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[Icey Fresh Werewolf]

Right. Icey is a bit overreacting, and it looks like an OMGUS but I'm not sure if that makes him a villain. He's new and I can kinda see why he'd suspect Adaham. Aggressiveness can be intimidating.

I'm failing to see why people think it's a revenge-vote. I already stated my reasons, and I think my reasons are legitimate, are they not?

 

[Phonemelter]

Sorry for the inactivity. Lack of people posting has caused me to become a bit bored with the game, but it seems to be picking up now.

Both of you have been in the spotlight of Revilo and I honestly don´t believe this was a random kill (as you suggest). If the villains wanted to just shut up the village, there would have been many other targets to go for instead.

I said it is more likely to have been a move to put more suspicion on MaHuD or myself than random. However in the chance it was a random kill, it could have been to silence an active player, which Rev was. There are other targets, but as I said, Rev was active. I don't see what you are getting at.

Thanks for asking, but no. To avoid contributing with "erratic" comments, I've decided to observe the discussion for a while and decide on a suspect. I'll go on scumhunting from there. I do hope you don't mind, though I am sure you do.

So you intend to sit back and let the rest of the village do the work for you? Are you going to wait until your vote no longer matters again? You still haven't explained that vote, by the way. Not only this attitude contributes to the lurker problem, it's also suspicious. You're waiting until the village decides on a suspect to jump on the bandwagon so you can avoid any risk. If you're lucky again, you won't even have to vote to lynch someone using this strategy.

Pretty much hits the nail on the head there Xardob. I also find it ironic he is talking about "scumhunting" when he essentially said he was going to lurk for a while. Those two don't add up. Then seeing as he got called out, he just made this weak attempt to "scumhunt."

Is that the more thorough post that you promised? Because frankly, it isn't very thorough. You write your opinion on two players out of what; 8? 9?

Your posts aren't thorough either. You are just writing short blurbs about three players when there are, pardon me; 8? 9? Hypocrisy much?

@Icey Fresh Werewolf;

You had a very turbulent start, not much to say about that. You're a bit suspicious to me, but thats mostly because of those whom you've inherited your role from. Not much I'd like to say about you, really.

This just seems to be a copy & pate of what has already been said about Icey by Adaham. More the reason to believe this whole post is just to fake your "scumhunting" promise.

@Adaham;

It might just be me, but you've become more aggressive lately. I like it, it gets me in the real scumhunting mood... But really, you do seem to want the best for the village, and then again you yell "Imposter!" at anyone or anything that moves. That could be you seeing wolves everywhere, or it could be you being the wolf trying to convince the innocents to vote on the imaginary wolves. I am not sure yet, so I am going to leave that there. Hopefully I'll see more of you, and you're my primary suspect.

Being aggressive doesn't mean one is a wolf rather than an innocent. Sometimes you need to be aggressive to get people talking. Is this the only reason you are voting for Adaham, because it seems to me you are just trying to find one flaw in someone in order to justify a vote after the disaster of one you made last night.

Vote: Grumph for now. It just seems that you are trying way too hard to seem innocent.

@Xardob;

So you don't feel like posting very much because a bunch(including me, I assume) was lurking. Beginning to lurk yourself doesn't contribute to finding a solution to that problem, does it?

Thanks for the vote by the way, I'd did motivate me to do some scumhunting.

You could say the same about nearly everyone who is playing the game. However, Xardob actually makes well thought out posts and is normally fairly active. The same can't be said for yourself. Calling him out for what you are doing is more hypocrisy.

And what is this business about constantly bringing up the "scumhunting" point? You have basically done none of it, or rather a poor job of it. You just seem to keep mentioning the word because, what, it is a good word to use to make it seem like you are actually trying hard to seem like you are with the village?

 

[Phonemelter]

I just noticed: The vote was supposed to come last; it just got mixed up in the order of what I was quoting.

 

[Grumph]

Sorry for the inactivity. Lack of people posting has caused me to become a bit bored with the game, but it seems to be picking up now.

Is that the more thorough post that you promised? Because frankly, it isn't very thorough. You write your opinion on two players out of what; 8? 9?

Your posts aren't thorough either. You are just writing short blurbs about three players when there are, pardon me; 8? 9? Hypocrisy much?

Never said they would either, did I? AWdeV wrote that he'd write a "more thorough post" and my observations was that the said post wasn't that thorough, as I maybe expected from that statement.

@Icey Fresh Werewolf;

You had a very turbulent start, not much to say about that. You're a bit suspicious to me, but thats mostly because of those whom you've inherited your role from. Not much I'd like to say about you, really.

This just seems to be a copy & pate of what has already been said about Icey by Adaham. More the reason to believe this whole post is just to fake your "scumhunting" promise.

Really?

In a case as blatant as yours, some people might call it a beginners fault, but it´s a pretty scummy thing to do. Might want to bear that in mind.

Didn't say suspect IFW for anything yet, just said he inherited some suspect from his' role's former players. Two others said that too - I could've left it out, but I didn't, because it had been stated you'd rather have erratic comments which didn't contribute much rather than have no comments at all.

@Adaham;

It might just be me, but you've become more aggressive lately. I like it, it gets me in the real scumhunting mood... But really, you do seem to want the best for the village, and then again you yell "Imposter!" at anyone or anything that moves. That could be you seeing wolves everywhere, or it could be you being the wolf trying to convince the innocents to vote on the imaginary wolves. I am not sure yet, so I am going to leave that there. Hopefully I'll see more of you, and you're my primary suspect.

Being aggressive doesn't mean one is a wolf rather than an innocent. Sometimes you need to be aggressive to get people talking. Is this the only reason you are voting for Adaham, because it seems to me you are just trying to find one flaw in someone in order to justify a vote after the disaster of one you made last night.

No, you're right - being aggressive doesn't mean one is wolf rather an innocent - but its still a possibility, and I like others, I presume, would like to keep all possibilities open. Yes, I am just trying to find a flaw, because thats my observation of what this game is about; find the others flaws, investigate the flaws and see if you can find them suspicious.

Also, "disaster of the one you made last night."? That point haven't been taken any further as of now, and I can't see the disaster myself. But fair enough, if thats how you put a fairly unimportant, bandwagoning vote, go ahead. I just can't see how it made any difference - there was enough votes before.

@Xardob;

So you don't feel like posting very much because a bunch(including me, I assume) was lurking. Beginning to lurk yourself doesn't contribute to finding a solution to that problem, does it?

Thanks for the vote by the way, I'd did motivate me to do some scumhunting.

You could say the same about nearly everyone who is playing the game. However, Xardob actually makes well thought out posts and is normally fairly active. The same can't be said for yourself. Calling him out for what you are doing is more hypocrisy.

And what is this business about constantly bringing up the "scumhunting" point? You have basically done none of it, or rather a poor job of it. You just seem to keep mentioning the word because, what, it is a good word to use to make it seem like you are actually trying hard to seem like you are with the village?

Yes, and? I can call everyone innocent, or werewolf, or Igor too. And yes he is "normally fairly active". But the keyword there is "normally", because it doesn't matter what he was back then, active or not, it matters what he is now - still quite active, though telling us he doesn't want to be active as he was/is.

Whats the business with it? Well, I was told to do it some more, and here I am. Maybe I haven't done much, or that which I have done has been poor, but I've done what I've could in said moments, one of them now. And yes, it is a good word for making it seem I am with village but thats not why I used it; I was using it to repeat the order given to me to do some scumhunting.

 

[Xardob]

About Grumph; His superfluous vote on Nodscouter is a bit odd, but not too troubling. It COULD be that he expected Nods' self-vote wouldn't count, for some reason, and wanted to make sure the lynch happened but I don't think that's very likely. The vote is odd at best, but not, in my eyes, an indication of villainy.

Grumph already admitted that he knew his vote wouldn't count, that Nod was already lynched by that time. And the timing isn't the only thing wrong with the vote, the reason was also suspicious. There's only one role that would benefit from placing a meaningless vote with that reason that gives no indication to why the lynched player is a wolf and at the same time doesn't show any apparent concern for the outcome of the lynch.

I'm failing to see why people think it's a revenge-vote. I already stated my reasons, and I think my reasons are legitimate, are they not?

It's easy to imagine that your vote is an OMGUS. Your accusation is very weak, and it's weak because it's extremely vague and generic. An accusation like that can be made against every player in the game effortlessly. If you want us to think otherwise, you'll have to elaborate on what you mean.

I can assure you I am no scum. I am not doing a revenge vote, I'm voting you because I don't like your attitude as I have read your previous posts. You seem to be quick on believing other players are the werewolf.

@Adaham;

It might just be me, but you've become more aggressive lately. I like it, it gets me in the real scumhunting mood... But really, you do seem to want the best for the village, and then again you yell "Imposter!" at anyone or anything that moves. That could be you seeing wolves everywhere, or it could be you being the wolf trying to convince the innocents to vote on the imaginary wolves. I am not sure yet, so I am going to leave that there. Hopefully I'll see more of you, and you're my primary suspect.

That's too similar for me to like it. Both of these accusations are vague and generic, and both rely on calling the target too aggressive, which is something that works relatively well when trying to stir suspicion on the village. The way they're worded could provide an easy way out if the suspicion doesn't stick, there's no solid opinion to pin them down on. They could just they changed their minds and move on. And the fact that really brings my attention to it, it's no the first time there's an interaction like this between the two of them. Cal and Grumph also attacked Nod together.

 

[Icey Fresh Werewolf]

It's easy to imagine that your vote is an OMGUS. Your accusation is very weak, and it's weak because it's extremely vague and generic. An accusation like that can be made against every player in the game effortlessly. If you want us to think otherwise, you'll have to elaborate on what you mean.

Well, it appears that Adaham, at the top of page 35, was in some sort of argument, and he was sort of blaming some people. I may have to do a little more research and go back a few pages before that if this is not all that convincing.

Also, he was rather quick to vote me as being the werewolf at first even though we had no communication. I suppose I can somewhat understand his reason for thinking I was lurking, but it didn't seem something to really vote me for when there were other lurkers.

 

[Phonemelter]

Never said they would either, did I?

No, but nobody gains anything by you making half-assed, vague posts. The only use of that is to seem more active than you really are in the "scumhunt," as you like to say.

This just seems to be a copy & pate of what has already been said about Icey by Adaham. More the reason to believe this whole post is just to fake your "scumhunting" promise.

Really?

....just said he inherited some suspect from his' role's former players. Two others said that too

Considering you answered yourself here, yes.

No, you're right - being aggressive doesn't mean one is wolf rather an innocent - but its still a possibility, and I like others, I presume, would like to keep all possibilities open. Yes, I am just trying to find a flaw, because thats my observation of what this game is about; find the others flaws, investigate the flaws and see if you can find them suspicious.

If you say being aggressive doesn't mean one is either an innocent or a wolf, then why would you base your vote upon that? I was saying you are just trying to pull "flaws" out of thin air in order to show you are actually helping the village.

Also, "disaster of the one you made last night."? That point haven't been taken any further as of now, and I can't see the disaster myself. But fair enough, if thats how you put a fairly unimportant, bandwagoning vote, go ahead. I just can't see how it made any difference - there was enough votes before.

Yet, everyone else sees it as a stupid move." Unimportant bandwagoning vote" is an oxymoron; Intentionally bandwagoning is something a wolf rather than an innocent would do in order to sway the vote count, which is very important to take into consideration. The whole point of being an innocent is to look yourself to find out who is a wolf, not to lynch whoever is the closest to death (or already dead). I don't think your vote was "symbolic" as you put it; I think you didn't know if he was dead or not, so voted on him just to make sure he would be.

Yes, and? I can call everyone innocent, or werewolf, or Igor too. And yes he is "normally fairly active". But the keyword there is "normally", because it doesn't matter what he was back then, active or not, it matters what he is now - still quite active, though telling us he doesn't want to be active as he was/is.

What? I fail to see what point you are trying to grasp. Xardob said he wasn't active because nobody was posting, more or less.

And yes, it is a good word for making it seem I am with village but thats not why I used it; I was using it to repeat the order given to me to do some scumhunting.

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Well, it appears that Adaham, at the top of page 35, was in some sort of argument, and he was sort of blaming some people. I may have to do a little more research and go back a few pages before that if this is not all that convincing.

Also, he was rather quick to vote me as being the werewolf at first even though we had no communication. I suppose I can somewhat understand his reason for thinking I was lurking, but it didn't seem something to really vote me for when there were other lurkers.

"Yeah, so like, Adaham was doing something with some people and something...." You may want to be a bit more specific and quote what you are referring to in order to avoid confusion.

 

[Icey Fresh Werewolf]

Certainly. I think the attack on Revilo was to either put more suspicion on either MaHuD and/or myself, simply put. With my theory yesterday that failed on both accounts and conversation between MaHuD and Revilo, it would seem that by killing Revilo it would be easier to write either of us down as a wolf. It could have been just a random kill of an active player as well, since having lurkers in the mix could make things easier for the wolves/third party, especially if they are the ones lurking.

First off, you seem very fast to brush off the attack as somebody blaming you or MaHuD, which is a purely defensive move, no matter how confident you present it. Which is funny, as MaHuD seems to be brushing off any connection of the two of you. Both of you have been in the spotlight of Revilo and I honestly don´t believe this was a random kill (as you suggest). If the villains wanted to just shut up the village, there would have been many other targets to go for instead.
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And now for something completely different...

...Icey Fresh Werewolf has been reading Fun Stuff after this has reopened and hasn´t posted yet. I´m not sure whether he read the thread already, but usually you don´t sign up for a game and don´t even have a glance at what´s going on. I´m not sure whether he´s an immediate dropout or just continuing the laying low tactics of his predecessors. Anyhow, let´s wake him up...

vote: Icey Dead Werewolf

It appears that he's accusing you of being the wolf, Facemelter.

 

[Phonemelter]

Alright. So how does that tie into your accusation against Adaham? He doesn't openly accuse me of being a wolf; he is just presenting one side of what he sees is going on.

 

[Icey Fresh Werewolf]

He appears to be quick about it, and somewhat aggressive. Not to mention he also accused me rather quickly and was also a bit aggressive in my dispute with him afterwards.

 

[Adaham]

Right guys, I think it´s time we pick this up again before it dies away. We have 2 1/2 days left before the deadline and it´s time to see who is actually left playing. I doubt Regendur will return. I´m also disappointed that Ejnomad hasn´t posted as promised (which means he hasn´t posted game related at all this game day). I hope he doesn´t drop out either, but if not, it´s time he posts something.

Frisianmod: What´s happening with Regendur? Any subs in sight?

Right, for what I haven´t adressed yet.

@Adaham,

Yes it does sound mysterious, I geuss it is. I will need to re-read part of this topic before I can say anything though.

Any update on your re-read? Or anything else you want to bring to the table?

Grumph, nice you´re reading along...anything you´d like to say?

Thanks for asking, but no. To avoid contributing with "erratic" comments, I've decided to observe the discussion for a while and decide on a suspect. I'll go on scumhunting from there. I do hope you don't mind, though I am sure you do.

Why so touchy? I gave my opinion on your style and arguments, but that it is my view of things. If you are convinced of yourself and your arguments, you shouldn´t stop contributing. This looks just hell of a lot like you are laying low suddenly because you feel caught. I was undecided where to go with your statements at first, but your emotional reaction strengthens my suspicion of my you.

I must admit, I really do snap at sneaky backdoors as you also couldn´t resist to include. The bit about "hope you don´t mind, though I´m sure you do" reeks like you´re paving the road to voting me already. And what hypocrisy is that? You just announce you´re going to lean back and just decide that it´s enough to say "hope you don´t mind" and instead putting preemtively the blame on me for minding it.

Honestly, these two lines of you are classic wolf material.

I can assure you I am no scum. I am not doing a revenge vote, I'm voting you because I don't like your attitude as I have read your previous posts. You seem to be quick on believing other players are the werewolf.

Thank you. vote: Adaham

You can assure me much, but I can assure you I am the Holy Virgin Mary, and so you can maybe imagine how "not believing" feels.
For the rest, your explanation of your suspicion on me should be framed and put on the wall. The fact you only seem to be reading the game from the point where you joined it (or maybe the beginning of day 3) adds something extra to this.

As an explanation I might add, that like some other players around, I share the opinion that this game is based on a healthy portion of paranoia. If you are put in a room with a group of people and one of them is a killer, you are not going to sit in the corner thinking nobody is suspicious, but everybody is suspicious. I do suspect people, that´s what we call scumhunting. I have my methods, you don´t have to agree with them, but if you criticize me, give me real reasons or admit that you don´t like the way I put the pressure on you immediately (though you brought that mostly upon yourself, really).

I am not sure if you are aware of my various explanations how I´ve been very suspicious of your predecessors, Kronic and Calodine. You inherited their role, and with that the suspicion. While that pressure wasn´t great, as there was no bandwagon in sight yet, you still reacted in a very defensive way by joining the first waves of Anti-ham sentiment in this game (told ya earlier that MaHuD was probing...see Grumph, see Icy).

While your logic lacks, you try to make up with confidence. Maybe that´s a case of the thing Troll was accusing AWdeV of ("fake confidence")?

Hey all,

Sorry for the disappearance. If it's not my internet down it's my computer that's been acting up keeping me from posting. I will start posting tomorrow when I have access to University computers again.

1 week ago! 

About Grumph; His superfluous vote on Nodscouter is a bit odd, but not too troubling. It COULD be that he expected Nods' self-vote wouldn't count, for some reason, and wanted to make sure the lynch happened but I don't think that's very likely. The vote is odd at best, but not, in my eyes, an indication of villainy. What's worse is his stance now.

I don´t think there´s any reason to further speculate WHY Grumph voted like this, as he pretty much gave a concise view of what his official train of thought was. That´s official, mind you. If we doubt this bait, then the logical conclusion would be that he did it to position himself alongside the majority, probably to avoid getting into the spotlight for not voting. It is also clear he KNEW that his vote was not necessary to kill him. As Xardob pointed out earlier, the similarity to MaHuDs and Regendurs votes on Nod is also pretty blatant. It seems like at least one villain thought that there was a favorable mood in the air for just bandwagoning with a curse attached. One might get away with it in the heat of the deadline.

Now a delicious bit to dissect:

Fair enough.

Calm entrance after being called out by Xardob for his refusal to participate (see above). Stay cool, keep breathing.

First of all;

@AWdeV:

Is that the more thorough post that you promised? Because frankly, it isn't very thorough. You write your opinion on two players out of what; 8? 9?

Ouch. Bad cynism. Actually it´s worse than that, it´s an attempt at being calm and assertive (wolfwhisperer), while standing with both of your feet in buckets of ****. Nothing wrong with being aggressive, nothing wrong with not being perfect as a first timer. But double standards only go that far, I´m not going to let you save your ass with throwing these cheap comments around without even adressing the content.

That being said,
Unvote, Vote: Adaham

Now, the main purpose of the post;

Funny, I really can´t help but feeling like your seemingly casual vote on me was actually the main purpose of the post. Nice distraction, wolfy.

@Icey Fresh Werewolf;

You had a very turbulent start, not much to say about that. You're a bit suspicious to me, but thats mostly because of those whom you've inherited your role from. Not much I'd like to say about you, really.

Besides his bit about me and the nondescript stuff about Xardob and AWdeV, Icy is the only other guy you adress. It is interesting though, that while you handle a certain degree of basic aggression towards AWdeV, Xardob and me, you seem to be almost like a mentor for Icy. Hrm...

@Adaham;

It might just be me, but you've become more aggressive lately. I like it, it gets me in the real scumhunting mood... But really, you do seem to want the best for the village, and then again you yell "Imposter!" at anyone or anything that moves. That could be you seeing wolves everywhere, or it could be you being the wolf trying to convince the innocents to vote on the imaginary wolves. I am not sure yet, so I am going to leave that there. Hopefully I'll see more of you, and you're my primary suspect.

It´s the second or third time now you are adressing me in a jovial manner. The whole bit about me being "more aggressive lately" smells again like probing for some bandwagoning sentiment. It lacks little proof or substance whatsoever, but it´s an easy statement to make. The bit about the "like it..., ...real scumhunting mood" is jovial, just like he did in his first LoS when he adressed me as Inspector L´Adaham. He uses some rhetorics to explain the pros and cons of my supposed behaviour, but he doesn´t actually give any examples of me "yelling "Imposter!" at anyone or anything that moves", neither does he specify what he actually means would be good or not. He´s "not sure yet, so he´s going to leave that there." At the same time I´m his prime suspect.

Sorry, but this pretty much sums up to a fancy "could be this, could be that - vote: Adaham".

@Xardob;

So you don't feel like posting very much because a bunch(including me, I assume) was lurking. Beginning to lurk yourself doesn't contribute to finding a solution to that problem, does it?

Completely ridiculous. I´m not going to say what I want to say because I don´t want to scare away new players, but throwing pointless **** at the players that actually keep this game going is not an appreciated tactics. And if it wasn´t intended to throw **** at Xardob, then it´s was just an utterly pointless thing to post, posting for postings sake. Just like your vote on Nodscouter, I guess...

Thanks for the vote by the way, I'd did motivate me to do some scumhunting.

You know what, you can have another one if you like them so much.

unvote, vote: Grumph

Troll was a bit odd, but not enough to tell. Grumph has turned increasingly scummy in his behaviour during this day and is as good a candidate as Icy, maybe even better for now.

Yes, and? I can call everyone innocent, or werewolf, or Igor too. And yes he is "normally fairly active". But the keyword there is "normally", because it doesn't matter what he was back then, active or not, it matters what he is now - still quite active, though telling us he doesn't want to be active as he was/is.

What a complicated page filler, and I thought I´m long-winded. Basically you´re retelling the story of Xardob voicing motivational problems at times (which we all have), trying to represent it as him wanting to be less active. Funnily enough the only reason you do so is:

Whats the business with it? Well, I was told to do it some more, and here I am. Maybe I haven't done much, or that which I have done has been poor, but I've done what I've could in said moments, one of them now. And yes, it is a good word for making it seem I am with village but thats not why I used it; I was using it to repeat the order given to me to do some scumhunting.

So you´re scumhunting because somebody (Xardob) told you to do so more. But then you turn to the guy that actually prodded you and you tell him "hey, don´t stop contributing". Sorry, but that doesn´t make sense. What does make sense is, that obviously Xardobs vote unsettled you enough to start panicking and frantically trying to paint an innocent picture of you by throwing **** at random.

Well, it appears that Adaham, at the top of page 35, was in some sort of argument, and he was sort of blaming some people. I may have to do a little more research and go back a few pages before that if this is not all that convincing.

Also, he was rather quick to vote me as being the werewolf at first even though we had no communication. I suppose I can somewhat understand his reason for thinking I was lurking, but it didn't seem something to really vote me for when there were other lurkers.

Another instant classic to frame and hang up. The "some sort of argument, and he was sort of blaming some people" (at the top of page 35) is so irrefutable that I honestly don´t know what to tell. Note that this is the point where he basically admits having read the game basically from the top of page 35 on. My suspicions that have formed through the cause of 3 game days are seen as "sudden aggression" because Icy doesn´t get how on earth I could suspect him already on page 35.

And yes, I know Icy is new, but seeing the most blatant OMGUS votes being thrown around, I cannot help but listening to my gut shouting "Wolf!".

Another example:

It appears that he's accusing you of being the wolf, Facemelter.

I really like that one, because it´s the same post in which I voted Icey. In fact, it´s right above it, so at last his search for more proof has yielded results. And yes, Facey is also on my watch-list, but compared to you and Grumph, he´s currently a second-tier suspect. Further explanation looks like this:

He appears to be quick about it, and somewhat aggressive. Not to mention he also accused me rather quickly and was also a bit aggressive in my dispute with him afterwards.

I´d love to be cynical now, but since it´s the last post I´m answering to now, I´m gonna keep it to the point.

Firstly, correct me if I´m wrong, but your "quick about it" seems to be mostly due to the fact that you haven´t read the whole game. If you do, please show me where exactly I´m accusing somebody quickly and how you derive a point of accusation from it. Somewhat aggressive? Get used to it baby, name´s Adaham. On a more serious note, believe me, without aggressive players, these games would be dead. The second bit about me accusing you "rather quickly" and being " bit aggressive afterwards" again seem to be a mixture of painting my suspicion of you as something sudden, while being touchy about my aggression, playing off the victim-of-Adaham role. Stand up to it, you´re after all OMGUS voting me, don´t act like you´re a little kid and I stole your lolly.

Enough for now, man that took forever. Hope that gives at least somebody motivation/inspiration to pick this game up once more.

 

[Adaham]

Yo, sorry for the quote fail. The big box in the end starts with a quote of Grumph and on the second level of quotes are my answers to respective posts. It´s late...

 

[Xardob]

That being said,
Unvote, Vote: Adaham

Now, the main purpose of the post;

Funny, I really can´t help but feeling like your seemingly casual vote on me was actually the main purpose of the post. Nice distraction, wolfy.

What caught my attention in that vote was how it was completely detached from any point related to you in his post. It's so much so, that the vote seems to be random. By doing this, he tries to separate the vote from the reason, perhaps with the intention to give less importance to the reason, as it's weak.

Besides his bit about me and the nondescript stuff about Xardob and AWdeV, Icy is the only other guy you adress. It is interesting though, that while you handle a certain degree of basic aggression towards AWdeV, Xardob and me, you seem to be almost like a mentor for Icy. Hrm...

Good point, I missed that. And it's another interaction between those two that doesn't look good at all. That's must be the third time this game, and I may be missing some more. It's also interesting that the reason he suspects Icy is the one that's floating on the village already. I don't remember Grumph being suspicious of Cal or Kronic to use that as a reason.

The whole bit about me being "more aggressive lately" smells again like probing for some bandwagoning sentiment. It lacks little proof or substance whatsoever, but it´s an easy statement to make.

Playing the aggressive card is always an effective way to get a bandwagon rolling. It isn't enough to get you lynched, but it does get him into an argument with you and, because of this, he seems busy and participating. It's not too different from what Troll did with AWdeV. It's a case based on a completely vague and irrefutable statement that has the potential to carry him through the day as an active member of the scumhunt.

 

[MaHuD]

I haven't re-read, but I can tell you what bothers me....

The following post strikes me as a post that a new player would make when he was the packmate of Facemelter. Ofcourse this doesn't guarentee anything, but new players tend to defend their fellow packmates, and in this case he frowns upon the fact that Face doesn't counter attack.

Certainly. I think the attack on Revilo was to either put more suspicion on either MaHuD and/or myself, simply put. With my theory yesterday that failed on both accounts and conversation between MaHuD and Revilo, it would seem that by killing Revilo it would be easier to write either of us down as a wolf. It could have been just a random kill of an active player as well, since having lurkers in the mix could make things easier for the wolves/third party, especially if they are the ones lurking.

First off, you seem very fast to brush off the attack as somebody blaming you or MaHuD, which is a purely defensive move, no matter how confident you present it. Which is funny, as MaHuD seems to be brushing off any connection of the two of you. Both of you have been in the spotlight of Revilo and I honestly don´t believe this was a random kill (as you suggest). If the villains wanted to just shut up the village, there would have been many other targets to go for instead.
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And now for something completely different...

...Icey Fresh Werewolf has been reading Fun Stuff after this has reopened and hasn´t posted yet. I´m not sure whether he read the thread already, but usually you don´t sign up for a game and don´t even have a glance at what´s going on. I´m not sure whether he´s an immediate dropout or just continuing the laying low tactics of his predecessors. Anyhow, let´s wake him up...

vote: Icey Dead Werewolf

It appears that he's accusing you of being the wolf, Facemelter.

 

[Adaham]

Hm, could be, even though to me it looked more like he was trying to deflect attention onto others. Icy was in a discussion with Facey and this could have been an attempt to move the discussion away (not that I consider this a a villagery move).

Right now I feel there is more indications towards Grumph and Icy being packies than Icy being in cahoots with Facey, but that´s just my point of view.

Glad there´s still some people willing to pick this up! 

 

[Phonemelter]

Just a quick post before I go off to work:

I haven't re-read, but I can tell you what bothers me....

The following post strikes me as a post that a new player would make when he was the packmate of Facemelter. Ofcourse this doesn't guarentee anything, but new players tend to defend their fellow packmates, and in this case he frowns upon the fact that Face doesn't counter attack.

If you read the exchange, you would realize that I asked Icey to specify what he was talking about since his accusation against Adaham was very vague.

 

[Grumph]

Playing the aggressive card is always an effective way to get a bandwagon rolling. It isn't enough to get you lynched, but it does get him into an argument with you and, because of this, he seems busy and participating. It's not too different from what Troll did with AWdeV. It's a case based on a completely vague and irrefutable statement that has the potential to carry him through the day as an active member of the scumhunt.

Indicating that I am not busy and participating? Excuse me, but I think I've defended myself against all the posts you've made against me. Correct me if I am wrong...

@Icey Fresh Werewolf;

You had a very turbulent start, not much to say about that. You're a bit suspicious to me, but thats mostly because of those whom you've inherited your role from. Not much I'd like to say about you, really.

Besides his bit about me and the nondescript stuff about Xardob and AWdeV, Icy is the only other guy you adress. It is interesting though, that while you handle a certain degree of basic aggression towards AWdeV, Xardob and me, you seem to be almost like a mentor for Icy. Hrm...

Mentor? I'd love too, but frankly I don't see myself with a point of experience anywhere near capability to do that. Also, mentoring would need me to be able to communicate with him, which I don't think I can in other ways than this thread...(Assuming I am innocent, that is...)

@Adaham;

It might just be me, but you've become more aggressive lately. I like it, it gets me in the real scumhunting mood... But really, you do seem to want the best for the village, and then again you yell "Imposter!" at anyone or anything that moves. That could be you seeing wolves everywhere, or it could be you being the wolf trying to convince the innocents to vote on the imaginary wolves. I am not sure yet, so I am going to leave that there. Hopefully I'll see more of you, and you're my primary suspect.

@Xardob;

So you don't feel like posting very much because a bunch(including me, I assume) was lurking. Beginning to lurk yourself doesn't contribute to finding a solution to that problem, does it?

Completely ridiculous. I´m not going to say what I want to say because I don´t want to scare away new players, but throwing pointless **** at the players that actually keep this game going is not an appreciated tactics. And if it wasn´t intended to throw **** at Xardob, then it´s was just an utterly pointless thing to post, posting for postings sake. Just like your vote on Nodscouter, I guess...

Wasn't this posting what you asked for?

"erratic" comments aren't bad. They too help in keeping the game running. There is no discussion if everyone withdrew to avoid contributing with their "erratic" comments. Observing discussion is good and well but you can do that AND post. What you're doing now is setting up an excuse to avoid getting called out on lurkery. You're now in a position from where you can simply go with whatever flow there is. You watch what happens, do nothing, then join whatever bandwagon you want.
Posting your comments and discussing them is a hell of a lot better than withdrawing and snooping on your own as it allows you to avoid tunnel-vision, it keeps things going and most importantly ensures you're not simply bandwagoning.

I admit it wasn't you asking for them, but again, a part of the village asking for it. How do you want me to serve?

Thanks for the vote by the way, I'd did motivate me to do some scumhunting.

You know what, you can have another one if you like them so much.

unvote, vote: Grumph

Troll was a bit odd, but not enough to tell. Grumph has turned increasingly scummy in his behaviour during this day and is as good a candidate as Icy, maybe even better for now.

Heh, thanks. I think I'll begin to put them on my shelves for everyone to preview; because hey, I made a vote which didn't count. Oh, and hey, to add up to it; he defends himself! Ofcourse, thats makes me a wolf... Nice thinking there.

Yes, and? I can call everyone innocent, or werewolf, or Igor too. And yes he is "normally fairly active". But the keyword there is "normally", because it doesn't matter what he was back then, active or not, it matters what he is now - still quite active, though telling us he doesn't want to be active as he was/is.

What a complicated page filler, and I thought I´m long-winded. Basically you´re retelling the story of Xardob voicing motivational problems at times (which we all have), trying to represent it as him wanting to be less active. Funnily enough the only reason you do so is:

I'll say just one more time. AWdeV asked for it. But I guess AWdeV isn't a part of the village, and the village infact, only is Adaham and Xardob?

Whats the business with it? Well, I was told to do it some more, and here I am. Maybe I haven't done much, or that which I have done has been poor, but I've done what I've could in said moments, one of them now. And yes, it is a good word for making it seem I am with village but thats not why I used it; I was using it to repeat the order given to me to do some scumhunting.

So you´re scumhunting because somebody (Xardob) told you to do so more. But then you turn to the guy that actually prodded you and you tell him "hey, don´t stop contributing". Sorry, but that doesn´t make sense. What does make sense is, that obviously Xardobs vote unsettled you enough to start panicking and frantically trying to paint an innocent picture of you by throwing **** at random.

Why exactly doesn't that make sense? 

 

[Grumph]

---Sorry for the double post, but "@Adaham;

It might just be me, but you've become more aggressive lately. I like it, it gets me in the real scumhunting mood... But really, you do seem to want the best for the village, and then again you yell "Imposter!" at anyone or anything that moves. That could be you seeing ...."  quote in the middle isn't supposed to be there. Ignore it if you will, don't if you won't.

 

[Icey Fresh Werewolf]

You can assure me much, but I can assure you I am the Holy Virgin Mary, and so you can maybe imagine how "not believing" feels.
For the rest, your explanation of your suspicion on me should be framed and put on the wall. The fact you only seem to be reading the game from the point where you joined it (or maybe the beginning of day 3) adds something extra to this.

-Then where should I read? Do you have any particular posts that might change my mind? I don't remember seeing any. I did read a couple pages before, you didn't post for about 3 pages though.

As an explanation I might add, that like some other players around, I share the opinion that this game is based on a healthy portion of paranoia. If you are put in a room with a group of people and one of them is a killer, you are not going to sit in the corner thinking nobody is suspicious, but everybody is suspicious. I do suspect people, that´s what we call scumhunting. I have my methods, you don´t have to agree with them, but if you criticize me, give me real reasons or admit that you don´t like the way I put the pressure on you immediately (though you brought that mostly upon yourself, really).

-Yes, obviously the game is based on paranoia. However, I thought it seemed strange that you were being rather aggressive, and, as I've said many times, you quickly voted me. Maybe too much paranoia? I'm sorry if this still seems very unconvincing, I'm not exactly a man of words, and I'm no expert at this game. I gave you real reasons, I fail to see why you think them fake. It further strengthens my thinking that you may be a wolf.

I am not sure if you are aware of my various explanations how I´ve been very suspicious of your predecessors, Kronic and Calodine. You inherited their role, and with that the suspicion. While that pressure wasn´t great, as there was no bandwagon in sight yet, you still reacted in a very defensive way by joining the first waves of Anti-ham sentiment in this game (told ya earlier that MaHuD was probing...see Grumph, see Icy).

I did read your explanations, and I understood them, but I still found a certain unnatural aggressive tone to them. As was what happened when you voted for me.

While your logic lacks, you try to make up with confidence. Maybe that´s a case of the thing Troll was accusing AWdeV of ("fake confidence")?

-I don't believe my logic is lacking. Also, you are still being aggressive. You are aggressive and quick to blame me, and I didn't even find your reason for blaming me very logical. Just because someone is lurking, it won't mean that they are the wolf right away, when there are others who are also rather suspicious. I suppose I should also explain my reasoning for lurking. It was actually a mistake, as I looked at the deadlines and the deadline said January 3rd, which was before I signed up. I thought that it must have been night, and I just got confused as it said Day Two on the thread's name yet it was day 3 on the topic post. I'm sorry if my explanation didn't really make sense, I suppose you could say I had a brain fart at that time, yet I won't blame you if you still decide that I must be the wolf.

I haven't re-read, but I can tell you what bothers me....

The following post strikes me as a post that a new player would make when he was the packmate of Facemelter. Ofcourse this doesn't guarentee anything, but new players tend to defend their fellow packmates, and in this case he frowns upon the fact that Face doesn't counter attack.

I was not defending Facemelter, I simply stated that he was blaming Facemelter, I guess I should have elaborated more upon that. I thought he was being aggressive in the attack.

 

[Adaham]

Okay, I don´t feel like getting into huge quote wars, especially with a deadline nearing.

@ Grumph:

In your post you repeatedly stress that AWdeV also asked for your contributions (and I actually did so, too). But it remains firmly written that you said yourself in reply to Xardob

Thanks for the vote by the way, I'd did motivate me to do some scumhunting.

You are contradicting yourself here by claiming that you were refering to AWdeV rather than Xardob.

@ Icy

Your logic is appaling:

I was not defending Facemelter, I simply stated that he was blaming Facemelter, I guess I should have elaborated more upon that. I thought he was being aggressive in the attack.

Isn´t the nature of an attack aggressive, as opposed to the defense being defensive? Also, does "elaborating more" mean anything else for you besides calling something aggressive?

As to the part of rereading. Basically it would be nice if you would read the whole game up to date, so that you know what has happened and why people are suspicious of each other. If you don´t read the whole game, at least from day 2 on. Jumping in and reading back three pages probably isn´t enough to understand why I am suspicious of you right off the bat, especially if by chance you happen to read three pages without a post from me, which I honestly believe to be a rarity. Anyhow, I had a lot of previous suspicion on your character and your stance since entering the game hasn´t convinced me to think otherwise.

If you don´t want to read back and inform yourself, then don´t use your lack of information as a justification for an unjust accusation. My attack on you is not sudden, Kronic and Calodine where on my radar and my gut still thinks that your replacement was what delayed the night. And I am not going to doubt my accusations only because of replacement, I´ve seen too many games where wolves were replaced twice and lurked throughout. I´m always willing, though, to see what somebody has to bring to the table. Alas, most of what you bring smells canine.
@ FRISIANMOD: ARE YOU STILL READING THIS??? CAN WE HAVE A VOTE-COUNT??? HOW ABOUT THE REPLACEMENTS??? WITH TWO PEOPLE MISSING COMPLETELY, WE HAVE 6 PEOPLE MORE OR LESS AROUND WITH 5 NEEDED FOR A LYNCH. THIS IS GETTING HARD.

Also I´m not sure if you missed it because of the quote-fail, but I did

unvote, vote: Grumph

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@ Everybody:

Considering the deadline is really nearing in, I´d suggest everyone gives their potential lynch targets, especially the more secretive players like MaHuD.

I´m really confused what to do about Ejnomad, but for now I consider Grumph and Icy my two choices for the day, with a slight edge towards Grumph.

Anybody alternative suggestions?