[Werewolf] SMAC: Unity [Game ends!]

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SootShade 说:
While I don't really see what Pizza is talking about in Magorian's LoS,

He hedges his bets on most everyone, and does not push his wolves hard, has a lot of suspects, and has almost zero reasoning given all game why anyone is a villager. The one person I remember him giving any reasoning on is Phone.

My theory on wolf hunting is that wolves want to find reasons to suspect villagers, not reasons to clear them of suspicion.
 
SootShade 说:
While I don't really see what Pizza is talking about in Magorian's LoS, I have to say that Magorian immediately asking Face's opinion first alarmed my gut. Not sure I like his explanation either. At this point I feel like Face is the last person that will be able to give a useful opinion on what Pizza has said. It really seems more like a specific attempt to buddy up and look for support.

Heeeey buddy. Wanna support my wagon?

In all seriousness, I see where you're coming from, but Phone is already voting for Pizza. What more support could I get from him? I'm trying to check myself.

Askthepizzaguy 说:
Magorian Aximand 说:
How does this reasoning work anyway? You did claim I was a villager, not just not a suspect, and it was not hard for you to flip around on that.

Mostly because I had your wolfy behavior on full display, and painted an accurate picture of it.

You can't do that to a villager that is acting like a villager without some logical gymnastics. It's not hard to call a wolf a wolf in your case.

Of course I can. And you just demonstrated how. Because I'm a villager behaving like a villager. All you had to do was ignore my actual reasons and pretend I was doing something I wasn't.

Askthepizzaguy 说:
SootShade 说:
While I don't really see what Pizza is talking about in Magorian's LoS,

He hedges his bets on most everyone, and does not push his wolves hard, has a lot of suspects, and has almost zero reasoning given all game why anyone is a villager. The one person I remember him giving any reasoning on is Phone.

My theory on wolf hunting is that wolves want to find reasons to suspect villagers, not reasons to clear them of suspicion.

Covered this...
 
Defending Phone becomes his one alibi for pushing so many villagers- but I tried to stop the Phone mislynch on Day One! And of course, those pushing this obvious villager are wolfy. Also, these other 5 players are also wolfy. Reasons why anyone is a villager: What are those?
 
Xardob 说:
Adaham, I'm curious about that meta, if you want to explain it. I thought that if there was anyone who could meta read me, it would be you. Apparently, that's not the case.
Meta for Soot is simple (and more or less already explained by Vieira). After he decided to buddy up with me for his last two iterations, it was clear he had to change it up this time around. Last game he even said "I'm not expecting you to give me a free pass this time around", and he still screwed me. And since I came in directly voting him, he must have understood pretty early that I was not gonna let him slip past easily. So buddying up was not gonna cut it this time. So instead he took the most simple route of trying to discredit me and my style - since he actually liked the brevity, he now said I was less fun when having little quotes in between. The only other "reason" he gave to suspect me is the fact he thinks my performance is poor, or disappointing, or lacking, or not impressive, or whatever. As if he himself had been ****ting gold nuggets of wisdom. The contrary is the case, as some have pointed out already. He's on the fence ready to swing somewhere. To make it not all that obvious, he came up with a pack theory because he suddenly remembered that this is a thing he usually does and it would probably look like him if he did. His choices are all easy targets. Hawk, for obvious reasons. The second guy I forgot ( :razz: ) and while I'm not an easy target to lynch, I'm always an easy target to suspect without much reason. Because reason (to quote CinemaPizza).

You, are a bit more complicated. Basically I already pointed earlier at you changing up your game because too many people adapted Neoxardobism and it wasn't fun for you anymore (or because you didn't feel special anymore?). Anyhow, suddenly you threaten us with WoT's and appear to be seemingly involved. Only that you aren't really, because I don't really see you going after anybody. With your shorter style, you're usually very straight forward and aggressive to a point, that is almost outrageous. Now you seem to care a lot more about how you're perceived.

And as flattered as I was about your offer to pick up our teamplay from Twilight Zone II (yeah, Whoopin...we loved that game!!!), as much did I feel that this was a weak attempt to gain my trust or to buddy up. Especially since you didn't really follow it up. And now you seem more focused on low blows against me, than actually hunting yourself. If you think my type of Neoxardobism isn't fully developed yet, you'd say that (as you did in earlier games where I used that style), but instead you've joined the cohorts of those that rather ridicule my contributions in general (even going as far as ridiculing my contributions in Cluedo, which is laughable since there isn't much that can be done right or wrong in Cluedo anyway).

Taken all that into account, and remembering my suspicion of Soot, it seems like you guys came to a silent agreement (yeah, like in the brothers Karamasov) that you're gonna do a role reversal and turn the good cop/bad cop game around. Now soon acts all villagery, back to suspecting me (even though he's having trouble to construct something), while you're trying to buddy up "for old time's sake".

Enough explanation?
 
Xardob 说:
I thought that if there was anyone who could meta read me, it would be you. Apparently, that's not the case.
Oh, and last but not least...that's called appeal to emotion, and I'm not buying it. You're trying to make me feel like I let you down, and to an extend it works. Luckily Neoxardobism helps me NOT TO GIVE A ****  :cool:
 
I see where Mag is coming from because there is a lot of hypocrisy with Pizzadude's reply (a LOT), and where Soot is coming from with the problems in Mag's behavior. But Pizzadude now spinning Mag's behavior to somehow to be a preemptive defense for my lynch (which is clearly not happening at the moment) is quite absurd to me.
 
Now that was a villagery post. (423)

There's so much going on in that wall. It's about 2 paragraphs too long to be a hurdle, and the insertion of humor reads solid.

Want to deep blue Adaham, but I respect him too much for that. Still regular/light blue. Keep going, though.
 
Phonemelter 说:
I see where Mag is coming from because there is a lot of hypocrisy with Pizzadude's reply (a LOT), and where Soot is coming from with the problems in Mag's behavior. But Pizzadude now spinning Mag's behavior to somehow to be a preemptive defense for my lynch (which is clearly not happening at the moment) is quite absurd to me.

Hahahahahaha!  :mrgreen:
 
Askthepizzaguy 说:
Defending Phone becomes his one alibi for pushing so many villagers- but I tried to stop the Phone mislynch on Day One! And of course, those pushing this obvious villager are wolfy. Also, these other 5 players are also wolfy. Reasons why anyone is a villager: What are those?

... anyone who disagreed with your initial assessment of Phone and has maintained that position now that you think he's innocent is a wolf? And you get credit for trying the stop the mislynch that only you were pushing? What?

Try reading the bit about Frisian again. That one should be a very clear explanation of someone who I think is likely innocent.

I am outright attacking you, Kronic, and Xardob, and I'm only wary of Llandy and Hawk. Why is this a problem? How is this different from your own stated position of starting neutral and possibly ending up with more suspects than are likely to be wolves?
 
Adaham 说:
Xardob 说:
I thought that if there was anyone who could meta read me, it would be you. Apparently, that's not the case.
Oh, and last but not least...that's called appeal to emotion, and I'm not buying it. You're trying to make me feel like I let you down, and to an extend it works. Luckily Neoxardobism helps me NOT TO GIVE A ****  :cool:

Solid. Just masterful, really.
 
Magorian Aximand 说:
Askthepizzaguy 说:
Defending Phone becomes his one alibi for pushing so many villagers- but I tried to stop the Phone mislynch on Day One! And of course, those pushing this obvious villager are wolfy. Also, these other 5 players are also wolfy. Reasons why anyone is a villager: What are those?

... anyone who disagreed with your initial assessment of Phone and has maintained that position now that you think he's innocent is a wolf? And you get credit for trying the stop the mislynch that only you were pushing? What?

What are you even talking about?
 
Adaham 说:
Xardob 说:
Adaham, I'm curious about that meta, if you want to explain it. I thought that if there was anyone who could meta read me, it would be you. Apparently, that's not the case.
Meta for Soot is simple (and more or less already explained by Vieira). After he decided to buddy up with me for his last two iterations, it was clear he had to change it up this time around. Last game he even said "I'm not expecting you to give me a free pass this time around", and he still screwed me. And since I came in directly voting him, he must have understood pretty early that I was not gonna let him slip past easily. So buddying up was not gonna cut it this time. So instead he took the most simple route of trying to discredit me and my style - since he actually liked the brevity, he now said I was less fun when having little quotes in between. The only other "reason" he gave to suspect me is the fact he thinks my performance is poor, or disappointing, or lacking, or not impressive, or whatever. As if he himself had been ****ting gold nuggets of wisdom. The contrary is the case, as some have pointed out already. He's on the fence ready to swing somewhere. To make it not all that obvious, he came up with a pack theory because he suddenly remembered that this is a thing he usually does and it would probably look like him if he did. His choices are all easy targets. Hawk, for obvious reasons. The second guy I forgot ( :razz: ) and while I'm not an easy target to lynch, I'm always an easy target to suspect without much reason. Because reason (to quote CinemaPizza).
Basically, Adaham figured that that bit of personal meta between us from the last two games makes for an easy and hard to deny excuse to 'suspect' me, while being generally lazy with his hunting. He's been working on it pretty much from his first post, and he figured to go for it right when I joked a little about his paranoia on it.



****ing hell, let me post.
 
Since when did I say a word about me stopping Phone's mislynch? I swear to Odin, I'm going to break out my hammer of the gods and destroy the next person that just plain old makes stuff up about me.
 
Pizza smells like garlic!









last few pages have been interesting. Need to food myself and then I'll go for a full reread.
 
Askthepizzaguy 说:
Since when did I say a word about me stopping Phone's mislynch? I swear to Odin, I'm going to break out my hammer of the gods and destroy the next person that just plain old makes stuff up about me.

If you want to be read clearly, you need to post more clearly.

Askthepizzaguy 说:
Defending Phone becomes his one alibi for pushing so many villagers- but I tried to stop the Phone mislynch on Day One! And of course, those pushing this obvious villager are wolfy. Also, these other 5 players are also wolfy. Reasons why anyone is a villager: What are those?

If that's not a claim that you stopped it, it's an accusation that I'm claiming that. Which is bull**** in the highest degree.



I like Adaham's post, but the part regarding Soot is a bit too WIFOM for my tastes.
 
I swear I'm going to become an alcohol by the end of this game if Pizza keeps this up.  :lol:

Will look back over things tonight when I have the chance. Also, I will not be able to post much this weekend because my girlfriend and sister are going to be here.
 
Phonemelter 说:
I swear I'm going to become an alcohol by the end of this game if Pizza keeps this up.  :lol:

You're already mislynching me, how could I possibly be a bother to you later on?

And reminder: Me ignoring you is 100% your fault. You refused to work with me and spat on the offer outright. I have no patience with you and am marking you down as a villager even after you mislynch me.

Begin playing better, because you owe me after wasting my entire day today.
 
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