[Werewolf] SMAC: Unity [Game ends!]

[Phonemelter]

You know, I don't think I have used the term "leaning" before this game - guess Pizzadude has rubbed of on me somewhat. 

 

[Adaham]

Leaning Wolf. That would be a good native American name. It can be Adaham's new mohican name.

My sisters beat you to that. My rl indian name (that they coined) is "Red-eyed Adaham". Yeah...it stems from my time in Amsterdam 

 

[FrisianDude]

@Frisian:

You have nobody that you think is leaning wolf?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯


That means not really, not yet.

 

[Adaham]

As cute as that may be, that's the reason why I'm always uneasy about you. You can pull this kind of stuff off until the very end.

Also, I wish I had gotten a dime for every time somebody called me "zany" or "odd". I guess, I should take it as a compliment 

BTW @ Llandy: I wasn't accusing you of having conversed in Spammaster and not need to get emotional about it. Spammaster was only an example to exhibit my line of thought. It was more a "rhetorical question without being a question". I know you play fair. And I'm certainly not hurt about you preferring whatever style. I just tried to make it clear, that I think there's no need and no reason to defend Xardob. My impression was mainly that you defended him because you liked this style of his better, which I find a weak reason...

Anyhow, let's not get emotional and into emotional blackmail. That applies to all of us. 

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Two quick comments since I'm still reading.

I don't see any actual arguments you've posted. I'm a villager, so, I have my reasons to do everything I've done all game long.

oooh that's actually dangerous grounds.

Refers to team, not role. I'm not claiming anything but being on team village. This had better be allowed here or else I'm pretty sure I can't play on such a forum with the 2+2-level of player entrapment via rulebook.

You clearly have a lot to say, so maybe just pursue other approaches in the meantime, while the less active players mull over your current finds. That said, I'm actually quite impressed by your recovery from tunneling on Face. If you are innocent, at least.

And I lied, this one's not quick but it's mostly irrelevant, therefore spoiler.

隐藏

Familiar territory. I used to be really bad at this. Then I had a bunch of really bad villager games where I pushed villagers until they got lynched and sometimes it took a while. Realized if I push hard on a villager and I do it long enough it results in bad blood between myself and the villager in question and eventually they just get tired of it and want to lynch me back, actual wolves let neither of us actually get lynched- then, later on, we absolutely cannot work together as villagers, one of us gets mislynched on a far more critical round than early on, and instead it happens late game.

So new policy became: If I think you're a wolf for two rounds or too many actual RL days and no one moves, guess what- if you're a wolf, postgame glory. I tried to convince. There's a point of no return where I absolutely have to move on or it is anti-village.

Then, new policy became greatness. I began hard pushing villagers, solving them as villagers, and moving on to the next target... until I found all the wolves. This happened in many games since the new policy.

To quote the Joker:

"In their.... last moments.... people show you who they really are." 

When you push and you push and you make it very clear you want to kill someone, and make every effort to make that happen, repeatedly, at length, and if it were possible to happen, it would have happened.... you've gained information about that person.

About everyone else's view about that person.

And, if they read like a villager, as you struggled to pull that noose shut around their necks... you can take a knife and cut the noose off of them, dust them off, shake hands, apologize, and look for an actual wolf to lynch. And then they're still alive, and so are you. And all of a sudden, a mislynch on this villager no longer seems possible.

If it could have happened, it would have happened already.

Then I began using my judgment- if I could read them villagery sooner, I'd relent sooner. But still gotta push people to death when they refuse to behave like villagers. So you can't forgive everything. I still mislynch of course, but... I mislynch a lot, lot less.

And then I find wolves because less rounds spent mislynching villagers and more villagers cleared means more time to find wolves and fewer spaces for them to hide in.

I think even ole Adaham has some experience with this, unfortunately. Welp, wolves had to kill him that game, didn't they? 

Better soaking up a murder than being my mislynch.

 

[FrisianDude]

oh yeah that's like not even a role claim. The dangerous thing is in repeating that you're innocent. Who does that but unsure newbies? Wolves.

 

[Xardob]

First I want to clear some misunderstandings. Then it's drinking time.

You, are a bit more complicated. Basically I already pointed earlier at you changing up your game because too many people adapted Neoxardobism and it wasn't fun for you anymore (or because you didn't feel special anymore?). Anyhow, suddenly you threaten us with WoT's and appear to be seemingly involved. Only that you aren't really, because I don't really see you going after anybody. With your shorter style, you're usually very straight forward and aggressive to a point, that is almost outrageous. Now you seem to care a lot more about how you're perceived.

I want to make it clear that there's no chance I'm going back to WoT's. This slight change in posting style has more to do with the activity of the game than my own preference. The aggression level is basically what Llandy explained, it's part of my ever changing play style.

And as flattered as I was about your offer to pick up our teamplay from Twilight Zone II (yeah, Whoopin...we loved that game!!!), as much did I feel that this was a weak attempt to gain my trust or to buddy up. Especially since you didn't really follow it up.

I think you're reading too much into that, and I didn't follow it up because I didn't have the chance yet. I was stuck at work until now.

And now you seem more focused on low blows against me, than actually hunting yourself. If you think my type of Neoxardobism isn't fully developed yet, you'd say that (as you did in earlier games where I used that style), but instead you've joined the cohorts of those that rather ridicule my contributions in general (even going as far as ridiculing my contributions in Cluedo, which is laughable since there isn't much that can be done right or wrong in Cluedo anyway).

I've taken low blows at you that were not jokes? Wasn't my intention. Even the Cluedo comment was a joke, referencing my jab at you not remembering the turn order and making fun of your memory over there.

There's something you need to understand about NeoXardobism, which certain people in this game are trying to practice. NeoXardobism does not really contain any villagery processes. It involves posting your suspicions but not really pushing for them, or elaborating on why those suspicions exist, but rather expecting people to acknowledge you are a good hunter and go do the homework for themselves and reach the same conclusions as you.

Small correction. All you've said is just a part of NeoXardobism. The main component is doing just whatever you think it's fun, without caring about winning the game. It's why some people have difficulties adapting at first.

 

[Adaham]

OK, no low blows. Jokes, but still...

...man, too intense this whole ****. Must---post---gif----to---compensate---

Phew...better...

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

oh yeah that's like not even a role claim. The dangerous thing is in repeating that you're innocent. Who does that but unsure newbies? Wolves.

Strange pizzamen.

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

 

[Xardob]

I think I should know where that last GIF comes from, but I can't remember right now.

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

I think I should know where that last GIF comes from, but I can't remember right now.

 

[Xardob]

Visceral reaction to such a taunt. Then I thought about it for more than a few seconds. I don't think the sudden spike in wolfiness overshadowed his villager game thusfar, so I calmed my tits a bit.

If I didn't already think you're innocent, that would have sealed the deal. Wolves don't have visceral reactions.

Xardob: He's not playing like Xardob. I'm far more miffed by his assessment of Kronic than his vote on me. That's the kind of "hunting without hunting" that Xardob should jump on. But instead he freaks out about Frisian being very Frisian about Pizza vs Phone? If you aren't convinced by my meta-view of innocent Xardob, take a look at this epic flip flop.

See, I told you it was a mistake to use meta on me. And there's no flip flop there. A villager can take a page out of my villain playbook just as easily as a wolf.

Your accusation left me very underwhelmed. So much so that I suspect it's honest. I was hoping for something with a little more meat.

Sorry Llandy, still not ringing any bells.

 

[Adaham]

Your accusation left me very underwhelmed. So much so that I suspect it's honest. I was hoping for something with a little more meat.

Like my case? 

 

[Xardob]

Yes, actually. Yours had some hope of being correct. Mag's is just poor all around.

Since you're here, should we lynch Hawk?

 

[Adaham]

Why is everybody on autopilot to lynch Hawk? I mean once he does the stuff he always does, fine, but right now I'd rather lynch Frisian for his "everybody-is-neutral"-LoS.

 

[Phonemelter]

Yeah, that's the problem with Hawk (and Kronic) right now - both have said things that I find highly problematic, but most players seeming to be on the same page is eyebrow-raising. I should probably look back at how they are divided.

 

[Xardob]

I'm fine with lynching Fris as well. I still need to read his LoS, but I somehow doubt that would change my mind.  But a Hawk lynch is traditional. I don't like braking traditions. If Rathyr was still playing, I'd probably be lynching him.

 

[Troll]

See, here's where I generally start thinking that Xardob has to be scum after all. Regardless of the fact that it's common for his village play as well.

 

[Xardob]

So my explanation for Magorian not getting as much **** for his style as I do, is the fact that he still has Kasparov doing an Al Pacino impression as his avatar.

That's because you were still on your break while Mag was usingthe doggy avatar. It was really difficult taking him seriously with a laughing dogf right next to his post.