[Werewolf] SMAC: Unity [Game ends!]

[FrisianDude]

I'll be interacting a lot less with Mags and Phone, feel like one is a wolf and the other won't actually be useful to interact with on both of our ends.

Good call.

Good, I was just about to @You and Hawk to ask if you could give some idea at who you're looking to lynch. I'd like to see where your suspicions are falling right now, and why.

Question still applies. To both.

Heeeere comes the answer; a wolf. (sad trumpets). I just don't quite know who yet. Like Pizzaguy suggested I do have a 'stone cold mortal lock as a villager'. It's not quite Phonemelter though I think Xardob makes a decent point about the Pizzaphone war in that Phone would be less inclined to do something like that as a wolf. Hardly conclusive though, but I'll take it for now.

And yeah I realize the obvious kick-open-door answer of "I'm hunting for a wolf!" is about as villagery as continuously saying "I'm a villager!", but it is what it is.

I'll let our audience decide. I don't think I'm a impartial judge.

Audience is not amused. 

what do you keep DOING here. Go away shoo

The outright refusal to answer questions or address concerns posted by 20% of the players in the game is baffling to me.

I took 'interacting less' not as outright refusal but more as a 'uh yeah these quote wars aint going anywhere'. The pizzaphone quotewar certainly didn't seem to aaaand you, as well as Hawk like you pointed out, certainly have a tendency to go into quote wars. Amusingly you said Xardob was trying to goad you into emotional responses, like you need any goading for that you silly you, you.

 

[Magorian Aximand]

But Pizza has refused outright to answer Phone's questions, and has ignored every counterargument I've made (even going so far as to pretend they don't even exist) and then, after all of that, has said he'll interact even less. That's just an excuse to avoid addressing the issue, just like the one he made earlier with Phone (which he blamed on Phone).

 

[Phonemelter]

For Fris:

Questions were asked of me by a number of folks. Quite honestly I feel like anything I say is going to be wasted energy at this point.

I don't feel like the answers to those questions will help anyone read me or solve the game, so I'll just be going through the motions at this point.

Which question did I not answer?

 

[Phonemelter]

By the way, Pizzadude, I can't help but keep pointing these things out this game. Chances are once this game is said and done and I have some meta to go off of by how you argue I will look past these things, but it is unavoidable for me right now because of how fun it is. 

 

[Magorian Aximand]

@Maggie:

Going back a bit back for this one -

The Mag lynch won't happen today.

Why did you think this at the time? There certainly were close to enough people to found you suspicious from the looks of it - how could you be so sure?

Also, your past 50 or so posts have just been going back and forth with Pizza. As fine as I am with that in itself, there has not been much else you have given input on since your LoS on page 25 - have any of your suspicions / thoughts on anyone changed since then?

Speaking of missed questions...

I was confident that I would not be lynched because I never have been lynched on day one, and the majority of people who expressed suspicion of me did so with reservation. With time and enough posts, I was sure that their suspicion would take a back seat to that of another player. Essentially, it was (is) confidence in my own play and doubt about the quality of the arguments presented by my most vocal detractor.

Most of my suspicions have stayed largely constant, though I'm tiring of waiting for Hawk and Kronic to show up and do something so that I can better judge their play. Frisian's LoS sadly runs rather counter to my initial read of him, and most of his posts have amounted to non-comments, so that hasn't helped him in my mind.

That answer those questions for you?

 

[Vieira151]

... what? Did you post the wrong link?

If not, did you read the section where I analyzed that post in my recent WoT?

How recent? Anything in the last 10 pages is hazy in memory still, which is why I'm currently doing this full readthrough.

 

[FrisianDude]

For Fris:

Questions were asked of me by a number of folks. Quite honestly I feel like anything I say is going to be wasted energy at this point.

I don't feel like the answers to those questions will help anyone read me or solve the game, so I'll just be going through the motions at this point.

Which question did I not answer?

doesn't the underlined rather supports that he's not gonna answer because quote wars?

 

[Magorian Aximand]

... what? Did you post the wrong link?

If not, did you read the section where I analyzed that post in my recent WoT?

How recent? Anything in the last 10 pages is hazy in memory still, which is why I'm currently doing this full readthrough.

Very recent, so that would be why it's not at the top of your mind. But did you link to the correct post? Because I don't know how the post you linked to (the same one Xardob asked your opinion on) relates to Eli at all...

 

[Phonemelter]

doesn't the underlined rather supports that he's not gonna answer because quote wars?

The point was he acknowledged there were unanswered questions, but then seemingly denied it. 

 

[Vieira151]

Soot's LoS

Soot's LoS here seems to play both sides of the argument developing between pizza and Face, with him getting "innocent vibes" from both of the participants (one of which, pizza, I find decidedly suspicious, but that is material for a more substantial post) and generally being noncommittal on anyone being wolfish save for Vieira and maybe Llandy, with some complaints regarding Magorian's posting style, which are then invalidated by a further post:

Mag's new post seems more legit to me.

Adaham's posts are much less interesting to read when they are filled with tiny quotes.

Both of the above apply to Llandy.

I'm actually not getting a particularly innocent vibe from Adaham yet, and I do feel like the focus on wolf hunting is missing this time around. Don't know if it's because he actually is hard to get a read on without knowing his role beforehand, or if he's actually scum.

In which suspicion is now shifted onto Adaham. While there's some merit to the case against Adaham (and once more, that is material for a LoS of my own), in combination with the original LoS this just comes across as him covering all the bases so that his bandwagoning on a potential innocent lynch will have some background to it. Moreover, Soot seems to be content with contributing only these little jabs thus far, shoring up his own veneer of innocence while letting others do the "hunting" for him. It seems decidedly suspicious to me and I'd caution people to watch further input.

First underline: He indicates that one of the people Soot finds innocent, he finds suspicious.
Second underline: He indicates that one of the people Soot finds suspicious, he also finds suspicious (though it's more ambiguous than I thought).
Third underline: Is what I feel Hawk just did.

If Hawk is a wolf, it gives him flexibility. Perhaps backdoor wasn't the correct term, but I feel he is giving himself options should situations change (which I feel is similar to leaving the backdoor open, so to speak). It's not a convincing case on Soot (though it does bring up one point I felt has merit that I've had a look into further - that Soot had been noncommittal) and this contributes towards it.

If Soot died (or dies) for whatever reason then Hawk can use either of the first two underlined points to explain whatever position he chooses. Both scenarios below are if Hawk is a wolf. If he is innocent, then it can be chalked down to uncertainty (I can't see another reason, though I'm open to suggestions).

Soot Wolf: For a start, he has the case here to use as defense. And the fact that the two disagreed on one of the people provides ammunition for distancing.
Soot Town: He can use the fact that they agreed on a person (or people) as a means of arguing that he was ultimately unsure of Soot's apparent wolfishness.

I mean, there are probably more ways he could twist it too, which is where I feel Xardob was coming from when he implied Hawk was covering all the bases. And Hawk wouldn't be entirely dishonest in either scenario, because he allowed himself those options.

What I'm saying isn't 100% in my brain because Hawk's ambiguity regarding Adaham has casts doubts on me, but, unless someone can convince me otherwise, it's enough for me to read it how I do.

@Vieira - I know you've got a lot of catching up to do, but are you onboard with this?

Onboard with... what in particular? A boat? Nah, not on the boat. 

 

[Phonemelter]

That answer those questions for you?

Yes. Now I just need to think about how I feel about it. 

 

[Magorian Aximand]

But you also made a good point here that I've been thinking about when reading VH. I do consider what you pointed out to be scummy, especially considering that seems to be the main case against Eli today (unless something has happened I've missed, so hopefully if that's the case I'll pick up on it this reread), and that post reads moderately wolfish (only moderate because I agreed with some of the points he raises about Soot).

That's what Eli has to do with anything.

And you need to get to that part in my WoT where I speak about this post.

That answer those questions for you?

Yes. Now I just need to think about how I feel about it. 

Content, satisfied, ... perhaps even fruity?

 

[Magorian Aximand]

For Fris:

Questions were asked of me by a number of folks. Quite honestly I feel like anything I say is going to be wasted energy at this point.

I don't feel like the answers to those questions will help anyone read me or solve the game, so I'll just be going through the motions at this point.

Which question did I not answer?

doesn't the underlined rather supports that he's not gonna answer because quote wars?

A few problems: "A number of folks" is more people than just myself and Phone. And that's not either of the reasons he gave to ignore Phone initially and myself subsequently. Like I already mentioned.

 

[Phonemelter]

I think everyone should, if they feel comfortable, nail down one villager. Especially out of the folks that posted enough of their brainwave that they should be readable by now.

On a scale of 1-5, going from "100% would not lynch to 100% would lynch" at this current time:

1 - Soot, Xardob (inclined to think these guys are innocent)
2 - Frisian, Vieira (not enough on these two yet, but I am feeling okay with them)
3 - Hawk, Magorian (mixed feelings about these two right now)
4 - Adaham, Llandy (these two have not been giving me the same vibes I would expect to feel from them - Llandy before Adaham though)
5 - Kronic, Pizzadude (you know the drill)

 

[Magorian Aximand]

Woo, our 5s line up. But I have to ask, have you given some thought about my post regarding Xardob?

 

[Xardob]

I'm having a hilarious thought about your read on me. Yours and Adaham's. I'll share it once I get home. But maybe we should get Ej over here just to see if he reads me as a wolf too.

 

[Phonemelter]

I have, but I do not think it is enough for me to be convinced. The first point I think is rather minor, but the second one is interesting.

 

[Magorian Aximand]

I have, but I do not think it is enough for me to be convinced. The first point I think is rather minor, but the second one is interesting.

Convinced, obviously not. Doubt about the quality of day one reads is precisely why I'm unwilling to lynch him any day one ever. But you have him listed as innocent.

And which first point? Just the flop, or the whole section on fabrication? Are you interested by the comment about Hawk, or the possible packmate behavior with Kronic? Why is the first point minor?

 

[Phonemelter]

The Hawk comment.

First point seems minor because even if there was a flip, it didn't look like he ever intended to push for me being wolfy or think of it as anything important to consider.

 

[Magorian Aximand]

The Hawk comment.

Good to know.

First point seems minor because even if there was a flip, it didn't look like he ever intended to push for me being wolfy or think of it as anything important to consider.

That's why it appears to me to be something left to be referenced later, if convenient. It's very clearly not an attack now, because it's never followed or pursued. But down the road? "Oh hey guys, look at how Phone behaved like wolfy me multiple times on day one. Isn't that interesting?" And it begs the question, if it wasn't anything important to consider, why post it at all? This is the "meaningless comment vs fabrication of a pattern" section of the post.