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Since I hate playing with a mass of quotes where the real points get lost in no time, I'll just explain why I suspect you AWdeV:

You started an attack on Ejnomad. Nothing wrong with that, since he had given something of a reason for it. However, the problem is how you started it with twisting his points.

AWdeV 说:
If you don't vote and act quite as vehemently as Ejnomad does, you're scum.
If you're the least bit concerned about the very first vote killing an innocent, you're scum.

According to Ej, ou're also scummy if you are frightened of suspicion, though I can see the reasoning behind that.
Now, everyone loves exaggerating a bit, but how the **** do you twist Ejnomad's comments on how he didn't like what Magorian was doing to him saying that Magorian was clearly a wolf because he didn't act like Ej prefers to? Ejnomad presented his ideas vocally, maybe saying at points that Magorian's actions were suspicious, but not once he claimed his style was the only way to do it, and that Magorian was a sure wolf.

Then you go on about how Ejnomad wants to get rid of Magorian, even though he had yet to even say he found Magorian to be a likely wolf. He brought up points about Magorian, but he didn't judge that it couldn't be anything but villainous actions.

Then you mention the obvious thing; Ej was being aggressive. How does this make anyone suspicious on it's own? Was he being too aggressive? Maybe, but it was an attempt to create discussion and for him to progress that was required.





Basically, your attack was based on what would appear to be misunderstanding. You misunderstood a lot, aye. On purpose.

Then, when Ejnomad rationally answers to your bull****, comes the "ahahaha, got you!" post. Because your nonexistant points were easily handled you had to make an effort to make it seems like you actually still had something on your attack, with seeming confident.

You claim that you were confident. However, why make such an effort to seem so, then?

Oh, because you like smileys!

... FFS, I made my point as clear as possible, so your joke isn't a pleasing answer. You weren't confident because you had nothing to be confident about. You just want to it to seem otherwise.




Now then, it seems like you decided that the random bull****ting wasn't working? We got an actual answer!

Which was filled with twisting facts, and some more bull**** about how you didn't understand my point, because you judged it a good way to try to convince me that I missjudged your post? Still not buying it, since the effort put to it was way too clear.

Then add how you speak about Ej's vote on Magorian, which never happened, and for example this:

"I don't like YOUR attempts of underhandedly and sneakily convincing people that I'm no good."

After you attacked Ejnomad without a bit of reasoning, I think he has quite a good reason to try convincing people that you don't have anything against him. Because it's a fact.

The rest is basically you just trying to brush away his points with words like "hypocrisy". Which you wouldn't need to do if you actually had to counter his points with.

Yeah, my vote is staying.
 
I assure you Ejnomad, I'm not just 'parking a vote on a lurker'. I found Nodscouters lack of contribution odd, and whilst it's still not as definitive as I'd like, he's done enough to make me Unvote him. He's placed a vote, although I'd like to see him clarify on the points he raised a little more. It's just barebones thus far, and ones that have already been mentioned at that.

It's still more than Vader or Kronic have done though, and that worries me. Come to think of it, MaHud falls into that category as well. I'd like to hear more about their view, and perhaps get a new angle on this Ejnomad/SootShade-AWdeV fiasco in the process.
 
Sorry not gonna cloud my head with this yet until the other game is over. Which I believe is over very soon.
I did read some stuff though, and I can say this: keep it up Nomad.
 
FrisianDude 说:
Adaham 说:
A vote-count would be nice  :wink:
Not much has changed.
Aye, but that info is good to have, I lost the overview going through all the quotes floating around.

Revilo 说:
It's still more than Vader or Kronic have done though, and that worries me. Come to think of it, MaHud falls into that category as well. I'd like to hear more about their view, and perhaps get a new angle on this Ejnomad/SootShade-AWdeV fiasco in the process.
Agreed, also about MaHuD, which is worrying.

Right now it feels to me like SootShade is attacking AWdeV in defense of Ejnomad, which seems a bit unnecessary as Ejnomad is clearly willing and able to defend himself. Just picking up vibes...

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in-post: Hey there´s MaHuD...and gone again.n :sad:
 
No, I'm attacking AWdeV because he is a wolf.

At this point I don't think Ejnomad is a villain, but I'm not aiming to defend him.
 
SootShade 说:
No, I'm attacking AWdeV because he is a wolf.
While I see where you´re coming from in your suspicions (even though I don´t share them in particular), I wonder what gives you such certainity this early in the game. I´ve never seen a special that had see-ing abilities on the first day, so I doubt that´s the case. Being aggressive is alright, but you´ve been repeatedly onto AWdeV as if you´ve looked right through him. I don´t know, I´m just not buying the case yet. To me, it looks a bit more as if you found your bashing toy for the early game, which could imply a lot of things...  :???:
 
Basically the reasons I explained allow me to suspect him strongly, and my gut confirms it for me.

A bit like Vulkan's case in Princess Bride, even though I'm not just that sure yet.
 
Quick check in again. I haven't caught up yet, but I do know that some people have criticized ejnomad for attacking me early on. To be clear, I don't think he was attacking me or trying to get me lynched. He was merely critical of my play style, and was careful to note that though he would find my behavior suspicious later in the game, it couldn't be very telling now. I still have to address his reply to me, and I'm sure I'll have a lot to say about the pages I haven't read. Hope to be back in action soon...
 
Adaham 说:
Right now it feels to me like SootShade is attacking AWdeV in defense of Ejnomad, which seems a bit unnecessary as Ejnomad is clearly willing and able to defend himself. Just picking up vibes...

He's playing offensive for wolf lynching not defensive for wolf saving that's for sure and not as you might be suggesting. The very fact I am defending myself has only justified it as so, and it's obvious he's not doing it to defend me as his points were well reasoned and even you can agree AWdeV's points are grossly misconduct of what was really said (Even Magorian the whole person of his original point agrees I wasn't attacking him). While I agree with him it's too early for me to place a vote there with so many players going dark. I'm amazed at how many people sign up and then don't post. A wolf in a pack playing quiet is expected, but I can't tell which one it is with so many lurkers, but I have an idea.

Nodscouter 说:
My lack of contribution is because I still don't have anything significant to contribute.

I'll contribute for you then, Vote: Nodscouter.

You have some explaining to do.

First, you're overly resistant to helping the town and contributing.

Second, when voted for and forced under pressure by others disliking your post history you start our first bandwagon vote containing some vague and obscure point to justify it.

Thirdly, I defend myself to what you said and you've so far ignored it.

Finally, we are back to you playing I can't help the town anymore.

So if you have nothing to say. Why are you still actively voting second on myself? If you can't even rebuttal my explanation why are you still voting for me? Do you have some other reason you are refusing to share with us?

At this point I see two cases for the reason:

1. You're a wolf, and you're going to let AWdeV do your grunt work until his crusade on me is pass or fail at which point you will blame him as your scapegoat or try and claim a personal victory along with him.
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2. You're a wolf, and you've got nothing to pin on anyone because everyone really to you is innocent. Thus, nothing to contribute.

Which is it? 1 or 2? Maybe both?











 
ejnomad07 说:
You have some explaining to do.

First, you're overly resistant to helping the town and contributing.

How exactly? Because I vote on you I am not contributing and resistant to helping?

Second, when voted for and forced under pressure by others disliking your post history you start our first bandwagon vote containing some vague and obscure point to justify it.

1 person, one, single, person, voted for me before you did. One is far from a lynch, so I wasn't exactly under much pressure. I replied because he asked me to reply, and therefore I am a wolf?

Thirdly, I defend myself to what you said and you've so far ignored it.

I put my vote on you to see how you would react. Honestly, you still seem quite jumpy to me and my vote shall remain on you. The other points I take back, but that point still stands.

Finally, we are back to you playing I can't help the town anymore.

Wait what?


 
I see you're being consistent with your reasons for voting, Ejnomad. Namely, being too quiet. Now I'll have to figure out if it's genuine, or if it's a planned retreat because of my suggestion that you and SootShade are in cahoots. It would be a prudent thing to do, but it felt like popping a balloon. Still, I don't want to get all myopic and only be worrying about you two.
And I really want to hear what Vader and Kronic have to say. Missing pieces of the story are no good.
 
Vote: Kronic

The whole time issue thing doesn´t add up. He´s been online as recently as today and is posting all over the board in other games but neglects this here.

Vader isn´t much better either. Has been online today as well, but no posts after his last post here. Too early to call whether it´s conscious lurking, but it smells like he is holding back, and that´s not a good thing.
 
Just wanted to say I'm sorry for not posting for the last few days, but I spent the entire weekend watching the Davis finals. I'll be sure to read through the thread and post tomorrow.
 
That's essentially what Kronic said though, and yet there's been no further reply from him. Hopefully you won't do the same though.
 
Vader has given a clear indication of when to expect a post and I shall hold him to it. What speaks in his favor in comparison to Kronic is that he´s still alive in the other game that´s closing in on a deadline with him as vote-leader. Just like MaHuD he still doesn´t seem to have fully arrived in this game (and Davis Cup doesn´t help  :mad:). MaHuD especially seems to have decided to ignore this here as long as he´s still alive in the other. This doesn´t help, as it really gives no indication whatsoever about their alignment.

It´s time Kronic shows up. He never posts much, but this is ridiculous. I don´t know what kind of policy Frisian has with kicking in replacements, but right now Kronic is dead meat. Maybe Frisian could prod him for starters? It´s not like there´s nothing to go on yet, and it´s neither overwhelming yet. If you don´t post regularly, the amount of stuff to cover becomes less and less overviewable. Experience shows that usually people that don´t post regularly at some point either drop out or if they return, they usually come back with postponing one-liners or expressions of being overwhelmed by what´s going on and having no clear opinion on the matter at hand.

 
Nodscouter 说:
ejnomad07 说:
You have some explaining to do.

First, you're overly resistant to helping the town and contributing.

How exactly? Because I vote on you I am not contributing and resistant to helping?

Strawman argument. Because you've voted and you've failed to show interest in even pursuing that vote. Again you've haven't explained an additional reasons for why you've voted for me nor have you again replied to my counterpoint. Except for your post that voted for me you've really done nothing but give us filler posts to look active. If you can disagree I dare you to quote one.


Nodscouter 说:
Second, when voted for and forced under pressure by others disliking your post history you start our first bandwagon vote containing some vague and obscure point to justify it.

1 person, one, single, person, voted for me before you did. One is far from a lynch, so I wasn't exactly under much pressure. I replied because he asked me to reply, and therefore I am a wolf?

Again you belittle the situation. More than one person was showing distaste for the way you were handling yourself. One person may have voted, but there were plenty more upset with you. Nobody's going to jump on wagons this early. You however have shown yourself quite content with leaching off of AWdeV's work. You're not presenting any cases for your vote, not pursuing your vote, or even defending your vote. When it comes down to it. You've shown yourself to be quite content to just ride this day out on another's work. Waiting for day 2 so you can blame the innocents that in high probability will kill an innocent this day?



Nodscouter 说:
Thirdly, I defend myself to what you said and you've so far ignored it.

I put my vote on you to see how you would react. Honestly, you still seem quite jumpy to me and my vote shall remain on you. The other points I take back, but that point still stands.

The other points you take back? Forgive me but checking your vote upon me I saw really ONE point. So if you take them all back what do you have left for voting for me and what hidden reasons are you hiding? As for seeing how I reacted to your vote and replied to your post and yet you ignored it then so what's different now? Perhaps I'm calling your BS out? You're last remaining point then of keeping your vote on me to see how I react sounds like just a cover to let AWdeV keep doing all the work for you.


Nodscouter 说:
Finally, we are back to you playing I can't help the town anymore.

Wait what?

Nodscouter 说:
**** I forgot to post here earlier, and now it's already 4 pages!

Nodscouter 说:
ejnomad07 说:
Nodscouter 说:
**** I forgot to post here earlier, and now it's already 4 pages!

Yes it is. Welcome to the game Nodscouter. How about giving us your thoughts on the recent developments so far for a start?
No thanks. I'm still very confused about what's going on so I'll wait and see.

Nodscouter 说:
My lack of contribution is because I still don't have anything significant to contribute.

That's half of your total posts here. That last one coming just right before this post I'm replying to. What are you having trouble understanding?





Facemelter 说:
ejnomad07 说:
That coaching is because I don't want a Facemelter this game.

Lets how the Seer drops and I get to replace him.  :wink:

I was wondering if you'd ever read that. :grin:


Dryvus 说:
I see you're being consistent with your reasons for voting, Ejnomad. Namely, being too quiet. Now I'll have to figure out if it's genuine, or if it's a planned retreat because of my suggestion that you and SootShade are in cahoots. It would be a prudent thing to do, but it felt like popping a balloon. Still, I don't want to get all myopic and only be worrying about you two.
And I really want to hear what Vader and Kronic have to say. Missing pieces of the story are no good.

I can't exactly defend myself againt AWdeV when he hasn't posted since I last replied to him now can I? Besides, I don't have to pursue his lynch nor have I ever yet because someone else is making him talk a sufficient amount. I can always switch my vote to him if Troll's argument convinces me, but I'd rather pursue my own scum hunting targets this early thank you.

Granted how he keeps twisting words and blowing things out of proportion screams scum to me, but he could be one very eager innocent.

@MOD

Can we have some prods?
 
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