[Werewolf] SMAC: Unity [Game ends!]
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Just sayin' that based on my experiences with her, this post means little to nothing with her. Mind you, I also read her as an innocent, but that last post is something she's perfectly capable of pulling off as a wolf as much as a villager.Askthepizzaguy 说:
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In-post: Damnit Soot!
Pretty sure you guys just both spewed yourselves villager for having a mind-meld that epic and crossposting that close together.
So can we lynch a wolf now, or.... like, what do you wanna do instead of that. I vote we lynch a wolf, I'm just saying it's probably better for village than a villager lynch.
So can we lynch a wolf now, or.... like, what do you wanna do instead of that. I vote we lynch a wolf, I'm just saying it's probably better for village than a villager lynch.
If you're worried about Magorian somehow not being a wolf today, how about we join Magorian in lynching his own suspect, Hawk, who he has tried (read: not really) to get lynched today anyway.
Surely the three of us and Villager!Magorian (lel) can lynch a wolf today if we all join hands and sing kumbaya like a bunch of saps.
Surely the three of us and Villager!Magorian (lel) can lynch a wolf today if we all join hands and sing kumbaya like a bunch of saps.
I'd go for the greater information lynch, since a Wolf!Magorian lynch would spew half the game villager at this point.
But, I'm also quite willing to call his bluff and lynch his scare quotes suspect scare quotes and spew him scare quotes villager scare quotes if Hawk flips wolf.
And even if I'm wrong about Magorian, if I'm right about Hawk, then dead wolf today anyway. So I'd have kind of an epic day one even if there's only 1 wolf contained within the Magorian/Hawk duo, which I doubt at this point, given the list of villagers I have which is increasing in length and strength of read.
But, I'm also quite willing to call his bluff and lynch his scare quotes suspect scare quotes and spew him scare quotes villager scare quotes if Hawk flips wolf.
And even if I'm wrong about Magorian, if I'm right about Hawk, then dead wolf today anyway. So I'd have kind of an epic day one even if there's only 1 wolf contained within the Magorian/Hawk duo, which I doubt at this point, given the list of villagers I have which is increasing in length and strength of read.
I agree the picture is clearing up (for day 1 standards, that is), but I'd rather wait and see what the third day of pizza-induced discussion brings, than locking things down to 1 or 2 people already.
Especially I want to see more posting from Hawk and the book of Eli.
BTW, my previously announced leave on saturday will kick in pretty soon. So don't spam too much, m'kay?
Especially I want to see more posting from Hawk and the book of Eli.
BTW, my previously announced leave on saturday will kick in pretty soon. So don't spam too much, m'kay?
Adaham 说:
I can say this: If village somehow doesn't grow weary of my posting/wolf-hunting style, and helps me fill in the gaps in my own understanding of the people here, we're on track to have a pretty villager-controlled game. Which is really bad news for the wolves.
Champs game featured a metric ton of villager posts, and while our wolf reads weren't always great, our villager reads were pretty strong and pretty much locked the game.
This is shaping up to be that. Frankly we're finding all the wolves even if I swung at Magorian/Hawk and missed twice, because there's not that many places left to hide after that.
Phonemelter sitting there shaking his head about how I just straight denied him. Hahahahahaha.
I am feeling far less irritated right now. Tell you what, Phone. I will, once again, for some reason, extend an offer of working together closely and answering your questions. All of them.
All you have to do is accept. It's just that blatantly simple. Not go "nuh uh, I won't make any deals" like a stubborn mule.
I understand stubborn mules. But, you gotta lighten up or else it's just going to be me excluding you from my interactions. Crystal goblet clear, or do you want me to go back to iggy mode?
I am feeling far less irritated right now. Tell you what, Phone. I will, once again, for some reason, extend an offer of working together closely and answering your questions. All of them.
All you have to do is accept. It's just that blatantly simple. Not go "nuh uh, I won't make any deals" like a stubborn mule.
I understand stubborn mules. But, you gotta lighten up or else it's just going to be me excluding you from my interactions. Crystal goblet clear, or do you want me to go back to iggy mode?
That's what we've got you for, don't we?Xardob 说:
To add to the "Xardob is off"-saga...even though he's Mr. I-don't-give-a-****, he did change again after I pointed out what I found suspicious again. Now it seems like he's consciously trying to be insane-dob again.
None of that would be odd, weren't it for the fact it all comes across as purely reactionary behavior. And THAT is what strikes me as the most off with him.
Adaham 说:
That is an excellent point.
Examined universes:
Universe where Phonemelter is a wolf, Vieira and Soot looking strange to me:
Pretty much tossed out.
Universe where Magorian Aximand is a wolf, and Hawk is likely a wolf:
Current idea.
Universe where Magorian is a wolf, and Xardob is also a wolf:
Rising.
Universe where Magorian is a villager and Xardob is a wolf:
Bleh, I've had a bad day One. Well at least the other villagers are having a better day one.
Universe where Phonemelter is a wolf, Vieira and Soot looking strange to me:
Pretty much tossed out.
Universe where Magorian Aximand is a wolf, and Hawk is likely a wolf:
Current idea.
Universe where Magorian is a wolf, and Xardob is also a wolf:
Rising.
Universe where Magorian is a villager and Xardob is a wolf:
Bleh, I've had a bad day One. Well at least the other villagers are having a better day one.
I probably don't get to Universe 4 today but at least it is in my brain as a possibility now.
Adaham
A lot more banter from Adaham in this game than the last, which I approve of, because it makes him more relatable to me. His first few posts don’t give me any indication of his alignment, because he seems to be in ‘welcome’ mode for Pizzaguy which I suspect he would do regardless of whether innocent or scum. The first post I really like is here, where he does not let Pizzaguy’s enthusiasm carry his own suspicions on Melter, but instead takes a step back and explains why he’s not making a snap judgment.
Some back and forth with Soot appears in his next post, which I believe is paranoia stemming from Soot’s buddying behaviour towards him in the past two games. I can’t really blame Adaham for that paranoia, though, because it’s similar (albeit for different reasons) to the paranoia I have towards Soot, too. I’m not sure yet whether this might cause bias in Adaham’s suspicion of Soot, but will have to continue watching their interactions. I have learnt, however, that ‘player is trying to buddy up to me’ can be a very personal feeling that those external to the event don’t always recognise.
I get the same vibe from Adaham’s post here as I got from FrisianDude; he attempts to move the topic of conversation along by getting Pizza to look at other players, and also includes a slight admonishment for Pizza that right now he’s ‘not being very helpful’. And again, as with Frisian, I think a wolf would benefit more from encouraging the Pizza/Melter war instead of trying to halt it. He further encourages Pizza to pursue other targets here. The very paranoid, WIFOM-drinking part of my mind could see this as one packmate advising another not to go too far and start looking for other targets, but I’m not getting any sort of packmate feel between Adaham and Pizza, so I think this a case of Adaham genuinely trying to advise a new player (to our forum) on how best to help the hunt.
Not long after, Adaham starts to pick up some suspicion of Xardob. He also says here that he thinks Xardob is a wolf, and the feeling I get is that Xardob’s offer to “team play” and to do so with different/opposing parties whilst simultaneously ‘buddying’ with Adaham, is setting off Adaham’s paranoia alarm. Adaham says that in Xardob’s contributory posts he doesn’t seem to be going after anybody very much, but I’ll have to re-read Xardob’s longer posts and decide whether I agree with that later.
Another innocent-feel post from Adaham is here where he explains to Pizza that his Soot/Xardob voting preference is based heavily off meta, and questions Pizza’s flip on Magorian. He follows this up in this post with a decent explanation on his Soot/Xardob suspicions, which helps me to understand his thought process especially in relation to Soot.
Overall, I get a stronger innocent vibe from Adaham than I do from Frisian, which I think is in part due to his more outgoing and chatty style in this game. To me, this feels like natural Adaham, and the way he has tried to make Pizza feel welcome without actually coddling him, or giving him a free pass, gives me a good feeling.
Vieira
After what feels like a bit of a wobbly start, Vieira has really started to pick up his game and make what I feel are some solid contributions. The fact that he doesn’t go to pieces under Pizza’s questioning about the mis-capitalisation of Hawk’s name in the OP gives me a more innocent than wolfy vibe. Vieira sticks to his guns, reiterating his stance on the matter whilst not focusing solely on defending himself, which also gives me a good feeling about him.
This post in particular I like, it shows Vieira questioning Pizza on some of his reads, which shows me that he’s trying to to keep an open mind and understand Pizza’s point of view. He has some criticisms of both Melter and Pizza in this post, and they are criticisms which I agree with. He echoes Adaham’s previous criticism, and says that the feeling he gets from Pizza is that he wants to sit back and rest on his laurels after catching a wolf (Melter). Whilst I don’t agree or disagree with that assessment, I can see where Vieira is coming from with it. He further gives me good vibes by picking up on something relating to Soot which I consider scum-Soot behaviour, that is, lumping together people in a pack in a pointless and unnatural way. But I’ll go into that more on my section with Soot.
Vieira’s LoS is at first glance quite basic, but some of the phrases he uses (“Starts off reasonable… but on further reading…” for example) indicate to me that Vieira is looking at what the other players say multiple times, which shows that he’s at least paying attention and coupled with his questioning of Pizza described above, I think shows that at this point he is still trying to keep an open mind. Even though his LoS is quite short it has a ‘natural’ feel to it, as if he just wrote down and highly summarised his thoughts. I don’t get any feeling of ‘leaving doors open’ for himself to escape and switch his vote.
I think one of the things that gives me an innocent vibe from Vieira overall is the fact that most of his posts come across as unfiltered. For example, several contain minor contradictions and other small errors which Vieira has admitted are often due to lack of proof-reading. It would be so easy for him to proof-read and remove those errors before posting, and I think if he were a wolf then he would make more of an effort to avoid those errors and avoid drawing such attention to himself. My experience of Vieira is that when he’s got attention on him as a wolf, he tends to be flummoxed more easily. Therefore, the slips he’s made so far, I feel, actually speak in his favour.
Sorry it took so long to resume this, I had a headache so went for a nap after I started. Will try to continue with everyone else over the next few hours. Time to make myself the strongest coffee imaginable.
A lot more banter from Adaham in this game than the last, which I approve of, because it makes him more relatable to me. His first few posts don’t give me any indication of his alignment, because he seems to be in ‘welcome’ mode for Pizzaguy which I suspect he would do regardless of whether innocent or scum. The first post I really like is here, where he does not let Pizzaguy’s enthusiasm carry his own suspicions on Melter, but instead takes a step back and explains why he’s not making a snap judgment.
Some back and forth with Soot appears in his next post, which I believe is paranoia stemming from Soot’s buddying behaviour towards him in the past two games. I can’t really blame Adaham for that paranoia, though, because it’s similar (albeit for different reasons) to the paranoia I have towards Soot, too. I’m not sure yet whether this might cause bias in Adaham’s suspicion of Soot, but will have to continue watching their interactions. I have learnt, however, that ‘player is trying to buddy up to me’ can be a very personal feeling that those external to the event don’t always recognise.
I get the same vibe from Adaham’s post here as I got from FrisianDude; he attempts to move the topic of conversation along by getting Pizza to look at other players, and also includes a slight admonishment for Pizza that right now he’s ‘not being very helpful’. And again, as with Frisian, I think a wolf would benefit more from encouraging the Pizza/Melter war instead of trying to halt it. He further encourages Pizza to pursue other targets here. The very paranoid, WIFOM-drinking part of my mind could see this as one packmate advising another not to go too far and start looking for other targets, but I’m not getting any sort of packmate feel between Adaham and Pizza, so I think this a case of Adaham genuinely trying to advise a new player (to our forum) on how best to help the hunt.
Not long after, Adaham starts to pick up some suspicion of Xardob. He also says here that he thinks Xardob is a wolf, and the feeling I get is that Xardob’s offer to “team play” and to do so with different/opposing parties whilst simultaneously ‘buddying’ with Adaham, is setting off Adaham’s paranoia alarm. Adaham says that in Xardob’s contributory posts he doesn’t seem to be going after anybody very much, but I’ll have to re-read Xardob’s longer posts and decide whether I agree with that later.
Another innocent-feel post from Adaham is here where he explains to Pizza that his Soot/Xardob voting preference is based heavily off meta, and questions Pizza’s flip on Magorian. He follows this up in this post with a decent explanation on his Soot/Xardob suspicions, which helps me to understand his thought process especially in relation to Soot.
Overall, I get a stronger innocent vibe from Adaham than I do from Frisian, which I think is in part due to his more outgoing and chatty style in this game. To me, this feels like natural Adaham, and the way he has tried to make Pizza feel welcome without actually coddling him, or giving him a free pass, gives me a good feeling.
Vieira
After what feels like a bit of a wobbly start, Vieira has really started to pick up his game and make what I feel are some solid contributions. The fact that he doesn’t go to pieces under Pizza’s questioning about the mis-capitalisation of Hawk’s name in the OP gives me a more innocent than wolfy vibe. Vieira sticks to his guns, reiterating his stance on the matter whilst not focusing solely on defending himself, which also gives me a good feeling about him.
This post in particular I like, it shows Vieira questioning Pizza on some of his reads, which shows me that he’s trying to to keep an open mind and understand Pizza’s point of view. He has some criticisms of both Melter and Pizza in this post, and they are criticisms which I agree with. He echoes Adaham’s previous criticism, and says that the feeling he gets from Pizza is that he wants to sit back and rest on his laurels after catching a wolf (Melter). Whilst I don’t agree or disagree with that assessment, I can see where Vieira is coming from with it. He further gives me good vibes by picking up on something relating to Soot which I consider scum-Soot behaviour, that is, lumping together people in a pack in a pointless and unnatural way. But I’ll go into that more on my section with Soot.
Vieira’s LoS is at first glance quite basic, but some of the phrases he uses (“Starts off reasonable… but on further reading…” for example) indicate to me that Vieira is looking at what the other players say multiple times, which shows that he’s at least paying attention and coupled with his questioning of Pizza described above, I think shows that at this point he is still trying to keep an open mind. Even though his LoS is quite short it has a ‘natural’ feel to it, as if he just wrote down and highly summarised his thoughts. I don’t get any feeling of ‘leaving doors open’ for himself to escape and switch his vote.
I think one of the things that gives me an innocent vibe from Vieira overall is the fact that most of his posts come across as unfiltered. For example, several contain minor contradictions and other small errors which Vieira has admitted are often due to lack of proof-reading. It would be so easy for him to proof-read and remove those errors before posting, and I think if he were a wolf then he would make more of an effort to avoid those errors and avoid drawing such attention to himself. My experience of Vieira is that when he’s got attention on him as a wolf, he tends to be flummoxed more easily. Therefore, the slips he’s made so far, I feel, actually speak in his favour.
Sorry it took so long to resume this, I had a headache so went for a nap after I started. Will try to continue with everyone else over the next few hours. Time to make myself the strongest coffee imaginable.
I'm fallin asleep here so I'm also taking a nap before I continue on with page 2. Too much to do today and even one page of this game takes considerably lengthy unbroken concentration to do a proper analysis on.
Yo Pizza, while I admire and respect your dedication, don't you think you're taking it a bit too far by analyzing the game page by page? I mean, I don't know what's your idea of a fun time, but I think this should still be remotely fun and to me the process you embarked upon sounds like a real chore.
Adaham 说:
Hahahahaha.... you don't know me yet, do you Adaham?
That is the part of the game that is the fun time. I sign up to play so I can hunt wolves with a fine tooth comb. I can banter and tell penis jokes during and between games, but I play to find villagers and lynch wolves. Some people say I take things too far, but I say I'm taking things not too far enough!
It's a team game of sorts, but really, it's actually a game where Askthepizzaguy sits here with a blank notepad and stares at the screen until the game is solved. That's the game. I thoroughly enjoy that game.
I just had to help a friend remove all kinds of nasty viruses from their computer and transfer a buttload of files, so I'm kind of spent at looking at a computer screen just now.
