Raging Womble
Banned
At first I thought a view very similar to you all, that the banks were brilliant, and the have revolutionised PW, and in a way they have. The mod is a far more attractive concept to a casual player.
But in doing this, it has lost a key element of it. That is, the interdependence between fighters and workers.
And why is this a problem?
It is quite simple. There is no element of interdependence any more , which for those who don't understand what that means, the role of Lord no longer is the role of organising soldiers, serfs, and engineers, it is a simple role of organising fighting. And this is because of the banks. There is no incentive for a Lord to organise a faction in terms of serfs, engineers, and soldiers. His only incentive is to fight.
But this isn't the fault of the lord, this is the fault of armour saving and banking. Money is not lost. You die, someone loots your gear. You log out, your gear remains. There is no loss of gear, so there is not the right amount of demand for new items. The supply of resources- Iron, wood, linen, exceeds the demand to a ridiculous extent. The supply of leather and wheat does not come anywhere close, because there is no need for it, and it is not cost effective.
The one trade that comes close to working as it should is the horse trade. Horses are made by lords when needed, lords tell people when they should be made etc.
Now, because of this problem with supply/demand, there is not any reason for soldiers to assist in the gathering of materials and resources during peace time. Ask yourself, when was the last time you declared war in order to gain access to a mine, or to gain another resource? Or when was the last time you organised your men into groups, telling them what to do. It just doesn't happen any more.
And then, because soldiers have **** all to do during peace time they don't act like it is peace time, they run around robbing because they are bored. They don't rob for money, they rob to piss the other player off and kill them, because that is why we are all here, to fight. And can we really blame the players for this?
I don't think so. We (Nexus) are the ones who have put the banking and gear saving scripts into PW, so we need to deal with any **** that they bring. Can we deal with it? I don't know. I have a few ideas, but ultimately, they all fall short due to the bottomless banks.
Scene creators should take a little of the blame, but in all honesty, the banks and gear saving has resulted in no one bothering if the iron mine is not right outside their door.
Vornne seems a bit pissed off at this himself, here he states:
Vornnes response to bank caps on how much you can spend on a day
The view of Semiramis
Another good post by a player (Korbal) I haven't seen for a while was made on Taleworlds. If you are still around, let me know.
TLDR: The mod is ****ed.
Or maybe not.
Something we need to bear in mind when looking for a solution.
Money that has no benefit to the current server environment is utterly, and entirely useless.
So, it is simple. Remove banking and armour scripts.
In fact it isn't. We remove these, then you would see 80% of the playerbase joining Avalon or whatever other server decided to put up with scripts. If this is going to be fixed by removing the banks, it needs cooperation across all servers, and that just isn't going to happen. Yes, we could perhaps get Avalon to agree to remove it, but then another server would pop up, etc , etc.
So bank limits.
The overall solution which I believe is the only way to fix this:
Maximum 150k in your bank. The rest you must carry around on you. Then no money robbing permitted, just armour and items.
Strategic scening. Make resources important. Make mines important. Make farms important.
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But in doing this, it has lost a key element of it. That is, the interdependence between fighters and workers.
And why is this a problem?
It is quite simple. There is no element of interdependence any more , which for those who don't understand what that means, the role of Lord no longer is the role of organising soldiers, serfs, and engineers, it is a simple role of organising fighting. And this is because of the banks. There is no incentive for a Lord to organise a faction in terms of serfs, engineers, and soldiers. His only incentive is to fight.
But this isn't the fault of the lord, this is the fault of armour saving and banking. Money is not lost. You die, someone loots your gear. You log out, your gear remains. There is no loss of gear, so there is not the right amount of demand for new items. The supply of resources- Iron, wood, linen, exceeds the demand to a ridiculous extent. The supply of leather and wheat does not come anywhere close, because there is no need for it, and it is not cost effective.
The one trade that comes close to working as it should is the horse trade. Horses are made by lords when needed, lords tell people when they should be made etc.
Now, because of this problem with supply/demand, there is not any reason for soldiers to assist in the gathering of materials and resources during peace time. Ask yourself, when was the last time you declared war in order to gain access to a mine, or to gain another resource? Or when was the last time you organised your men into groups, telling them what to do. It just doesn't happen any more.
And then, because soldiers have **** all to do during peace time they don't act like it is peace time, they run around robbing because they are bored. They don't rob for money, they rob to piss the other player off and kill them, because that is why we are all here, to fight. And can we really blame the players for this?
I don't think so. We (Nexus) are the ones who have put the banking and gear saving scripts into PW, so we need to deal with any **** that they bring. Can we deal with it? I don't know. I have a few ideas, but ultimately, they all fall short due to the bottomless banks.
Scene creators should take a little of the blame, but in all honesty, the banks and gear saving has resulted in no one bothering if the iron mine is not right outside their door.
Vornne seems a bit pissed off at this himself, here he states:
Vornnes response to bank caps on how much you can spend on a day
The view of Semiramis
Another good post by a player (Korbal) I haven't seen for a while was made on Taleworlds. If you are still around, let me know.
TLDR: The mod is ****ed.
Or maybe not.
Something we need to bear in mind when looking for a solution.
Money that has no benefit to the current server environment is utterly, and entirely useless.
So, it is simple. Remove banking and armour scripts.
In fact it isn't. We remove these, then you would see 80% of the playerbase joining Avalon or whatever other server decided to put up with scripts. If this is going to be fixed by removing the banks, it needs cooperation across all servers, and that just isn't going to happen. Yes, we could perhaps get Avalon to agree to remove it, but then another server would pop up, etc , etc.
So bank limits.
The overall solution which I believe is the only way to fix this:
Maximum 150k in your bank. The rest you must carry around on you. Then no money robbing permitted, just armour and items.
Strategic scening. Make resources important. Make mines important. Make farms important.
All stocks start on 0.
