[Werewolf] SMAC: Unity [Game ends!]

[Adaham]

Teamplay with several parties, even opposing parties...yeah, that's totally something else than random 

That being said, I appreciate your offer for some teamplay like in Twilight Zone II. But remind me...wasn't that the game where you got converted to lurker and won as a villain? 

 

[Xardob]

Totally not my fault. I can't be blamed if the village is stupid enough to hand it's best wolf hunter to the other team. But before that, we managed to lynch two wolves and clear two thirds of the village.

 

[Adaham]

Yeah, that was awesome...and probably indeed the last time the two of us worked as a team.

So why you wanna do it now? Has the sudden influx of neoxardobists made you go back to your old ways? Or has pizza rekindled your spirit? Or are you actually doing the same thing to me that Soot did for the last two games (buddying up, that is)?

 

[Troll]

One more thing that is ringing my wolf-Soot alarm bells is his sloppy pack-hunting, which I do associate with Soot when he is scum. He did it in FA, coming up with pack scenarios that were just plain contradictory/illogical whilst allowing himself leeway to vote for others if necessary, and the way he has just thrown Hawk into his pack as an afterthought and then later attempted to come up with a reason for doing so in an attempt to legitimise his pack-hunting does not feel innocent to me. It feels sloppy and scummy; it gives me an even strong scum vibe than 'fence sitting'.

Farfetched theories and trying to guess the entire pack on day one is just something I like doing. If anything, I just botched emulating that last game.

 

[Vieira151]

Pizzaguy: I like his style; never raised suspicion. Not a fan of some things, such as the way he is settled on Phone so early (he has indicated that it might change, but the apparent vast chasm between his suspicions causes me to doubt that).

Hmm, you say he has never raised any suspicion, and yet you aren't putting him with Llandy in your "Don't consider them suspicious at all" category? 

More seriously, in the words of Pizzadude, "I don't believe you believe this." You've questioned how he came about a few of his conclusions and seem to think his focus on me and action of "sitting back and having a beer" is problematic, but none of that is in any way suspicious to you (or any of the previous points I have made about his case on me)?

That was clearly lies on my part, because I went on to discuss what I consider suspicious, and I've pointed out some things in the past. Its why he isn't blue on my list, and you are right - I don't believe that he has never been suspicious.

Why I said never, though, I have no idea. I'd probably chock it down to a lack of a proofread before posting because I was tired and lazy, but there's not much I can do to defend that choice of words. 

 

[Phonemelter]

Going to bring this up again for potential thoughts in case anyone missed it:

Speaking of Llandy, I am going to have to point out more selective suspicion by Pizzadude. Llandy has "defended" me and my play now multiple times, and he did not bat an eye and call her out on it. Am I really the only person who find this highly suspicious?

This referring to Pizzadude's belief that...

It's decidedly unvillagery to come to the roundabout defense of someone you read neutrally.

 

[Adaham]

Hereby I'm calling out pizza for this second quote the thing Phoney is going on about. Look at my awesome contribution 

 

[Phonemelter]

...but the way in which the jokey smiley tone of [Kronic's] posts is at odds with that swearing; there is no reason for anybody to be frustrated yet (although I get the feeling Melter is strongly heading that way re: Pizzaguy).

Kronic's tone does remind me of Lep in the Black Death game, mixed in with a bit of Soot from last game. Twinkie had a similar reaction too in BD, so it could be too hard to judge based off just that reaction, but the more jokey tone about it is something I have associated with being slightly wolfier.

[Soot] did it in FA, coming up with pack scenarios that were just plain contradictory/illogical whilst allowing himself leeway to vote for others if necessary, and the way he has just thrown Hawk into his pack as an afterthought and then later attempted to come up with a reason for doing so in an attempt to legitimise his pack-hunting does not feel innocent to me.

Yes, but I am not getting the same feeling here because he did not leave himself the same opportunities for backing out that he did last game. What do you think of Xardob's thought on Hawk leaving a more obvious backdoor for himself? More wolfy than Soot? Less wolfy? Neutral?

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Logging in, I have internets, can't be here all day.

Reactions have registered, people have weighed in.

Unvote: Phonemelter

Still not clearing him, however. A lot of what I said about his play still stands but.

A tunnel that leads somewhere and a tunnel that leads nowhere are both rather predictable, straight, and contain no intersections where wolves can pile up in traffic.

I might return my vote to Phonemelter before End Of Day but it's actually more likely I leave him alone. If there has been no real support for Phonemelter before now, with the level of pressure I put on him, then that is generated data.

Lynching someone I have generated real data on is fine if they're a wolf, terrible if they're a villager.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

No replies yet. K looking at questions posed of me while afk

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I believe what, that there is a reason? There is clearly not - people pointed out previous spelling mistakes and the OP has been fixed since.

I'm aware that there is no reason and the OP has been fixed.

It was obvious before the OP was fixed that this was the case. You drawing attention to it seemed illegitimate to me.

You state:

#78 is slightly wolfy. Reply #81 is much more solidly wolfy.

without clarifying. What makes these posts wolfy to you?

78 is wolfy because if you're being townread from someone and do not suspect them, you generally don't try to correct their reasons for thinking you're a villager.

Although.... now that I think about it more, I have done that before at least twice as villager that I can recollect. 

But I'm a strange cat. I'd still find it suspect if someone else did it. It smells of trying too hard to look villagery.

81 attacks my top townread, defends my top wolfread while reading him neutrally and say it isn't worth reading into [Nausea smiley] and I've gone over why 4. is wolfy twice already, underlining it both times, getting frustrated that I am now repeating myself about something I've repeated myself about.

For folks who don't like seeing walls of text, you do hit the post-it-again button too many times for my liking. Why should I go into it yet again if it isn't going to be read the first two times and I underlined it both times?

Also regarding that same post (though not the content in the quote), what do you mean when you say that a post is "pure"? Regarding your Adaham segment.

Gut read on Adaham's post is that he is a villager. It is free flowing and in the moment and doesn't read careful, contrived, anxious, or whatever.

Now I'm aware Adaham is even more ancient than I am, so I can't hard clear him for such posts. Just.... waiting for a reason to clear him. Villager by default, stronger than rand for now, let's see if it stays that way.

Feel like downgrading Magorian, though. I'm feeling so meh on him right now. Nothing wolfy, just.... nothing good either.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Interesting, you said quite a lot, but didn't answer my question in the end.

Do you need me to quote where I answered it, or can you go back and re-read that post and another post soon after it?

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

You think Vieira is a possible wolf because he mused about the host not-capitalising somebody’s name? Vieira didn’t in any way follow up on this or try to press the matter to suggest some sort of meta-scumminess, so what, specifically, makes you think he is wolfy because of that?

Here's an interesting thought. Pizza and Vieira are packmates. Pizza came up with a weak but believable reason to suspect Vieira, while not quite explaining it. He then used that reason to stay in the hunt and bait other players into discussion. After the quote war with Melter, he shifted his suspicion and the bit about Vieira lies forgotten but ready to be picked up again if needed.

I like the way you think about how wolves could be behaving. This is an excellent reason to suspect Vieira and I of being packmates.

I'm not a wolf, but this reads as not contrived and actually thinking about the solve.

 

[Magorian Aximand]

I think it's likely that Xardob is a wolf, and this makes me sad.

 

[Magorian Aximand]

Good vibes from Soot, Vieira, and Phoney. They're not always right, but I do at least feel like they're genuine.

 

[Xardob]

Interesting, you said quite a lot, but didn't answer my question in the end.

Do you need me to quote where I answered it, or can you go back and re-read that post and another post soon after it?

I saw that answer, but you never gave me a number. It's not really important, but it was interesting.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Up to this current point in the thread? I'm struggling to really to get a read that puts him that much to any side, but I'm leaning furry.

Mmm.

Everyone who responded that I can recall read Eli wolf. Eli did not gain votes. Eli has done nothing villagery in the interim. I read him villager and he thinks I'm a wolf.

I don't see much in the way of wolf-hunting.

I am considering dropping my vote there. Still reading.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

If I were to design a game of this size, 2-3 wolves is balanced, depending what powers village has.

I'd also say I can have more suspects than wolves, if villagers play poorly enough.

What are you on about, Xardob? If you claim to be reading my posts, read them already, or tell me what you're not understanding.

Please.

 

[Xardob]

I think it's likely that Xardob is a wolf, and this makes me sad.

Why? Wouldn't you be happy about an exciting battle to get me lynched? Or is it that you know you'd have no hope of winning said battle? 

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizzaguy: I like his style; never raised suspicion. Not a fan of some things, such as the way he is settled on Phone so early (he has indicated that it might change, but the apparent vast chasm between his suspicions causes me to doubt that).

Hmm, you say he has never raised any suspicion, and yet you aren't putting him with Llandy in your "Don't consider them suspicious at all" category? 

More seriously, in the words of Pizzadude, "I don't believe you believe this." You've questioned how he came about a few of his conclusions and seem to think his focus on me and action of "sitting back and having a beer" is problematic, but none of that is in any way suspicious to you (or any of the previous points I have made about his case on me)?

That was clearly lies on my part, because I went on to discuss what I consider suspicious, and I've pointed out some things in the past. Its why he isn't blue on my list, and you are right - I don't believe that he has never been suspicious.

Why I said never, though, I have no idea. I'd probably chock it down to a lack of a proofread before posting because I was tired and lazy, but there's not much I can do to defend that choice of words. 

Now here we see actually correct usage of sarcasm. The lady went unmolested this time.

Initial read of Vieira as wolfy fading here.