[Werewolf] SMAC: Unity [Game ends!]

[Magorian Aximand]

Yo Pizza, I made some post that had some stuff and such. Thoughts?

Oh sorry, I'm neoXardobian now. 

Hur hur

 

[Phonemelter]

Well, might as well do this for now:

Vote: Pizzadude

I just don't have the patience for people who are going to not respond to questioning - it's extremely wolfy.

 

[Adaham]

Vote: Adaham

Let's get this frustrationwagon rolling.

Weren't you going after Xardob just a second ago?

Xardob and Soot are wolves.

Probably not going to vote there.

Granted, I'm basing this heavily off meta. I couldn't expect you to follow my train of thought there.

Mag, too, if there's a third one.

I'm there. Hi-five.

BTW, I think that's the rather quick 180 you've been called out for by - I think - Vieira. It would be nice to elaborate a bit more on that, since you've been receiving multiple blue indicators from him yesterday. While I do see some stuff that has me worried, he's merely a third choice for me, just because I feel he's playing like a carbon-copy of me when I first adapted Neoxardobism.

Hawk is doing ok.

Meh.

Again based off meta. You don't know how he usually performs. But I'm taking your meh into account and will consider it when reevaluating Hawk later.

Kronic is just probably a scapegoat.

Fingers crossed on that one.

If my first two suspects let me down, I'm probably back onto him.

Frisian is a dirty lurker with a good excuse for it this day.

I might give Frisian a free pass to lurk assuming he votes every day. I don't think the wolf is doing it.

You see, Frisian is always pretty lurky, and even as a wolf he has been not only a terrible lurker, but even consciously killing off the remaining active people to a point, that the game had almost been abandonded. He's a reckless lurker, inactivity-incarnate, if you wish. And no matter what his role, if he doesn't perform at some point, Imma string him up personally. He can take my word for it.

Yo Pizza, I made some post that had some stuff and such. Thoughts?

Oh sorry, I'm neoXardobian now. 

Touché! 

 

[Xardob]

Adaham, that LoS is approaching the level of your performance in the cluedo game. I hope you have something more exciting for us for Sunday. 

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Mag's Itty Bitty Incomplete and Poorly Referenced List of Suspects

Llandy: My main problem with Llandy so far came in her recent conversation with Soot. How can he be playing both sides in an argument where he thinks both players are innocent and both are mistaken in their arguments? That's not a variation on a theme because it doesn't end with anybody dying or any arguments getting advanced. Then she even tries to "gotcha" him. I'm just not buying it. I know Hawk started it, but come on Llandy.

Picks on someone's thought process but does not say they're a wolf for it, is not hunting wolves, Magorian Aximand.

Phoney: Phone responded exceptionally well (and accurately) to Pizza's pressure, and kept up the hunt. A++. .... +

He responded exceptionally poorly, but is a villager at this point. It is only my experience which is allowing me to reverse on him here.

Hawk: See Llandy. Except I expect Hawk to not make any sense. So when he made some sense on Pizza it was alarming. My biggest fear with Hawk is a boy who cried wolf scenario, where we ignore obvious wolfish play because "that's Hawk" and finally let him live and he finally is a wolf. I'll be honest, I don't know exactly how to handle that. I'm open to ideas.

Hawk is a wolf and you're his wolf buddy, and you're straddling the fence like a fence-sitting wolf.

Thoughts? NeoXardobian, etc.

Vieira: He's settled in, and he's hunting like he did before he lost his mojo. Good stuff. The only funny bit is where he claims he can't recall me ever showing uncertainty. It's good to know I've grown into an idealized version of myself in his mind.

This person is a villager but he's also funny because reasons.

Fris: People have wondered about my comment on Fris because he's been so quiet. How could I have come to any kind of conclusion? Well, it's a mild one, but it's with good reason. Fris is always quiet, and more quiet is to be expected as a result of his current IRL situation (sorry buddy). But what he has done when he's been here is participate. At least in a more adventurous way than I expect of his wolfish self. This isn't all it takes to read him, as he demonstrated as a panda (though that really wasn't my game), but it's enough for day one. I won't kill him until later in the game when someone's had a chance to poke him with a stick and give us something we can actually analyze.

Lurker is lurking, therefore he's the same as before. But he's good so I won't lynch him until it wins the game for me as a wolf.

Hammy: **** if I know.

Fence is kind of wedged between your butt cheeks right now.

Kronisianthus: The backdoor factory has been mentioned, but he doesn't improve from there. His reason for those backdoors? To prevent himself from getting tunnel vision. I'm not making that up. Then his post on Pizza is a tentative attempt to make himself appear original. He dislike's Pizza's willingness to sell his vote. Sure, that's great. But he, cautiously, tries to make it appear as though this is an original idea of his own, when in reality the very post he quotes is viciously attacked by Hawk, and admonished by myself. Backdoors? Check. Dishonest parroting? Check.

So, he's a wolf and everyone should lynch him today, then.

Pizza: The ego-luck variants, the hypocrisy, and even the vote-selling I can live with. What I don't like is what appears to be the following of public opinion while working very hard to appear as though his opinion is very self driven. He's active, he's present, he finds his own reasons, but unpopular opinions are moved away from (either gradually or quickly) and potential new ideas are jumped on. Not bandwagoning, too early for that, but it looks like he's trying to read where the village will go so he can claim he was there first. This is far from concrete, I know, but this is the feeling I get.

Correlation =/= causation. Fence sitting.

Xardob: He's not playing like Xardob. I'm far more miffed by his assessment of Kronic than his vote on me. That's the kind of "hunting without hunting" that Xardob should jump on. But instead he freaks out about Frisian being very Frisian about Pizza vs Phone? If you aren't convinced by my meta-view of innocent Xardob, take a look at this epic flip flop.

So, he's a wolf as well.

It's a lot of wolves and not a lot of villagers or reasons why people are villagers.

Ergo, Magorian Aximand is looking for mislynches, not fellow villagers. Therefore, M.Ax is a wolf.

 

[Magorian Aximand]

Vote: Adaham

Let's get this frustrationwagon rolling.

Weren't you going after Xardob just a second ago?

Oh I still am.

Adaham, that LoS is approaching the level of your performance in the cluedo game. I hope you have something more exciting for us for Sunday. 

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, might as well do this for now:

Vote: Pizzadude

I just don't have the patience for people who are going to not respond to questioning - it's extremely wolfy.

I offered to reset relations and discuss the game with you from a fresh page, you spat on that offer, I see no reason to waste more of my time on you, you've sucked enough of my energy out of my body.

no offense, but you're a villager, not a great villager so far.

 

[Magorian Aximand]

OMGUS time!

Vote: Pizza

 

[Magorian Aximand]

Phoney, you see the problems with that reply of Pizza's, right? He claims I don't give reasons where I actually do, calls actual accusations fence sitting, and claims there's a problem with the number of people I suspect when he himself was fine having more suspects than are likely wolves?

 

[Phonemelter]

I offered to reset relations and discuss the game with you from a fresh page, you spat on that offer, I see no reason to waste more of my time on you, you've sucked enough of my energy out of my body.

There is zero reason for me to forget about all that has happened in the game, and you should know that because you have previously stated that every little bit of the game should be analyzed. My mind is open, but until you start playing in a way that I can believe is innocent (which you haven't done), I am not going to keep at you.


I'll have to read it, one sec.

 

[Troll]

Phoney, you see the problems with that reply of Pizza's, right? He claims I don't give reasons where I actually do, calls actual accusations fence sitting, and claims there's a problem with the number of people I suspect when he himself was fine having more suspects than are likely wolves?

Why exactly is his opinion on the matter the one you are looking to hear first?

 

[Adaham]

Adaham, that LoS is approaching the level of your performance in the cluedo game. I hope you have something more exciting for us for Sunday. 

Also...define "performance" in the Cluedo game? 

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

BTW, I think that's the rather quick 180 you've been called out for by - I think - Vieira. It would be nice to elaborate a bit more on that, since you've been receiving multiple blue indicators from him yesterday. While I do see some stuff that has me worried, he's merely a third choice for me, just because I feel he's playing like a carbon-copy of me when I first adapted Neoxardobism.

Magorian had a fairly good opening from where I sit and it impressed me enough to color him blue.

Then I started hard defending him when others found him wolfy.

Then time passed, and I saw no villagery process. Then I stepped away from the keyboard for a long while.

When I came back, zip for villager process. I decided then he had zero business being deep blue.

Then he was here and kept posting content-free nonsense reads, and called himself Xardob for doing so.

No sale, that's wolfy, and he's gotten wolfier since.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Should I get lynched today: Observe Magorian's interactions and reads re: Hawk.

Distancing, soft bussing, but no actual intention to destroy each other here.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Phoney, you see the problems with that reply of Pizza's, right? He claims I don't give reasons where I actually do, calls actual accusations fence sitting, and claims there's a problem with the number of people I suspect when he himself was fine having more suspects than are likely wolves?

Hypocrisy charge.

Pizza: The ego-luck variants, the hypocrisy, and even the vote-selling I can live with. What I don't like is what appears to be the following of public opinion while working very hard to appear as though his opinion is very self driven. He's active, he's present, he finds his own reasons, but unpopular opinions are moved away from (either gradually or quickly) and potential new ideas are jumped on. Not bandwagoning, too early for that, but it looks like he's trying to read where the village will go so he can claim he was there first. This is far from concrete, I know, but this is the feeling I get.

Hypocrisy charge.

Everyone is wolfy except his villagers and he won't say why they're villagers. Saying why they're villagers would make it harder to lynch them later, because it would mean explaining the reversal, which isn't always convincing. It's risky.

Ergo, Magorian is looking for mislynches, not villagers, the entire purpose of his play today has been to look better than the bickering villagers, play the diplomatic game, enjoy being under not a whole lot of suspicion and free defenses from Pizzaguy, and survive the day, while laying the groundwork for any mislynch he pleases.

 

[Xardob]

Adaham, I'm curious about that meta, if you want to explain it. I thought that if there was anyone who could meta read me, it would be you. Apparently, that's not the case.

 

[Adaham]

This person is a villager but he's also funny because reasons.

...

Lurker is lurking, therefore he's the same as before. But he's good so I won't lynch him until it wins the game for me as a wolf.

Hey, are you actually an author for CinemaSins? Because you sure sound like it!

Re: Magorian. I've read your reply to his LoS, as well as your quick summary. Makes sense from a certain point of view. All that I can say is, that it reminds me extremely of my first game in Neoxardobism. Only difference being, that I got a lot of **** for "playing like I don't care", while with Magorian still seem to prefer the warm comfort zone between his cheeks. Still, stylistically I'd say it's similar.

In my 9 years of playing WW, I've found that people are influenced by the most trivial things. Like Avatars for instance. Mind you, I'm talking out of my own experience and don't expect anybody to agree with this or even admit it. But Xardob seems to perceived as far less threatening since he got a cute puppy avatar (was part of the reason why he got one). People were far more suspicious of me when I had my Werewolf Avatar, and now that I have ridiculous Avatars they take me less serious in general (even though they'll say it's because of Neoxardobism and me being "rusty" or "silly" or whatever suits their argument). So my explanation for Magorian not getting as much **** for his style as I do, is the fact that he still has Kasparov doing an Al Pacino impression as his avatar.

 

[Magorian Aximand]

Phoney, you see the problems with that reply of Pizza's, right? He claims I don't give reasons where I actually do, calls actual accusations fence sitting, and claims there's a problem with the number of people I suspect when he himself was fine having more suspects than are likely wolves?

Why exactly is his opinion on the matter the one you are looking to hear first?

Because he's been on the receiving end of the same already, and I want to know if he sees the same in this attack or if I'm being sensitive because I'm the recipient.

Everyone is wolfy except his villagers and he won't say why they're villagers. Saying why they're villagers would make it harder to lynch them later, because it would mean explaining the reversal, which isn't always convincing. It's risky.

Ergo, Magorian is looking for mislynches, not villagers, the entire purpose of his play today has been to look better than the bickering villagers, play the diplomatic game, enjoy being under not a whole lot of suspicion and free defenses from Pizzaguy, and survive the day, while laying the groundwork for any mislynch he pleases.

Except I did say why they were villagers, and keeping them out of my top suspects is not laying the groundwork for their eventual lynch. How does this reasoning work anyway? You did claim I was a villager, not just not a suspect, and it was not hard for you to flip around on that. How would being any more explicit than I am (and you're ignoring because you either don't understand it or don't care to) in any way prevent me from just saying that I came back, took another look, and changed my mind just like you have? Can't I just flip this reasoning back around on you? This isn't a tu quoque fallacy, it's demonstrative of why your reasoning fails.

 

[Troll]

While I don't really see what Pizza is talking about in Magorian's LoS, I have to say that Magorian immediately asking Face's opinion first alarmed my gut. Not sure I like his explanation either. At this point I feel like Face is the last person that will be able to give a useful opinion on what Pizza has said. It really seems more like a specific attempt to buddy up and look for support.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

How does this reasoning work anyway? You did claim I was a villager, not just not a suspect, and it was not hard for you to flip around on that.

Mostly because I had your wolfy behavior on full display, and painted an accurate picture of it.

You can't do that to a villager that is acting like a villager without some logical gymnastics. It's not hard to call a wolf a wolf in your case.

Can't I just flip this reasoning back around on you?

You certainly can. Whether it is effective or reads as villagery or not, that depends on my village.