Seriously. Betraying? Do I owe something to either of you? I've barely interacted with Brutus, hence why I specifically asked him to explain his thoughts about me. Calling someone 'mate' is how I refer to people depending on the situation and mood. Seriously, Dago, if I had to lynch anyone based solely on the quality of achieving their goals it'd be you. Either a lazy wolf or a very misled innocent. Definitely questionable choice here, but would wolf Dago vote for me with such flimsy reasoning, considering, as Soot said, there isn't that much pressure on you (nor me before your vote) either?Dago Wolfrider said:This would of course mean swapping out you for either Dago or Brutus in my theory.
Brutus, my man. What is your take on all of this? I've left you out of pretty much all of my posts because I still have no clue about you, mate.
If it's not betraying people, how do you call it? Flip flopping.
Nor should you be, as I've repeatedly explained. I haven't, however, heard anything from you regarding what Curio has said. Who was your flippity floppity post directed at, earlier also? What is the pack you're proposing? You earlier listed me as one of your most suspicious reads along with Curio, what changed?Marowit said:I think we have a case of Day 1 repeating itself all over again. Moose! puts down his vote on the most suspicious innocent, then the wolves jump on his wagon. I'm not convinced by the case on Jock.
I'm up for Eternal, as my alignment chart already suggested. How does Soot read for you if you consider me innocent?Xardob said:I feel like I'm missing something. This pattern indicates that neither Curio or Jock are wolves, unless there's some major bussing going on. But if neither are wolves, then the most likely pack is Dago, Soot and Eternal. Possible, and scary, but Soot reads innocent so far.
Would anyone be up for lynching Eternal today?
I can agree with the last part. That still leaves either you or Eternal as my preferred lynches for today. I'm waiting to hear more from him before changing my vote however as he did step out in my defence. This doesn't mean I can't see him as a possible wolf trying to turn the tables here though.SootShade said:Makes sense. I'm also struggling to come up with a full pack that fits together, though for slightly different reasons. The entire current situation feel very fractured, it's hard to pick up any particular trends from day 2.
I still agree that Rocco or Moose should not be in consideration for a lynch today, even if I'm struggling to come up with a pack without including them.
Xardob said:With the votes as spread out as they are, the wolves have a lot of room to influence the lynch. One support at the right time could basically determine who gets lynched. This would make selling a packmate out unnecessary right now. I'm not saying there's no wolf voting a packmate, but it's not the optimum play today.SootShade said:Can you explain the logic there a bit more?Xardob said:I feel like I'm missing something. This pattern indicates that neither Curio or Jock are wolves, unless there's some major bussing going on. But if neither are wolves, then the most likely pack is Dago, Soot and Eternal. Possible, and scary, but Soot reads innocent so far.
Would anyone be up for lynching Eternal today?
So in that light, both you and Dago voting Jock don't make much sense. The only pack I can place Jock without you two is Eternal and Curio. But that pack doesn't really work, because:
There's no way this happens. With this, Curio doesn't fit in any pack I can think of unless at least one packmate is voting for him.Adaham said:Biggus Dickus (3): Marowit, SootShade, Jock
Of course this changes if I start considering either Brutus or Rocco in the mix, but let's not go down this particular rabbit hole today.
Which I recall has been discussed by Eternal and Crassius as some sort of a misunderstanding on the former's part? I guess I'll get to that as I keep going.Crassius's "I told you so" after jumping on the wagon... ooooof. So scummy.
This part is also quite solid. But it's also not difficult for a wolf to explain this reasoning either. You can be very helpful about discussing general game theory without it saying anything about your role. This would also apply to a notable part of Eternal's other good contributions.Marowit said:Okay guys, I realize it's funny for me to say this, but there's been a lot of "oh if it's X then it can't be Y" arguments this game. Almost all of those arguments are worthless. Wolves go after each other all the time. Wolves frequently vote together, especially if they can get on a bandwagon lead by an innocent (Arch3r, anyone?). Wolves are also cautious of being caught on the same wagon, because it makes them look suspicious and associated. My past experience with analyzing packs is that it's usually not very successful and in my last few games where I used it as my primary criterion I ended up being dead wrong on a lot of people. I don't think it's a scummy argument, I just think it's a bad one. I'm much more confident in lynching Curio and/or Rocco because of their incredibly scummy behavior than I am about lynching Curio because of his associations to any other scummy people.Dago Wolfrider said:Both SootShade and Marowit being traitors would be rather strange. I mean Arch3r was lynched mostly because of his flip flopping. At least that's what mostly made him suspicious to me. And then what do you do? You try to start a bandwagon on your teammate to then change your vote midair once he show up with a LoS? Moreover you forgot that Marowit parked a vote on me last day. You do not vote one of your teammates if you know that you may be unable to change it and while he is under pressure. All in all I am not denying the possibility that SootShade or Marowit or both may be wolves, yet that's quite unlikely to me. I do not trust them, but their posts are reasonable and well thought, unlike many others.
Ehh... Dunno, seems like a bit overreaching to show this much bravado, when taking into consideration the rather minimal volume of his case on Crassius, even if the point regarding Crassius's part on the Arch3r wagon still stands.Marowit said:I read thirty pages at 2am. Forgive my misinterpretation. You're still scummy.Crassius "Biggus Dickus" Curio said:@Eternal my previous comment on the "told you so" accusation in case you missed it. I really want to see where you got that from, because if you really just pulled those accusations out of your arse, I know who I'm gonna change my vote to.
I guess that explains why I don't recall an answer regarding my earlier inquiry on related to this. Not this answer really reassures me either.Marowit said:I pretty much skimmed through the first Day 2 pages because role analysis makes a boring game. Not much sense in me doing it deliberately since I really don't care for lynching you.Lord Brutus said:Of course with Marowit's misinterpretation of my assessment of Xardob, possibly deliberate, he may be wolf no. 3.
Well, I guess he wouldn't be so blatant about defending a packie? But as I've noted, it feels like he might be trying to pocket innocents left and right. And yeah, I guess at this point I'm starting to read him as scum.Marowit said:I think we have a case of Day 1 repeating itself all over again. Moose! puts down his vote on the most suspicious innocent, then the wolves jump on his wagon. I'm not convinced by the case on Jock.
Again Eternal's really praising Dago overmuch. Yeah, could easily be trying to buddy up again, with another innocent.
So yeah, I'm good to lynch him. Not that I'm needed for that, looks like.
SootShade said:The latter.
Because Jock's on board as well. What do you think about it, btw?
I will say, such a quick wagon does make me uneasy, compared to how the one on Jock progressed. That said, with Moose, Rocco and Xardob doing it, not like I can see a particular scum influence here.
Jock said:There's a bunch of time till the deadline. Is anyone against giving Eternal a chance to defend himself?
Do you have any actual reasons to suspect me besides these nonsensical points you've been making about me not hunting? You seem very unsure about almost everyone so far, could you maybe elaborate a bit on your suspicions?Dago Wolfrider said:My bet: you know that Marowit is innocent. Jock is voting him to save his life and disappear in the bandwagon. Still think that Rocco is just an idiot Romeo or Juliet, Xardob don't know, Moose! maybe the evil Romeo or Juliet, yet unlikely.
Is that it?Marowit said:Lmao good luck