I thought the deadline was already up? When is it ending then?
Heh? If I wanted a bandwagon on Whoopin don't you think I'd have voted on him by now?Moss said:There comes a point where you begin to wonder if somebody is just failing to get your point, or is actually trying to straw man you. I'm finding it pretty damn hard to believe you missed the two separate times where I pointed out that people had other reasons to be suspicious of Whoopin. It's starting to feel less like a problem with what I'm saying and more that you're trying to run interference on comments that might weaken the bandwagon.FrisianDude said:@Moss, I understand what you mean a bit better now, thanks for the explanation, however, I don't think that brushing all suspicions on Whoopin into one 'suspicious because suspicious' heap is quite justified.
You don't seem to have any reasons, please explain yourself.Bulle said:That's a bandwagon I can put my vote on!
vote: Eternal
Hojo said:Apologies for my recent lull in activity, I was very busy over the weekend.
Firstly, what the **** is going on with Whoopin? He has done nothing but defend himself for most of the game, even after people accepted that he was probably just wrong, not evil. He has divided the village into "Anti-Whoopin" and "Pro-Whoopin" and has failed to explain himself with any modicum of logic or sense. His arguments are weak and he seems paranoid and jumpy. Is this how the great Whoopin plays, or is this how he deals with his new found villainy?
Lines like this:
Are complete nonsense. Eternal has been far less defensive than Whoopin, who offers no reasons at all for his disagreements, and has painted Eternal as a villain without any valid justification, as far as I can see.Whoopin said:Eternal - ever since his first nonjoke post that contained AntiWhoopin, he played very defensively and was noticeable when I mentioned the Unvote and clearly got aggravated playing werewolf debates with me. I dont agree with Greatsword, Estonian, and Calodine entries in his LoS.
His theory that Eternal's sarcasm was somehow a subtle name drop of the wolves seems to be the keystone of this argument, and is patently rubbish. No wolf would ever feel the need to point out the random happenstance of all their packmates names appearing together on the roster.
Whoopin appears to be floundering and I cannot see any reason for an innocent to be doing so just now. As such,
Vote: Whoopin.
Nice to see some of our replacements being active now, AWdeV seems to have a good grasp of events so far and I look forward to some good hunting from him.
Vieira still seems very suspect to me, especially given his complete dropping of the game. I would still have my vote on him, but Whoopin has sunk several levels in my eyes.
Face is interesting. As others have noted, he seems to be defending Whoopin an inordinate amount. It is almost as though he doesn't want his packmate to go down. Other than this, though, I don't have much on him. I'll keep him in mind and see what happens.
Damnit John... So many replacements.
Moss said:One thing that I have noticed is that a lot of people seem to be basing their suspicion of Whoopin on how strange it is for a 'great' player to end up the target of a first day lynch.
Hojo said:Is this how the great Whoopin plays, or is this how he deals with his new found villainy?
Yes, it is. Observe, bolded for clarity:Magorian Aximand said:Erm, that's not what he said.
Moss said:One thing that I have noticed is that a lot of people seem to be basing their suspicion of Whoopin on how strange it is for a 'great' player to end up the target of a first day lynch.
FrisianDude said:I'm going to have to ask how a good player can be made into an easy target?
Someone like John. was an easy target, but Whoopin? Big target, perhaps, but not an easy one.Hojo said:Is this how the great Whoopin plays, or is this how he deals with his new found villainy?AWdeV said:Although I do wonder how a super player can end up in that position. Oh, he wasn't being careful enough. He's just being whoopin.
Yeah, or he's being a villain for the very first time and tries to use his reputation from earlier games as a shield.
Moss said:AWdeV said:Although I do wonder how a super player can end up in that position. Oh, he wasn't being careful enough. He's just being whoopin.
Yeah, or he's being a villain for the very first time and tries to use his reputation from earlier games as a shield.
Which seems like a pretty hollow fallacy to me. Ignoring the fact that much like Adaham he has a reputation as a skilled player not because of self-preservation or for playing well with others but because of his aggressiveness and antagonism in his hunting, insinuating that he's a villain because you think he's incompetently drawing massive amounts of attention to himself is... confusing to say the least.
No. Mag raised the point that I was 'sure' about Bgfan and I said that yes, but Bgfan was an exception for being an idiot. Being good does not make Whoopin evil-proof.Moss said:Wait, so you're saying that Whoopin is a villain, because he's too good a player to act in a way you find suspicious. Therefore because he's acting suspicious he must be a wolf.