won't lynch each other.
Reason not to lynch PhoneMelter: Because lynching villagers is dumb? Ipso facto, QED, etc.
Reasons not to lynch Pharaoh X Llandy: As the great 20th century philosopher Robert Bartleh "Zombie" Cummings II (esq.) once said, with regard to Pharaoh's human-ness or wolfish-ness:
Reasons not to lynch Pizza: Insert villagery argument here. Whoops, probably should have fleshed this section out moar.
Other stuffs:
Insert comments about how my whole world would be just shattered if Magorian wasn't a wolf.
Insert excellent rebuttal to that point here: __________________________________
Other other stuffs:
Balloonstache army will destroy you and everything you hold dear.
Also also wik:
All my wolves want to lunch on Eli, and I want them to go teh hungry.
Wi nøt trei a høliday in Sweden this yer?
See the løveli lakes
The wonderful telephøne system
And mani interesting furry animals
Including the majestic møøse
A Møøse once bit my sister ...
I am still there with you to give Mad M.Ax the axe today, I'd rather do so than SootShade.
However, no support means I vote elsewhere, you see?
________________________________
Who dies?
A Magorian Aximand demands a majority and axe, man!
SootShade lynch because: clap your hands if you believe in Pharoah-ies. Also: lots of walls of text to generate opinions which lean both ways and equivocate a lot. Also wants to lynch Adaham or Eli, which I feel are both not the day one lynch. One is villagery, other is potentially villagery and an easy mislynch if they are one.
Xardog lynch I would presently support, because I don't think he will assist me in lynching a wolf today. But not a lot of votes heading there presently.
Long story short, lynch Maximand, Soot, or Dog today, as mentioned previously, preferably in that order.
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Who lives?
Reasons not to lynch Hawk: I think Magorian is a wolf and he plays deeper than to not bus Hawk!Wolf there, and his reluctance to lynch Hawk!Villager is intended to give me less of what I want, keep the live division between Hawk and Pizza around later in the game (more mislynches) and because Hawk's tone and stances this game indicate disconnection with a wolf team. I wasn't seeing that before because I was looking at a level 2 Magorian!Wolf and he's at least level 3, plus I saw more from Hawk. Magorian threw some shade at him and chose not to pursue that option, but I think he's just switching up his game versus villagers. I feel like he's never lynching a wolf today, but also never lynching certain villagers either. Because he is good at this.
TL;DR things he's done to act like a villager? Not much. Things he's done to behave like a wolf? Not much, and I'm getting mixed signals there. I feel like some things spew him not wolf, and combine that with Magorian!Wolf and he looks better. Of my don't lynch here's, though, I'd lynch here because OMGUS is not bad stuff when you're not sure.
Reasons not to lynch Eli: Too easy to lynch, too consensus, no information is revealed if he flips villager. He's a much better deal-with-him-later option. He also might be special, but that's only my pet theory. Besides, Magorian-wolf wants to lynch him. I feel like being a pain in his furry butt.
Reason not to lynch Frisian: Balloonstache.
Also, this: See? Tell me you profoundly disagree with that.
Reasons not to lynch Vieira: Post 863. Plus general consensus villageriness.
Reason not to lynch Adaham: I think Awesomesmiley is a pretty cool guy, eh spews awesome smiley and doesn't afraid of anything.
For more information click here:
No, seriously, it's in this one. I promise this time.
Also, random prediction: Max, Soot, Dog won't lynch each other.
Reason not to lynch PhoneMelter: Because lynching villagers is dumb? Ipso facto, QED, etc.
Reasons not to lynch Pharaoh X Llandy: As the great 20th century philosopher Robert Bartleh "Zombie" Cummings II (esq.) once said, with regard to Pharaoh's human-ness or wolfish-ness:
Reasons not to lynch Pizza: Insert villagery argument here. Whoops, probably should have fleshed this section out moar.
Other stuffs:
Insert comments about how my whole world would be just shattered if Magorian wasn't a wolf.
Insert excellent rebuttal to that point here: __________________________________
(Doesn't matter since he's a wolf.)
Other other stuffs:
Balloonstache army will destroy you and everything you hold dear.
Also also wik:
All my wolves want to lunch on Eli, and I want them to go teh hungry.
Wi nøt trei a høliday in Sweden this yer?
See the løveli lakes
The wonderful telephøne system
And mani interesting furry animals
Including the majestic møøse
A Møøse once bit my sister ...
SootShade 说:
My reasons are not random, they are pointing out your behaviour. Anybody can do it. Several people have indicated they all see this behaviour in you. Some are interpreting your motives behind it as more innocent. Acting like I am exclusively the one finding exception to your play helps you because if I am driving the wagon on you, and you can find a way to undermine me, then you potentially undermine others too. And that is a furry way to go about addressing accusations against you.
Magorian Aximand 说:
That is worrying. I hate wasting lynches on lurkers, but if Eli really is heading this way, maybe MaHuD can find a replacemelter for him. It's not ideal, but if it gets us a more active player then it would be better all around.
Agreed. Replacement is ideal.
If I cared more about proving myself right than playing the game, I'd self vote just to shatter Pizza's world. 
I found your big giant point by point response to my big giant post by post, Pharaoh.
Mind is turning to mush, I felt like mostly you were just explaining that you didn't agree or couldn't clear someone based on what I did.
But if I missed a question you really needed answered, lemme know.
Mind is turning to mush, I felt like mostly you were just explaining that you didn't agree or couldn't clear someone based on what I did.
But if I missed a question you really needed answered, lemme know.
Magorian Aximand 说:If I cared more about proving myself right than playing the game, I'd self vote just to shatter Pizza's world.
Why would you ever do this instead of lynching your wolfy accuser?
It's almost like you know I'm a villager, again.
I know this much, when I make a giant ass post saying how wolfy someone is, I don't even joke about self-voting just to prove them wrong about their suspicions against me.
That's more like the kind of bass-ackwards thinking process that comes from, like, wolves. N' stuff.
Just.... Saiyan.
That's more like the kind of bass-ackwards thinking process that comes from, like, wolves. N' stuff.
Just.... Saiyan.
@Pizzaguy
You have answered the only real question I had, about how the hell you got an innocent special read on Eli.
The rest of it was me responding to your post to show that I was at least reading it and trying to understand it even if I couldn't follow where you were going with it.
Now you know where I stand and the reasons why.
You have answered the only real question I had, about how the hell you got an innocent special read on Eli.
The rest of it was me responding to your post to show that I was at least reading it and trying to understand it even if I couldn't follow where you were going with it.
Now you know where I stand and the reasons why.
Pharaoh X Llandy 说:
I did?
I must be tired, I can't remember doing that.
Oh ok found it.
Game is starting to blur together. I probably shouldn't move around too much.
If wrong on Xardog, who do I insert as mad wolf number 3?
Game is starting to blur together. I probably shouldn't move around too much.
If wrong on Xardog, who do I insert as mad wolf number 3?
Llandy time:
There's three important points to this conversation that I'd like to keep clear.
1) Am I guilty of hiding behind Neoxardobism to avoid answering questions?
2) Is it possible that my response could have been viewed as avoiding answering questions?
3) Is Pizza's actual behavior more relatable or excusable in light of the answer to question 2?
These are separate subjects, and each is worth exploring. I don't want any to fall by the wayside. So:
1) Am I guilty of hiding behind Neoxardobism to avoid answering questions? I think we can now clearly agree that the answer to this question is no. You expressed relief that I'm "not actually playing neoxardob style", and I'm pretty sure that means you understand that I'm not going to be avoiding anything. Coupled with the revelation that I was being humorous, this should be clear. Can we agree that I can't be reasonably accused of this?
2) Is it possible that my response could have been viewed as avoiding answering questions? Well, rather clearly yes. Because you did read it that way. QED. It's possible, but I have to maintain that I don't think it rather reasonable. Yes, the part of the post where I said that I didn't have time and would WoT soon was in response to Soot, but it has to be remembered that Soot was inquiring about one of the very one liners Pizza was seeking explanation for. If I'm answering Soot, I'm answering Pizza. And if I don't have time to answer Soot, I don't have time to answer Pizza. I would have hoped "my cheesy friend" conveyed humor, but I guess a smiley could have been added. In any case, the mythbusters can stamp this one plausible, but I sincerely hope my post is better understood now.
3) Is Pizza's actual behavior more relatable or excusable in light of the answer to question 2? Well, if Pizza's behavior was reducible to a reciprocal attitude to answering specific questions asked by me, then that would be a yes. But that's why I've made sure to include the word "actual" in that question. Because his behavior does not reflect that at all. He's not just refusing to answer my questions, and he's not just considering arguments against him to be wolfy and not worth his time. And he's not just doing this to me. This behavior predates my post that we've looked at here.
Pizza has outright claimed that my counterarguments don't even exist. Is that the same thing as not answering questions? When I implored him to read just a portion of my LoS after a brief explanation to demonstrate that I did provide reasons for my more innocent reads, I was completely ignored. Is that avoiding wolfy accusations? That's not even an accusation. That's an attempt at clarification.
And as I've mentioned, I'm not alone in this. The other player Pizza has placed a moratorium on interaction with is Face, and the reason why is very important. Sure, he doesn't want to beat his head against the wall, but can you remember the initial reason he gave? He asked Face to literally forget that half the game happened, and when Face refused, Pizza cut off all communication. Pizza maintains to this day that it is Face's fault that he's not responded to. How absurd is that? And how can I be held responsible for this behavior? Clearly, this isn't the result of a lone misunderstood comment.
Taking a look at your Soot case now.
Pharaoh X Llandy 说:
There's three important points to this conversation that I'd like to keep clear.
1) Am I guilty of hiding behind Neoxardobism to avoid answering questions?
2) Is it possible that my response could have been viewed as avoiding answering questions?
3) Is Pizza's actual behavior more relatable or excusable in light of the answer to question 2?
These are separate subjects, and each is worth exploring. I don't want any to fall by the wayside. So:
1) Am I guilty of hiding behind Neoxardobism to avoid answering questions? I think we can now clearly agree that the answer to this question is no. You expressed relief that I'm "not actually playing neoxardob style", and I'm pretty sure that means you understand that I'm not going to be avoiding anything. Coupled with the revelation that I was being humorous, this should be clear. Can we agree that I can't be reasonably accused of this?
2) Is it possible that my response could have been viewed as avoiding answering questions? Well, rather clearly yes. Because you did read it that way. QED. It's possible, but I have to maintain that I don't think it rather reasonable. Yes, the part of the post where I said that I didn't have time and would WoT soon was in response to Soot, but it has to be remembered that Soot was inquiring about one of the very one liners Pizza was seeking explanation for. If I'm answering Soot, I'm answering Pizza. And if I don't have time to answer Soot, I don't have time to answer Pizza. I would have hoped "my cheesy friend" conveyed humor, but I guess a smiley could have been added. In any case, the mythbusters can stamp this one plausible, but I sincerely hope my post is better understood now.
3) Is Pizza's actual behavior more relatable or excusable in light of the answer to question 2? Well, if Pizza's behavior was reducible to a reciprocal attitude to answering specific questions asked by me, then that would be a yes. But that's why I've made sure to include the word "actual" in that question. Because his behavior does not reflect that at all. He's not just refusing to answer my questions, and he's not just considering arguments against him to be wolfy and not worth his time. And he's not just doing this to me. This behavior predates my post that we've looked at here.
Pizza has outright claimed that my counterarguments don't even exist. Is that the same thing as not answering questions? When I implored him to read just a portion of my LoS after a brief explanation to demonstrate that I did provide reasons for my more innocent reads, I was completely ignored. Is that avoiding wolfy accusations? That's not even an accusation. That's an attempt at clarification.
And as I've mentioned, I'm not alone in this. The other player Pizza has placed a moratorium on interaction with is Face, and the reason why is very important. Sure, he doesn't want to beat his head against the wall, but can you remember the initial reason he gave? He asked Face to literally forget that half the game happened, and when Face refused, Pizza cut off all communication. Pizza maintains to this day that it is Face's fault that he's not responded to. How absurd is that? And how can I be held responsible for this behavior? Clearly, this isn't the result of a lone misunderstood comment.
Taking a look at your Soot case now.
Askthepizzaguy 说:
@Pizzaguy
Despite what you think about him, Eli is probably the best bet for your third wolf in the Soot/Mag pack scenario.
Eli's wishy-washy post that several people took exception to MAY have been innocent trying to get back into the game after long absence, and I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and see if he could provide some decent contributions to better judge him. Since then he's done very little, and the very little he's done has been to sit on the fence on you by comparing you to Whoopin, and I don't even remember his comments about anyone else. He's had plenty of opportunity to change my mind but failed. You don't have to be super active to provide a bit of hunting or a solid opinion on something (see Vieira, Frisian) but Eli has failed to do even that.
It would also explain Soot backing off Mag for his post where he criticised early and Soot's approval for lynching Eli - a flagging packmate is an easy bus to earn you some villager points.
I'm not sold on Mag being a wolf at the moment though. Despite my objections to some of his posts, he's made some astute observations, he has what I consider an innocent stance re: Hawk and I thought the point he made about you via me was a good one. Would rather adopt a wait and see approach with Mag, even if it would be very amusing to make him eat his words.
Despite what you think about him, Eli is probably the best bet for your third wolf in the Soot/Mag pack scenario.
Eli's wishy-washy post that several people took exception to MAY have been innocent trying to get back into the game after long absence, and I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and see if he could provide some decent contributions to better judge him. Since then he's done very little, and the very little he's done has been to sit on the fence on you by comparing you to Whoopin, and I don't even remember his comments about anyone else. He's had plenty of opportunity to change my mind but failed. You don't have to be super active to provide a bit of hunting or a solid opinion on something (see Vieira, Frisian) but Eli has failed to do even that.
It would also explain Soot backing off Mag for his post where he criticised early and Soot's approval for lynching Eli - a flagging packmate is an easy bus to earn you some villager points.
I'm not sold on Mag being a wolf at the moment though. Despite my objections to some of his posts, he's made some astute observations, he has what I consider an innocent stance re: Hawk and I thought the point he made about you via me was a good one. Would rather adopt a wait and see approach with Mag, even if it would be very amusing to make him eat his words.
I did plenty of word eating in Grimmend's game. I need no more. 
At least that one had a happy ending.
At least that one had a happy ending.
Pharaoh X Llandy 说:
Can a wolf not make "astute observations"?
Can a wolf not make the point he made Re: Me via You?
You're letting him get away with bloody murder in the game because he's a gentleman wolf and he sounds reasonable.
Don't let your personal like of Magorian's style cloud your judgment. He's always a wolf this game.
I am willing to be a good villager and not tunnel.
That does not mean I'm letting go of a wolf. I am simply being a team player by supporting you, P.
You always should lynch Magorian with me or others later on this game. Sold or not sold.
That does not mean I'm letting go of a wolf. I am simply being a team player by supporting you, P.
You always should lynch Magorian with me or others later on this game. Sold or not sold.
@Pizzaguy
You misunderstand. I do not like Mag's style. His take on Neoxardobism was a pointless distraction to me. His usual style is to beat people to death with logic, often using big WoTs, which is at least slightly preferable even if it's tiresome to read.
But I like some of the points Mag has made regardless of his style. For example, using me to prove a point against you was a far more effective way of getting me to understand his position than putting out yet another WoT.
You misunderstand. I do not like Mag's style. His take on Neoxardobism was a pointless distraction to me. His usual style is to beat people to death with logic, often using big WoTs, which is at least slightly preferable even if it's tiresome to read.
But I like some of the points Mag has made regardless of his style. For example, using me to prove a point against you was a far more effective way of getting me to understand his position than putting out yet another WoT.
