Dago Wolfrider said:Xardob said:Set phasers to kill
Guess I am enough sure now, SootShade or Brutus?
Damn huge thumb and small mobile phone screen.
Dago Wolfrider said:Xardob said:Set phasers to kill
Guess I am enough sure now, SootShade or Brutus?
I've not 'very quickly' become convinced that you're scum. I think your assessment of me and Curio is quite correct, but that is the problem with good players – they can sound very reasonable even as wolves. The issue is that you're pressing a lynch on me based on a flimsy, far-fetched reason while constantly dismissing my counter-arguments for it. So the main issue with me, in your opinion, lies in this:SootShade said:It's definitely a possibility that occurs to me, and the way that the both of you are acting isn't convincing me otherwise. It's pretty convenient how your heated discussion just didn't justify a vote either way, and the second that I stepped in to put some scrutiny on it - and you again acknowledge the validity of my argument that it was a whole lot of hot air in the first place - you've both very quickly become convinced that I'm scum instead.
I was initially wary of the Xardob bandwagon for reasons I've repeatedly explained. I remained wary of him because of his silence as a veteran player. Similar to how I was very suspicious of Marowit and was willing to lynch both of them at one point on day one. You can keep repeating how suspicious my suspicion of Xardob was, but that doesn't make it true.Soot's post where he voted me said:But more importantly, your stance on Xardob is only getting weirder. I was initially just confused by the attention that Xardob was getting. It seemed to me that over any other lurker he was the focus of several player's early suspicions, even though none of them substantiated those suspicions to any real degree. It appeared like an easy suspicion for a lazy wolf, which I called out.
I'm more than happy to respond to any of the arguments you have against me. Saying everything I do reeks of scum isn't going to change the fact that your case is weak and relyies on people to trust your judgment rather than making their own conclusions, which is actually understandable as I was the one relying on your and Eternal's judgment of Curio. I believe I've responded to all four of your main arguments for voting for me, you've simply chose to ignore my explanation for voting Curio, but I'll do it again just for your own sake.Soot said:I'm not going to keep waffling on about the least of the four arguments in my case against you, Jock. The fact is that you've already completely acknowledged the validity of another two of them, so it really doesn't matter how many times you repeat how supposedly weak my case is, or get hung up on particular distinctions that I brought up specifically to differentiate you from Crassius. Everything about the way you are responding here stinks of scum.
I mean, come on, you've been setting us (me) up for this attack since day one after you hammered an innocent:Soot's arguments said:I've got a few notable issues with Jock. I'm still uneasy about his suspicion on Xardob, and though the turn on Arch3r seems better than Crassius it's still not a great look in my book. - I was suspicious of Xardob because of his apparent unwillingness to contribute to the game early on. I voted Arch3r because I didn't have faith in getting any of my other two suspects – Dago and Eternal – lynched at that point. What is your stance on Brutus, by the way?
I'm not a fan of how widely he's theorizing, apparently refusing to use the information we have right now, as that would be in a villain's interest, but at the same time I'm still quite torn on Moose and Rocco myself. – This is how I have always played the game and I'd say this is by far the most difficulties I've had with making sense of what's going on, mostly because of the abilities and Moose-Rocco claiming to be lovers/innocents. It doesn't help that I've got three votes on me which I need to respond to.
Most notably the way Jock turned on Crassius on day 2 stinks of him trying to save his own hide, even though it was done rather smoothly. – ??? When I was ever in danger at the start of day two? Please re-read the second day. I was only mentioned as possible suspects by Xardob and Moose, there wasn't any real pressure nor the need to save my own hide at that point. After that Moose apparently considered me very scummy, to which I responded – mostly with confusion about whether he actually has any real arguments. That said I did let myself be misguided by Eternal's case for Curio and Soot backing him up seemed to make it even more possible. If you actually take notice and read the posts I've responded to Moose about his vote on me exactly once, instead focusing on Dago, Curio and you, who I considered more important than one misguided innocent and a possible scum voting me.
You did post early day 2 how my vote on Arch3r seemed less suspicious than anyone else's. In fact you've been very adamant about making it clear how much more suspicious Curio seemed until the big analysis to which I responded to quite aggressively, which you might not have expected. Your early analysis' of both of us ended quite conveniently, leaving you with the option to base your actual vote on our responses to you.
SootShade said:That said, if Arch3r flips blue then this wagon, and possibly it's overlap with the Xardob wagon, are the first things to look at. I'm not a fan of Crassius and Jock (didn't get on the Xardob wagon, but was positioning himself for it) later in the day. And Rocco, whilst I'll feel a lot better about him if Arch3r's scum, is still near the top of my list.
Funny. This is exactly what I say about you.SootShade said:Also, if your scum read on me is solely based on a pack theory connecting me and Jock, and specifically the behaviour on his side, you can feel free to vote Jock whenever. We can start seriously discussing which on of us is a packmate after we are both satisfied with the obvious scum being dead.
At least if you don't vote Soot he's definitely going to hang tomorrow. If you look at his play so far knowing that I'm innocent, it's pure scum.Xardob said:I'm not that certain on Curio, but I'd be happy to lynch Dago, Eternal or Jock, so I guess we agree for today.
How and why is this interesting? In previous days I was lynched quickly because I didn't even have time to defend myself properly. The last part of your post is suddenly cautious. It didn't seem an issue when you and Moose laid votes on me earlier based on simple gut reads.Roccoflipside said:It is quite interesting that, with only two votes to lynch, no one else has joined the train. I know it's still a little early, but both previous day two Jock lynchings happened quite quickly, so there is some food for thought. I do understand the innocents being cautious as well, as we are starting to run out of innocents. If we lynch a blue today, and the wolves get a night kill, well only be one innocent kill away from losing. Just some more food for thought.
I've used the same tactic as a wolf, trying to gain the trust of veteran players by implying I'm convinced of their innocence from the start. Now that's food for thought, Rocco.SootShade said:I found your, and pretty much everyone else's, suspicion on Xardob strange from the start, as I pointed out earlier.Jock said:That's a ****ty reason, Soot. I was against lynching a guy straight off the bat day one and I dislike early bandwagons because of how easy it is for people to 'merge' into the game like that. I was never NOT suspicious of Xardob until he pulled off his blank shot, which somewhat calmed me.
Eternal - Do not like. Misinterpreted several posts, speaks with absolute certainty although he cannot be sure about anything he said so far, unless he's a wolf, and changed his mind after previously saying Moose! was "obviously" a wolf.
Dago Wolfrider said:Xardob said:Set phasers to kill
Guess I am enough sure now, SootShade or Brutus?
Roccoflipside said:Haven't read Soot's wot yet, but Jock's alignment chart has three suspects, all of whom have been each other's top suspects at one point. I've been trying to have Marowit lunches from the beginning (as Jock himself pointed out), Soot voted me on day one (and is still suspicious of me), and Eternal has been suspicious of me (mostly because of my wanting to kill him probably). All I'm saying is that makes no sense. Maybe one of us is a wolf, but I know for a fact it's not me and/or Moose!.
Also, his response to my post was verrrry thin.
What's wrong with thinking either you or Moose is scum? If you want to test your theory I'm good to go for Eternal as well, as that's one of our matching suspicions. What with all the abilities, perhaps either of you can shed some proof about your relationship with Moose?Roccoflipside said:Also, his entire theory rests on the idea that one of Moose! or I is scum (he literally words it this way in his accusation of me). I'm thinking Jock-Eternal-Dago pack here, but it's definitely Jock here. Or that's the way he's making it feel.
I was admittedly feeling rather cranky yesterday.Jock said:This is a much more calm and collected answer than I expected.
What is it with you and these 'either one of them is a wolf or the other one' ideas?Moose! said:Eternal is just gonna lurk. I think either he is a wolf or you are.
Keep your eyes and your votes on Jock.
This would of course mean swapping out you for either Dago or Brutus in my theory.
Brutus, my man. What is your take on all of this? I've left you out of pretty much all of my posts because I still have no clue about you, mate.
Dago Wolfrider said:Dago Wolfrider said:Xardob said:Set phasers to kill
Guess I am enough sure now, SootShade or Brutus?
Damn huge thumb and small mobile phone screen.
All I can respond right now with isDago Wolfrider said:This would of course mean swapping out you for either Dago or Brutus in my theory.
Brutus, my man. What is your take on all of this? I've left you out of pretty much all of my posts because I still have no clue about you, mate.
If it's not betraying people, how do you call it? Flip flopping.
Marowit said:I think we have a case of Day 1 repeating itself all over again. Moose! puts down his vote on the most suspicious innocent, then the wolves jump on his wagon. I'm not convinced by the case on Jock.
Jock said:All I can respond right now with isDago Wolfrider said:This would of course mean swapping out you for either Dago or Brutus in my theory.
Brutus, my man. What is your take on all of this? I've left you out of pretty much all of my posts because I still have no clue about you, mate.
If it's not betraying people, how do you call it? Flip flopping.
On phone atm, will respond more thoroughly soonTM. Hope y'all don't **** up and lynch me before that.
Jock said:What is it with you and these 'either one of them is a wolf or the other one' ideas?Moose! said:Eternal is just gonna lurk. I think either he is a wolf or you are.
Keep your eyes and your votes on Jock.
You are wrong about me too. Could you maybe care to explain your suspicion of me beyond gut reads or are you now conveniently relying on Soot to make the case for you?
Marowit said:I think we have a case of Day 1 repeating itself all over again. Moose! puts down his vote on the most suspicious innocent, then the wolves jump on his wagon. I'm not convinced by the case on Jock.