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Nodscouter 说:
Grumph 说:
DISCLAIMER; I am very tired and have a bad headache, so bear with me if it makes little or no sense at all.

Well, heres my LoS and observations for at start.

Listed in no particular order...

@Revilo;

Your case against MaHud seems... Desperate, at the least. Then again I have to agree with you in some points and cases, which annoys me much. I don't feel any particular bad vibes, but on the other side I don't feel any particular good vibes from you either, which sets in you some neutral stalemate for me. Because I can see and understand your points, but I don't like them. I am going to stick with you as a potential suspect.

@Nodscouter;

What do you expect? In a game like this you need to pull yourself together and create some contributive posts which can be used for discussion. If you are innocent, as you claim, its in your interest that the village gets some discussion going and maybe get together about suspecting someone - infact they've already done that, problem is for you that you are that someone. I'd like a non-provoked post of length from you describing your suspicions to greater detail in updated version. As I see it you're lurking a bit too much. Not high on the list, but definately suspected.

@AWdeV;

You started by posting very aggressively, and then, you ride the ****-storm off and now you don't seem to contribute just as much as you did before... Why is that I wonder?

How is Revilo's case desperate? As I've seen it, Revilo posted some THEORIES about the ''attack'' on MaHuD during the night, which MaHuD then seemed to misinterpret a bit which then Revilo defended himself against. How is that in any way desperate?
A theory is still an attack. It skews opinion and lends credence to a vote. This is somewhat obvious. The theories were bad, bad enough they they look more like digging to find something than actually presenting stuff as-is. THis is, by definition, desperate.
Excuse me? There's only a few people that actually suspect me being the wolf, it's not like the whole ****ing village is trying to get me lynched. As I see it, Ejnomad and to a smaller extent MaHuD is alot more under suspicion than me.
Sorry to bust your bubble here but...
AWdeV might be under posting restrictions, as he has been accused several times and have yet not responded to it. It's quite likely that he's not allowed to post because someone saved him during the night or something.
There is no possible situation where we lack a confirmed villain with post restriction where this is remotely likely. What you described is lurking. You happen to be fond of this yourself, albiet in a more active manner.
 
Nodscouter 说:
Grumph 说:
DISCLAIMER; I am very tired and have a bad headache, so bear with me if it makes little or no sense at all.

Well, heres my LoS and observations for at start.

Listed in no particular order...

@Revilo;

Your case against MaHud seems... Desperate, at the least. Then again I have to agree with you in some points and cases, which annoys me much. I don't feel any particular bad vibes, but on the other side I don't feel any particular good vibes from you either, which sets in you some neutral stalemate for me. Because I can see and understand your points, but I don't like them. I am going to stick with you as a potential suspect.

@Nodscouter;

What do you expect? In a game like this you need to pull yourself together and create some contributive posts which can be used for discussion. If you are innocent, as you claim, its in your interest that the village gets some discussion going and maybe get together about suspecting someone - infact they've already done that, problem is for you that you are that someone. I'd like a non-provoked post of length from you describing your suspicions to greater detail in updated version. As I see it you're lurking a bit too much. Not high on the list, but definately suspected.

@AWdeV;

You started by posting very aggressively, and then, you ride the ****-storm off and now you don't seem to contribute just as much as you did before... Why is that I wonder?

How is Revilo's case desperate? As I've seen it, Revilo posted some THEORIES about the ''attack'' on MaHuD during the night, which MaHuD then seemed to misinterpret a bit which then Revilo defended himself against. How is that in any way desperate?

Excuse me? There's only a few people that actually suspect me being the wolf, it's not like the whole ******** village is trying to get me lynched. As I see it, Ejnomad and to a smaller extent MaHuD is alot more under suspicion than me.

AWdeV might be under posting restrictions, as he has been accused several times and have yet not responded to it. It's quite likely that he's not allowed to post because someone saved him during the night or something.

So if I make a theory about you being the wolf, I am not attacking you?

And as I see it, there is quite a few who suspects you. Might just be me who gets the wrong signals, but whatever thought you like the best.

Posting restriction, or lurking. It could be both, I dunno. I just started, but in the (two) other WW threads I read, there wasn't any posting restrictions really. And how would he not be able to post because someone saved him during the night? Wouldn't it make more sense if it was someone who attacked him during the night?
 
AWdev admitted to lurking, so that's that and I'm dropping that point.
Grumph 说:
Nodscouter 说:
Grumph 说:
DISCLAIMER; I am very tired and have a bad headache, so bear with me if it makes little or no sense at all.

Well, heres my LoS and observations for at start.

Listed in no particular order...

@Revilo;

Your case against MaHud seems... Desperate, at the least. Then again I have to agree with you in some points and cases, which annoys me much. I don't feel any particular bad vibes, but on the other side I don't feel any particular good vibes from you either, which sets in you some neutral stalemate for me. Because I can see and understand your points, but I don't like them. I am going to stick with you as a potential suspect.

@Nodscouter;

What do you expect? In a game like this you need to pull yourself together and create some contributive posts which can be used for discussion. If you are innocent, as you claim, its in your interest that the village gets some discussion going and maybe get together about suspecting someone - infact they've already done that, problem is for you that you are that someone. I'd like a non-provoked post of length from you describing your suspicions to greater detail in updated version. As I see it you're lurking a bit too much. Not high on the list, but definately suspected.

@AWdeV;

You started by posting very aggressively, and then, you ride the ****-storm off and now you don't seem to contribute just as much as you did before... Why is that I wonder?

How is Revilo's case desperate? As I've seen it, Revilo posted some THEORIES about the ''attack'' on MaHuD during the night, which MaHuD then seemed to misinterpret a bit which then Revilo defended himself against. How is that in any way desperate?

Excuse me? There's only a few people that actually suspect me being the wolf, it's not like the whole ******** village is trying to get me lynched. As I see it, Ejnomad and to a smaller extent MaHuD is alot more under suspicion than me.

AWdeV might be under posting restrictions, as he has been accused several times and have yet not responded to it. It's quite likely that he's not allowed to post because someone saved him during the night or something.

So if I make a theory about you being the wolf, I am not attacking you?

What the **** are you talking about?
 
Nodscouter 说:
AWdev admitted to lurking, so that's that and I'm dropping that point.
Grumph 说:
Nodscouter 说:
Grumph 说:
DISCLAIMER; I am very tired and have a bad headache, so bear with me if it makes little or no sense at all.

Well, heres my LoS and observations for at start.

Listed in no particular order...

@Revilo;

Your case against MaHud seems... Desperate, at the least. Then again I have to agree with you in some points and cases, which annoys me much. I don't feel any particular bad vibes, but on the other side I don't feel any particular good vibes from you either, which sets in you some neutral stalemate for me. Because I can see and understand your points, but I don't like them. I am going to stick with you as a potential suspect.

@Nodscouter;

What do you expect? In a game like this you need to pull yourself together and create some contributive posts which can be used for discussion. If you are innocent, as you claim, its in your interest that the village gets some discussion going and maybe get together about suspecting someone - infact they've already done that, problem is for you that you are that someone. I'd like a non-provoked post of length from you describing your suspicions to greater detail in updated version. As I see it you're lurking a bit too much. Not high on the list, but definately suspected.

@AWdeV;

You started by posting very aggressively, and then, you ride the ****-storm off and now you don't seem to contribute just as much as you did before... Why is that I wonder?

How is Revilo's case desperate? As I've seen it, Revilo posted some THEORIES about the ''attack'' on MaHuD during the night, which MaHuD then seemed to misinterpret a bit which then Revilo defended himself against. How is that in any way desperate?

Excuse me? There's only a few people that actually suspect me being the wolf, it's not like the whole ******** village is trying to get me lynched. As I see it, Ejnomad and to a smaller extent MaHuD is alot more under suspicion than me.

AWdeV might be under posting restrictions, as he has been accused several times and have yet not responded to it. It's quite likely that he's not allowed to post because someone saved him during the night or something.

So if I make a theory about you being the wolf, I am not attacking you?

What the **** are you talking about?

The bolded part...
 
The thing was, revilo ddin't say that MaHuD was a wolf, or even suggested it. He just said that the attack could have been used as an alibi IF he was a wolf which he never suggested MaHuD was.
 
Sorry for the inactivity. I looked back a little to refresh my mind. Here goes a little post:

Nodscouter 说:
AWdeV might be under posting restrictions

Copying an idea already talked about and pretty much said pointless. Trying to sound smarter?

While I have stated before that Nod should be delt with carefully, but even I am starting to think he is really wolfy:

Nodscouter 说:
Revilo, I doubt he's a wolf. I think he's done quite a bit of scumhunting and his arguments are generally quite solid.

Nodscouter 说:
The thing was, revilo ddin't say that MaHuD was a wolf, or even suggested it. He just said that the attack could have been used as an alibi IF he was a wolf which he never suggested MaHuD was.

For some reason, it seems like Nod is trying hard to protect Revilo when Rev isn't even in much danger. Now, I don't want to call "packies" yet, but it seems like a possiblity:

Rev complains that MaHuD didn't vote for Ej on the first day - a bit wolfy. Nod seems to only want Ej dead before doing anything else - a bit wolfy. Nod keeps supporting Rev's theory about MaHuD and says Rev is innocent - maybe a connection between the two. Both voted for Ej on Day 1 IIRC - its not unlikely for a wolfpack to do so to push a lynch.

My theory may seem far-fetched, but a possiblity with how Nod is acting today. He still "knows" Ej is a wolf, apparently. I guess he "knows" Rev is innocent too?

Vote: Nodscouter for the time being.
 
I see you like twisting my words facie?

I was pretty sure that would come up sooner or later that I was ''defending'' revilo, but seriously? I never said ''Yea, revilo is definitely innocent no matter what, there is no ****ing chance in hell that he's a wolf'' which you seem so eager to bend it to. I said that it wasn't overly likely that he was based on his arguments and the like. And I never ''copied'' the idea, I just agreed with the one who said it first and thought I'd bring it up again. And me defending revilo is just ****ing silly. I just asked what part of revilo's argument was off as I myself didn't see it. And xardob asked ME what I thought of revilo, so guess what? I answered. Whoa, big ****ing surprise there huh?
 
It seems you have also become more aggressive recently. Does constant profanity somehow makes your arguements stronger?  :lol:

But seriously, if you thought the issue of someone saying that you were defending Revilo would come up, why didn't you address it earlier?
 
Facemelter 说:
It seems you have also become more aggressive recently. Does constant profanity somehow makes your arguements stronger?  :lol:

Well excuuuse me for being tired.

But seriously, if you thought the issue of someone saying that you were defending Revilo would come up, why didn't you address it earlier?

Because then everyone would have voted me because I would seem desperate to defend myself?
 
Okay, lets rewind here.

Nodscouter 说:
And xardob asked ME what I thought of revilo, so guess what? I answered.

I know this, but you are constantly defending Revilo it seems.
 
I have been making arguments that have benefited him for what? 0.5-1 page now? That hardly qualifies as constantly, but if it bothers you that much that I'm making arguments, I will stop.
 
Nodscouter 说:
The thing was, revilo ddin't say that MaHuD was a wolf, or even suggested it. He just said that the attack could have been used as an alibi IF he was a wolf which he never suggested MaHuD was.
But if it was really as vague as you state it, it´s even more so a reason to suspect Revilo for throwing out baits, which could very well be a scum strategy.
 
Xardob 说:
Where's Ejnomad? He complains a lot about the lack of activity and now that we finally have some, he disappears? And Adaham, any update on that post of yours?

He's been dying from the worst case of influenza he thinks he's ever had. It has really drained my willpower to do anything so I'm sorry to everyone for my lack of activity. I'll try to get some post up in the morning, but for now I'm going to bed.
 
The deadline is approaching, so it's time to lay my suspicions clearly.

My top suspects are AWdeV, Facemelter and Calodine.

AWdeV has focused on Ej the entire game and didn't raise point against anyone else the entire game. It's like he's using this suspicion to hide from the rest of the game. Note how quiet he gets when the discussion moves away from Ej. He's found a comfortable place to act like he's scumhunting, a place where the majority of the village is with him, and disappears when there's something new required from him. This is evident on his opinion about MaHuD. On the same line he doesn't like MaHuD's reason to vote him, then doubt MaHuD is a wolf, then he's not sure. He doesn't take a clear position. It's also interesting that the great part of that same post was returning to a discussion long dead with Nomad. And he doesn't even bring a new point, just the possibility of having one or two packs in the game.

Next one is Cal. I'm suspicious of him comes from Kronic, though Cal hasn't done much to improve my opinion of him. Kronic was basically a no show on the first day. His had only two posts worthy of discussion. His giant post is the most interesting. Although it has a lot of words, there's very little substance there. It's mostly meaningless stuff or agreements with other players. This could be easily an attempt to create the illusion that he's getting involved in the discussion without committing too much. On the same post, he says his top suspect is Ej but never gets to say why. His other post is a handfull of thoughts on a few random players. There isn't much there, but there is on interesting information. Kronic asked Ej to address the points he made about him but didn't give much attention to it once Ej did it. At the end of the day, Kronic voted, a vote that was vital to start the bandwagon, but never explained his reason. Now that I covered Kronic, let's get to Cal. What he has posted so far doesn't impress me, it's mostly neutral stuff. The only suspect he named, he said he was going to hold off for now. Again, an attitude that avoids committing himself to anything.

The final one is Facemelter. The attitude that I find most suspicious about his is the he refuses to stick to a point or pursue it further. It seems everytime he posts, it's about the topic being discussed at the time, he hardly brings something new or get back to one of his previous points. I already addressed his vote on Rev and the fact that he basically dropped the subject on the second day, but the fact that he now chooses to ignore some shaky logic that Rev presented to instead focus on Nod is even more suspicious. He again goes for the topic at hand and totally ignore his previous suspicion. The fact that he suggested that Nod and Rev are on the same pack feels more like an excuse to attack Nod than honest suspicion against Rev. I'd also like to point out the irony present here. The reason he voted Rev on the first day was because he thought Rev was trying to get a bandwagon on an easy target. Now he attacks that same easy target, accusing him of being Rev's packmate. There's something very inconsistent here.
 
ejnomad07 说:
Xardob 说:
Where's Ejnomad? He complains a lot about the lack of activity and now that we finally have some, he disappears? And Adaham, any update on that post of yours?

He's been dying from the worst case of influenza he thinks he's ever had. It has really drained my willpower to do anything so I'm sorry to everyone for my lack of activity. I'll try to get some post up in the morning, but for now I'm going to bed.
First MaHuD, then you. I surely hope this isn't spreading through this game. Anyway, get better soon.
 
The reason I went for Nod instead of Rev is becuase Nod's reaction would be a better indicator of if they are packies, to test my theory. Rev is obviously the more level-headed player, and could probably handle the situation with a calm disposition. Nod, on the other hand, doesn't seem to deal with these situations well. If they were to be packies, I would assume that in his reaction there would be more flaws. His reaction was violent, to an extend, and apparently knew the issue of defending Rev's agruements would come up, yet he didn't explain that.

Now to address some of your other points:

Xardob 说:
It seems everytime he posts, it's about the topic being discussed at the time, he hardly brings something new or get back to one of his previous points.

I am pretty sure my last post brought up something that is new, or rather, a new interpretation of an old subject. Most of the players aren't bringing up anything "new" per say either, if thats what you think of it. Also, why is discussing what is at hand a bad thing? I am sorry I only looked back five pages to refresh my memory, but a lot of what was going on at the start of Day 2 never struck me as too strange.

I already addressed his vote on Rev and the fact that he basically dropped the subject on the second day, but the fact that he now chooses to ignore some shaky logic that Rev presented to instead focus on Nod is even more suspicious. He again goes for the topic at hand and totally ignore his previous suspicion.

Well first off, you would complain by looking at Rev's logic that I wouldn't be presenting anything new  :wink:. More seriously, I am not ignoring my previous suspicion; where did I say that? I talked about Rev, did I not? I said he is still suspicious, did I not? As mentioned in the first paragraph I wrote in this post, I pursued Nod becuase I think his reaction would be a bit more telling. It is obvious I still have suspicions of Rev because he was mad Ej didn't get lynched so goes blabbing off about how MaHuD is suspicious for not killing a guy. I find that strange, especially since another person who wanted Ej dead is now agreeing with everything he is saying.

The reason he voted Rev on the first day was because he thought Rev was trying to get a bandwagon on an easy target. Now he attacks that same easy target, accusing him of being Rev's packmate. There's something very inconsistent here.

Things change between days, but looking back on it, Revs arguement against Nod on Day 1 wasn't too strong. Packies occassionally will vote on each other, so it isn't strange that such a thing would happen. Plus, in the end Rev changed his vote to Ej. He ignored past suspicion of Nod to try and go for the most likely lynch.
 
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