[Werewolf] SMAC: Unity [Game ends!]

[Vieira151]

Okies! Stuffed with curry and beer. Let's do this.

Realised I forgot to unvote last post since I didn't decide on someone to place my vote on instead (my mind was firmly on the curry). So,

unvote: Phonemelter.

Eli is a wolf, yea, nay? @ literally everyone including Phone and Vieira (maybe even especially so).

Up to this current point in the thread? I'm struggling to really to get a read that puts him that much to any side, but I'm leaning furry.

Soot's LoS

Soot's LoS here seems to play both sides of the argument developing between pizza and Face, with him getting "innocent vibes" from both of the participants (one of which, pizza, I find decidedly suspicious, but that is material for a more substantial post) and generally being noncommittal on anyone being wolfish save for Vieira and maybe Llandy...

I dunno. I thought he was quite noncommittal on his points about myself as well. "Oh, he has been doing this thing I find scummy, but that's his style. So... uh... yeah." Paraphrased, obviously, but that's the general idea I got from it.

In-Post EDIT: I've been reading on, and I'm finding myself concurring with Llandy's recent points on this topic.

Speak of posting, though, I do want to see more from Xardob when he gets home, plus Frislurker and Hawk.

jeeezus lady

C'mon, Frisface. You can say more than that, right?

In-Post EDIT: I saw your thing about failed school. Good luck on the resit, but I hope you can still maybe chip in with a thought or two instead of just a short post whenever your name is mentioned.

You have ceased almost all wolf hunting ever since I accused you. Other than OMGUS'ing me (which is valid) you've done almost nothing but defend yourself poorly.

To be fair, both of you haven't done a lot outside your private war since you started going at it. Which is exactly the point I was trying to make in one of my previous posts that got conveniently ignored. You posted yourself the dead horse analogy, but I think we're closing in on a dead herd by now. And I think we're not gaining any insight on any of the two anymore. We'd get much clearer reads if you started talking with and about others, rather than continuing your infight, that - I'll admit - I'm starting to skip.

I mean, he has had some back and forths with Llandy (mainly about the virtues of No Lynch) and he did his little thought gathering on Kronic/Eli. But on the whole, posts such as

We're approaching the point where a Phone death and wolf flip would lock me villager and bust the game wide open.

Feel free to hunt your own wolves, folks, but.... this is the guy.

make me agree with your point here. It has the feel of a "Ok, that's my case made. Time to sit, put my feet up and have a beer" post.

An awfully specific gut read that relies on both of them being scum, I know. So I decided to make it even better by giving a stab at naming the whole pack at the same time. Hawk was stuck in my mind because of his weird first post and the fact that he said nothing since then, so I threw him in there. Only his reappearance actually moved my read on him specifically into scum territory from null:

"I've got this theory about two players being scum, but I need one more to make a trio of wolves. I know! Hawk is also a wolf because he said bad stuff about me!"

Sorry if I put that a little too simply, but it's the base of how I feel this is. As mentioned above, I felt Hawk made a reasonable point. You even continued to be fairly noncommittal even after the post Hawk is referencing (the interesting thing is that this isn't too long afterwards, yet 2 of the three people mentioned in the other post):

Mag's new post seems more legit to me.

Adaham's posts are much less interesting to read when they are filled with tiny quotes.

Both of the above apply to Llandy.

I'm actually not getting a particularly innocent vibe from Adaham yet, and I do feel like the focus on wolf hunting is missing this time around. Don't know if it's because he actually is hard to get a read on without knowing his role beforehand, or if he's actually scum.

The first point isn't wishy washy, and I can understand your opinion changing on Mags... but what exactly about his new posts seemed more legit?

The rest isn't anywhere near as committal as the first sentence. What does less interesting mean? Are they boring so you don't bother reading them? Is it a furry trait? I mean, it reads like you are trying to say something about Adaham and Llandy (whom you were noncommittal about in the post Hawk discussed) but can't find something to say. You made then made a comment about your feelings on Adaham, but gave yourself a way out in case he isn't a wolf - similar, but less extreme, to what Eli is being accused of in the case by Magorian that you agree with.

Admittedly, you later then went on to make a case on him, and it at least gives us some info on where you actually stand and it has lessened my wolf leaning of you a little bit, but your case essentially relies on gut feeling of Adaham and Eli being packmates - which you mentioned yourself.

I'm glad you've actually started leaning to some sides (besides InnocentPizza), but I don't necessarily agree with them. I especially felt your addition of Hawk to the pile after he began a case on you to be slightly dodgy and that it belies the fact you don't seem to have an awful lot to lean on.

Question to anyone: Do you think this comes off as, similar to what Soot is partially being accused of, not taking a side for "wolfy" reasons (maybe preemptive bet-hedging), or is it genuine, careful innocent behavior?

It's difficult to gauge because he hasn't posted many other thoughts on anything besides himself, really. It could be either, to be honest, but I wouldn't put a bet down right now.

 

[Phonemelter]

Had food, time for the last two.

Llandy - I want to say innocent because I am not getting many bad vibes from her, but I am not sure right now. Mostly been making comments and asking a few questions rather than prodding much, aside from the recent interaction with Soot. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it looks as if Llandy is taking it slower / easier this game. She did say that she is trying to take a step back and not read too much into her initial reads, but I feel going after Soot is maybe the "safest" option, considering this is the third game in a row where it has happened (i.e. could feel more comfortable dishing it out to him). Agrees with Hawk's view that Soot is potentially playing both sides (which reminds me - Hawk did not talk about Kronic's similar behavior), while when Kronic does it, it is more "neutral" (in b4 Pizzadude comes in and says this is wolf logic). The difference seems to be in that she gets less of a wolfy feeling from the rest of Kronic's posts, but I think the reasoning she has on Soot (spinning Hawk's sentiment to be wolfy, which I do not necessarily agree with) is a bit of a stretch. I don't know, her pursuit here feels "off." Will have to see her further engagements.

Speaking of Llandy, I am going to have to point out more selective suspicion by Pizzadude. Llandy has "defended" me and my play now multiple times, and he did not bat an eye and call her out on it. Am I really the only person who find this highly suspicious?

Soot - I thought he had posted more, but apparently I as wrong. I had him more innocent to start and felt that his conclusion of both Pizzadude and I being innocent was genuine, but looking back, it seems like the people he has put the most effort into talking about so far are those who find him suspicious, which I do not like. On the other hand, the way he is going about arguing feels a bit less like a wolf trying to get rid of suspicion and more like an innocent annoyed by what he thinks are bad argumens.

 

[Phonemelter]

Here's an interesting thought. Pizza and Vieira are packmates. Pizza came up with a weak but believable reason to suspect Vieira, while not quite explaining it. He then used that reason to stay in the hunt and bait other players into discussion. After the quote war with Melter, he shifted his suspicion and the bit about Vieira lies forgotten but ready to be picked up again if needed.

Interesting. That could explain the odd lie of reasoning he has used connecting Vieira to people (and me).

 

[Xardob]

I mean, I'll happily lynch you, Soot and Pizza if you want a shortlist, but it's day one and I'm willing to see how things go.

So, your short list consists of the players who suspect you?

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@Adaham:

Aw man, you totally saw through my plan to get you into a quote war with me, because apparently every time I ask question to someone it means I am tricking them into getting into a long argument, somehow. 

I'm not going to keep beating a dead horse (a live wolf isn't the same as a dead horse no matter how many times you beat it, anyway)

But this sarcasm does not read as villagery.

Sarcasm is a huge indicator of alignment. It is a humor-based read. Humor is very subjective, and it reads differently when written by a wolf because they have an opposed mindset to a villager.

Sarcasm tell here says Phone is a wolf.

Like, I can move on and not give updates when Phone posts a wolfy post, since I'm registering about 80+ on my 1-100 wolfy scale here, I'm just going to sound tunnelly or redundant if I keep doing it.

But those of you not reading Phone wolf, read the sarcasm very closely here, and tell me if it sounds pure.

I like this line of reasoning.  I agree with you that emotion and subjective reads are more effective to catch wolves. But here is where I think your lack of meta on this game hurts you. That comment doesn't seem out of character for Melter, and sarcasm can indicate frustration just as easily as humor.

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Soot's LoS

Soot's LoS here seems to play both sides of the argument developing between pizza and Face, with him getting "innocent vibes" from both of the participants (one of which, pizza, I find decidedly suspicious, but that is material for a more substantial post) and generally being noncommittal on anyone being wolfish save for Vieira and maybe Llandy, with some complaints regarding Magorian's posting style, which are then invalidated by a further post:

Mag's new post seems more legit to me.

Adaham's posts are much less interesting to read when they are filled with tiny quotes.

Both of the above apply to Llandy.

I'm actually not getting a particularly innocent vibe from Adaham yet, and I do feel like the focus on wolf hunting is missing this time around. Don't know if it's because he actually is hard to get a read on without knowing his role beforehand, or if he's actually scum.

In which suspicion is now shifted onto Adaham. While there's some merit to the case against Adaham (and once more, that is material for a LoS of my own), in combination with the original LoS this just comes across as him covering all the bases so that his bandwagoning on a potential innocent lynch will have some background to it. Moreover, Soot seems to be content with contributing only these little jabs thus far, shoring up his own veneer of innocence while letting others do the "hunting" for him. It seems decidedly suspicious to me and I'd caution people to watch further input.

I love how you managed to attack a player and leave a backdoor to switch to either someone he finds innocent or someone he thinks is a wolf. You even accused Soot of covering all the bases. Truly impressive stuff.

Take it from an uninvolved third party, it definitely came across as the start of the classic "he started it" kids gag

It was easy for you to see because it was basically a copy of what Melter and I did in the Spammasters thread. 

Because the real time interaction counter-indicated interest in Wolf!Phone.

Or it could be just an attempt to deflect attention.

I know I joked about people doing what I want without the work, but being innocent doesn't make me right. I'd much rather you hunt than follow. When we agree, so much the better.

Vote Magorian

I have this terrible feeling that this feud is going to end up with either lynched, then the other when the first one turns out innocent. Then the second one is also innocent. And then we all go 'shouldn't have seemed so villainous'.

Damn, if I just hadn't voted Mag, I'd vote you right now. Consider this a virtual vote.

Breaking this post again. I need a little rest before tackling the last part of the melted pizza saga.

 

[Troll]

Why the **** am I still awake and watching this thread after feeling tired for about sixteen hours? Oh well.

Vieira: Vieira is definitely more nervous than he should ever be at this stage of the game. The extent he feels he has to justify his every word when questioned is excessive to say the least. But, even though this is something I generally think is extremely scummy, I have to admit that this is not uncharacteristic of Vieira regardless of his role.

So, completely neutral and useless read on Vieira. Why bother with it at all? You offered an opinion on everyone else in that post. Why not your packmate as well?

Felt it was fair to bring out my meta on him after I questioned him on his early play, and I figured it wouldn't hurt for Pizza to know that bit of meta.

@Vieira:

I like my stupid packmate theories, and I came to Adaham's post right after reading Kronic's post and agreeing with what Mag said on it. But aside that, I think it's worth noting that Hawk technically didn't say anything on anybody before I threw him in there.

My read on Mag changed because he brought up several things that I'd also thought of about at the same time, in his latest post at the time.

My first comment on Adaham in that post was just grumbling, as at that point I was finding reading the game to be really laborious. The second was in reference to the fact that in the two last games I played as a wolf I felt that he was extremely innocent, which could be the reason he keeps bringing up paranoid remarks about me, aside possibly trying to find something to justify a case on me by making comparisons to those games. This sentiment was not shared by people that didn't have the extra information that comes with being a wolf. Thus, the first thing I was looking for in this game was if I could gauge Adaham to be innocent as easily as I thought it seemed when I was a wolf. From there I started developing a gut read to the opposite direction.

I won't claim my case on Adaham is particularly strong thus far, but I do have to say that I think I got a pretty good read from Hawk's attack on me, despite all the potential OMGUS and ****, and you guys should really examine that a bit more. I guess it's a bit easier to see bull**** in an argument directed at oneself, and a bit harder to read the motivations behind it, but I do have to say I'm a little miffed by how everyone's accepting Hawk's case.

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Soot's LoS

Soot's LoS here seems to play both sides of the argument developing between pizza and Face, with him getting "innocent vibes" from both of the participants (one of which, pizza, I find decidedly suspicious, but that is material for a more substantial post) and generally being noncommittal on anyone being wolfish save for Vieira and maybe Llandy, with some complaints regarding Magorian's posting style, which are then invalidated by a further post:

Mag's new post seems more legit to me.

Adaham's posts are much less interesting to read when they are filled with tiny quotes.

Both of the above apply to Llandy.

I'm actually not getting a particularly innocent vibe from Adaham yet, and I do feel like the focus on wolf hunting is missing this time around. Don't know if it's because he actually is hard to get a read on without knowing his role beforehand, or if he's actually scum.

In which suspicion is now shifted onto Adaham. While there's some merit to the case against Adaham (and once more, that is material for a LoS of my own), in combination with the original LoS this just comes across as him covering all the bases so that his bandwagoning on a potential innocent lynch will have some background to it. Moreover, Soot seems to be content with contributing only these little jabs thus far, shoring up his own veneer of innocence while letting others do the "hunting" for him. It seems decidedly suspicious to me and I'd caution people to watch further input.

I love how you managed to attack a player and leave a backdoor to switch to either someone he finds innocent or someone he thinks is a wolf. You even accused Soot of covering all the bases. Truly impressive stuff.

Oh damn. I didn't even notice that.

 

[Vieira151]

I realised I put "stuffed with curry and beer" at the top of that, but that post was a long time in the making. So it's not relevant now...

Anyway! I'll put a short, to the point LoS. I can expand on my views if need be.

Llandy: I haven't noted anything furry. Will continue to evaluate in subsequent thread reads.
Pizzaguy: I like his style; never raised suspicion. Not a fan of some things, such as the way he is settled on Phone so early (he has indicated that it might change, but the apparent vast chasm between his suspicions causes me to doubt that).
Xardob: Was going neutral, but he just came in with his first real piece of work, and I found myself generally agreeable to his points.
Adaham: I'm honestly struggling. Nothing has stood out as furry for me. Conversely, nothing has given me good vibes. Perhaps that is more worrying?
Hawk: Started off with a reasonable point I agree with (and that I expanded a little upon). On further reading his post doesn't contain much substance, at least until he delivers his LoS, even though I agree with the point he was trying to make.
Frisiandude: Typical Frisian, with an added dose of Real-Life troubles. I wish he'd give us more on his thoughts, but until then it's neutral.
Phonemelter: While I think Pizza gave off the better impression in the Duel, I'm not getting much in the way of a lean (perhaps it's the tiredness).
Magorian: I hadn't noticed much of a problem - and he made some good points on Eli. Xardob pointed out a quote I find curious. The thought that they could be playing the 'obvious packmates are obvious' card, had occurred to me when reading their banter, but I never considered Pizza to be furry so I put that to the back of my mind for the time being.
Ellisiantus: Started off poorly and hasn't done much in the way of recovering from that.
Soot: Strongest wolf lean. Started off by intervening on Magorian's behalf, made some wishy washy statements as I've detailed in my recent posts.

Key:

Red: Consider them very suspicious.
Orange: Generally not convinced of their innocence, a few hints.
Yellow: Struggled to get a read, have a mixed read.
Green: Generally happy with their play, a few blips.
Blue: Don't consider them suspicious at all

Oh, look. A Soot post - I'll reply tomorrow. I'm pretty tired right now, and there are probably some lovely mistakes in these last two posts I'll notice tomorrow, but screw it.

 

[Xardob]

Villager reaction to my wrong accusation of you is to laugh at me, give a defense MAYBE, and attack wolves.

Again, I don't agree. I have seen villagers (and been one of them) get into very heated and lengthy quote wars. What you're describing is what you would do, as a villager reaction. Not all of us do that.

I'd even say the norm is for villagers to get defensive and focus on the attacker. Even OMGUS is more of a villager reaction than a wolf one. It takes a very specific kind of player to brush off an accusation and carry on. Even I can't do it completely.

Plus this is the... third game in a row (?) that you have suspected me from the start, so I am used to it. 

I see you've taken another page from my playbook. And it's the wolf one again.

While I suppose this technically counts as questioning Kronic, the vibe I got from this post reinforced my general read on Adaham a lot. It just doesn't look like he gives a **** about lynching the scum, and this post, following what I think was the most suspicious post in the game until that point by Kronic, felt distinctly like he was just breezing past.

It feels like he's just breezing past it because he is. I disagree with your conclusion that this means he's suspicious, though. I see no attempt at manipulation or waiting for an opportunity from Adaham so far.

Picking one side to support can be a wolf using an opportunity, yes. But so can a wolf refusing to pick a side, which is exactly what you did towards the end of Day 1 in the last game. I even pointed out to you that "if you think Eternal and I are wolves then we should fit in a pack, but according to your own opinions, you obviously don't think that" and you gave some similar BS excuse that I allowed to pass because I wasn't getting wolfy vibes from you, and my bad on that.

I don't see the similarities between the two cases here. Soot already explained, and I think his version is the correct one here. I think you're reaching the wrong conclusion because you have the wrong motive. It would be far more advantageous for a wolf to approach this matter with the opinion of both being innocent if he's looking to buddy up with both of them. I see no signs of Soot doing this yet.

Question to anyone: Do you think this comes off as, similar to what Soot is partially being accused of, not taking a side for "wolfy" reasons (maybe preemptive bet-hedging), or is it genuine, careful innocent behavior?

It's genuine, careful behavior. I leave it to you to guess whether it's innocent or not. It's certainly not bet hedging.

It has the feel of a "Ok, that's my case made. Time to sit, put my feet up and have a beer" post.

Would you say Pizza is parking his suspicion on Melter and avoiding the other subjects?

Oh damn. I didn't even notice that.

It's easy to miss, but I think those offhanded comments hidden in the post are even more worrying than whatever he said about you.

 

[Xardob]

And look at what you all made me do. Three small walls of text and a couple hours lost composing them. I shall have some measure of revenge during the weekend.

 

[Phonemelter]

I see you've taken another page from my playbook. And it's the wolf one again.

I'm curious what you are referencing, because I cannot recall (to the best of my meta knowledge) when you did that was.

 

[Xardob]

Downplaying suspicion on you by jokingly accusing your accuser (Horrible construction, I know. I expect Llandy will have a minor brain hemorrhage when she sees this) of paranoia against you. Just like I did with Orj on the panda game.

 

[Phonemelter]

That wasn't what I was doing, or trying to, at least. I never accused him of paranoia - I was just stating the fact that he has started off the past three games being suspicious of me, which I find funny, and nothing more. Unlike the TT game he isn't turning it into a big case and acknowledges it is nothing major right now, so why would I need to "downplay" it in the first place?

Pizzaguy: I like his style; never raised suspicion. Not a fan of some things, such as the way he is settled on Phone so early (he has indicated that it might change, but the apparent vast chasm between his suspicions causes me to doubt that).

Hmm, you say he has never raised any suspicion, and yet you aren't putting him with Llandy in your "Don't consider them suspicious at all" category? 

More seriously, in the words of Pizzadude, "I don't believe you believe this." You've questioned how he came about a few of his conclusions and seem to think his focus on me and action of "sitting back and having a beer" is problematic, but none of that is in any way suspicious to you (or any of the previous points I have made about his case on me)?

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

It was easy for you to see because it was basically a copy of what Melter and I did in the Spammasters thread.

Clearly Melter is a bad influence 

You're probably right, but it's not just because of that. The Melter/Pizza stuff kinda reminded me of the Llandy/Delta stuff from early Day 1 of the last game. That is to say, one topic of conversation that most of the present and active players are focusing on to the exclusion of anything else. I just haven't really seen how it looks from the outside before, and I didn't realise it was so wearying. I'm going to try to avoid doing that as much in future. Emphasis on the word try.

Anyway, you mentioned that I had suspicion of Soot for his possible fence-sitting whilst not having suspicion of Kronic for the same thing, and you're right for the following reasons:

1) I could see Kronic's post as a wolf trying to hedge his bets, as I mentioned before. But I could also see it as a stream of consciousness ramble from a player who's been gone for a long time and is trying to find his feet again. Very little else he'd said by that point had raised my suspicions. The most suspicious thing I find now is actually something Adaham pointed out -- the post peppered with expletives. Not the fact that he swears, because that's just Kronic, or the fact that swearing is a scummy thing, because from what I've seen swearing is very often a frustrated villager thing to do, but the way in which the jokey smiley tone of his posts is at odds with that swearing; there is no reason for anybody to be frustrated yet (although I get the feeling Melter is strongly heading that way re: Pizzaguy). Maybe it really is just how he's always played, but I'm not going back to do meta, I would rather wait and see what else develops here.

2) This (again) could be me entering paranoia mode because I was the target of Soot's vote for a lot of the last game even when I felt it was entirely undeserved and his reasoning illogical, but his post about Melter/Pizza just screamed the same reasoning as the end of his "analysis" on me and Eternal in the last game. The part where he said "I think they're both full of ****, but it's hard to tell if one of them might believe their own **** (sic)", that is to say, putting two players down as potential ****-spewers whilst being willing to vote both of them. In this case, he hasn't put two players down, but rather, it seems like a reversal of his play in Forum Affair; he's not open to lynching both, but rather, placing both on his innocent list. Budding? I don't know.

One more thing that is ringing my wolf-Soot alarm bells is his sloppy pack-hunting, which I do associate with Soot when he is scum. He did it in FA, coming up with pack scenarios that were just plain contradictory/illogical whilst allowing himself leeway to vote for others if necessary, and the way he has just thrown Hawk into his pack as an afterthought and then later attempted to come up with a reason for doing so in an attempt to legitimise his pack-hunting does not feel innocent to me. It feels sloppy and scummy; it gives me an even strong scum vibe than 'fence sitting'.

And now I will go back and look at what you pointed out about Hawk's post, because I have definitely missed it as well.



@Pizzaguy

When you get back, please could you answer the million dollar question which Melter has asked several times, and which I have echoed? Why did you single me out for "would have preferred a vote on a wolfier suspect" treatment and why am I seemingly held to a different standard to others?

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

Had food, time for the last two.

Llandy - I want to say innocent because I am not getting many bad vibes from her, but I am not sure right now. Mostly been making comments and asking a few questions rather than prodding much, aside from the recent interaction with Soot.

Oh, you have no idea I was literally this close [----] to voting Pizzaguy just to see how he would react.

Not necessarily a bad thing, but it looks as if Llandy is taking it slower / easier this game. She did say that she is trying to take a step back and not read too much into her initial reads, but I feel going after Soot is maybe the "safest" option, considering this is the third game in a row where it has happened (i.e. could feel more comfortable dishing it out to him).

Definitely taking things slower/easier (I would say 'quieter' too). I've noticed that my active/vocal Day 1 activity is often a detriment to wolf-hunting, for both myself an others, because of the distraction I cause. I'm trying to take a leaf out of my own Day 2 FA book and sit back and look at things more objectively without getting as emotionally involved.

Agrees with Hawk's view that Soot is potentially playing both sides (which reminds me - Hawk did not talk about Kronic's similar behavior), while when Kronic does it, it is more "neutral" (in b4 Pizzadude comes in and says this is wolf logic). The difference seems to be in that she gets less of a wolfy feeling from the rest of Kronic's posts, but I think the reasoning she has on Soot (spinning Hawk's sentiment to be wolfy, which I do not necessarily agree with) is a bit of a stretch. I don't know, her pursuit here feels "off." Will have to see her further engagements.

Ahh, it was you who said this. I thought it was Xardob. That's what I get for trying to phone-read WoTs in bed. Oh well, I responded to this point in the post above this one.

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

@Xardob

I can see what you mean about Hawk's post but I'm reserving judgement until I've heard what he actually has to say about Pizza and Adaham in his own LoS (which he has intimated will be incoming).

This is probably the only phone-post I will do today, will check back tonight after sax.

 

[MaHuD]

Vote count day 1, A
6 to lynch, no deadline set yet.

Sootshade (ex Troll):  Adaham
Phonemelter(ex Cedric): Askthepizzaguy
Vieira: Magorian Axemand
Frisiandude: Sootshade
Xardob: Pharaoh Llandy
Magorian Axemand: Xardob

Not voting:
Vieira, Kronic, Phonemelter, Frisiandude, Hawk

History:
Vieira unvoted PhoneMelter


Perhaps its a bit early to say but I would like to see more input from Kronic & Hawk.
As for the rest of you, keep up the good work! Very pleased with the activity and discussions.

PS: This was written on my phone. I will fix any mistakes and the lay out after work.

 

[FrisianDude]

I don't think ELisianthus is a wolf.

 

[Adaham]

Snip

Skipped 

I mean, seriously dude...get to the point 

 

[Elisianthus]

Right, sorry, I've just had a read through while drinking my first coffee and I'll be going through again shortly. I realise there have been a coupla questions put my way, but something I spotted while reading which really isn't making my opinion on Pizza much better:

If I can't read Eli directly I can always read Eli indirectly by measuring the temperature of the thread. Sort of like how I read afk people or low-posters. Indirect read time.

but you're in my solid blue so you have commanding privileges for the time being.

I'm going to have to see if I can find more of these, but these both come across as serious warning signs to me: in both cases I read these as "I am willing to bandwaggon with your opinions". In the first quote, yes, he explains he has trouble getting a read on me and looks for other ideas, but the phrasing of the second one I genuinely can't read as something other than "I am willing to piggyback off you". This makes the first seem a lot more troubling to me. I'm actually kinda surprised this wasn't called out by more people?

 

[Adaham]

Hereby I'm calling out pizza for this second quote. Look at my awesome contribution 

To be fair (and serious)...some people have expressed their doubts about the apparent "teamplay" between Magorian and Pizza, so it's not like nobody has mentioned it. Then again, if we undermine every attempt to teamplay, randomness will reign supreme come lynch-time. X-man might be enjoying this kind of randomness, but most others will agree that it's good to come to an agreement a bit earlier than half an hour before the deadline.

 

[Xardob]

I am enjoying the randomness. But I'm also open for some team play. I might team play with several parties at same time, sometimes even opposing parties, but that's a price you have to be willing to pay.