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Sahran
Grandmaster Knight
Outlawed 说:
Thanks mate, I just don't want you and Kuauik to have a feudal war over my research, since I'll be assisting him and L'Outremer too (and some stuff overlaps).
I'm not Helen of Troy! ***** like her couldn't pull off this royal Trojan tiara like I can! [Boy that sounded gay. ]Back at college, but once I get into the swing of things I'll be topping off the Italian research and then re-polishing the Abbasids, Sicilians and/or Outremer (they just need to be fixed to match the North Italian/Spanish "4 tiers of infantry' system).
Edit: to be clear of course I'll just use my own research (Fatimids, Outremer, Armenians), not those done for WTR not by me.
i dont mind to share the same troop trees with WTR,we are going only 20th years laterSahran 说:Outlawed 说:
Thanks mate, I just don't want you and Kuauik to have a feudal war over my research, since I'll be assisting him and L'Outremer too (and some stuff overlaps).
Back at college, but once I get into the swing of things I'll be topping off the Italian research and then re-polishing the Abbasids, Sicilians and/or Outremer (they just need to be fixed to match the North Italian/Spanish "4 tiers of infantry' system).
Sahran
Grandmaster Knight
I think we're both getting senile, Outlawed. I did the Iberians already! We both -ARE- getting senile, since now I realized I didn't finish the Iberians!
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,133403.msg3716501.html#msg3716501
You can, according to Cesar and my pm discussion, just give Navarre Castille's roster with units renamed "Of Navarre" where applicable (De Navarra?). Portugal is the one I'll tackle next. And I thought you were waiting on my stuff for the North Italians? If you're doing them yourself, go with:
Tier 2 troops - Civis Minor (pl. Cives Minores) - "Minor Citizens" or lower to middle class (unarmored, with helmets, maybe 1-2 gambesons thrown in)
Tier 3 troops - Civis Maior (pl. Cives Maiores) - "Major Citizens" or middle class (Gambesons, maybe 1-2 mail coats thrown in. Maybe even a 'horn scale' armor since I've seen references to scale armored North Italians)
Tier 4 troops - Civis Nobilis (pl. Cives Nobiles) - "Noble/high borne citizens" (Mail armored)
Miles Pro Commune ("City knights", but more accurately non noble cavalrymen from the cities) are the other major troop to have. I would also have a split between the troops of the city (cives) and the troops of the countryside (Contados). Contados would offer cheaper, poorer quality light troops (archer & melee infantry).
You should also probably have a divergent tier 3 and tier 4 melee infantry, since that's the case with Spain, the Andalusian Muwahhiduns, and I think should be a general trend for all factions since we can't provide for spearmen who can wield sidearms.
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What we also have to do for the Sicilians is stretch out their basic infantry: http://a.imagehost.org/view/0675/WTR_Norman_Roster It should be four tiers (the retrobannum tree), rather than three, with tier 2 unarmored/gambesons, tier 3 gambesons/mail, tier 4 mail.
2 should be I am not sure. Civis/Cives is an option, whether titled (minor/maior) or not.
3 should be I am not sure. Superior titled Civis/Cives is an option, or plain "Serviens/Servientes" to reflect the feudal structure of the Normans.
4 should be I am not sure. They can either be plain Serviens/Servientes (if the Tier 3 is Maior Civis/Cives), or "Serviens/Servientes Loricati" (armored sergeants).
I also would add in a divergent tier 3 and tier 4 melee troop to the Norman's Retrobannum tree.
We both -ARE- getting senile, since now I realized I didn't finish the Iberians! http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,133403.msg3716501.html#msg3716501
You can, according to Cesar and my pm discussion, just give Navarre Castille's roster with units renamed "Of Navarre" where applicable (De Navarra?). Portugal is the one I'll tackle next. And I thought you were waiting on my stuff for the North Italians? If you're doing them yourself, go with:
Tier 2 troops - Civis Minor (pl. Cives Minores) - "Minor Citizens" or lower to middle class (unarmored, with helmets, maybe 1-2 gambesons thrown in)
Tier 3 troops - Civis Maior (pl. Cives Maiores) - "Major Citizens" or middle class (Gambesons, maybe 1-2 mail coats thrown in. Maybe even a 'horn scale' armor since I've seen references to scale armored North Italians)
Tier 4 troops - Civis Nobilis (pl. Cives Nobiles) - "Noble/high borne citizens" (Mail armored)
Miles Pro Commune ("City knights", but more accurately non noble cavalrymen from the cities) are the other major troop to have. I would also have a split between the troops of the city (cives) and the troops of the countryside (Contados). Contados would offer cheaper, poorer quality light troops (archer & melee infantry).
You should also probably have a divergent tier 3 and tier 4 melee infantry, since that's the case with Spain, the Andalusian Muwahhiduns, and I think should be a general trend for all factions since we can't provide for spearmen who can wield sidearms.
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What we also have to do for the Sicilians is stretch out their basic infantry: http://a.imagehost.org/view/0675/WTR_Norman_Roster It should be four tiers (the retrobannum tree), rather than three, with tier 2 unarmored/gambesons, tier 3 gambesons/mail, tier 4 mail.
2 should be I am not sure. Civis/Cives is an option, whether titled (minor/maior) or not.
3 should be I am not sure. Superior titled Civis/Cives is an option, or plain "Serviens/Servientes" to reflect the feudal structure of the Normans.
4 should be I am not sure. They can either be plain Serviens/Servientes (if the Tier 3 is Maior Civis/Cives), or "Serviens/Servientes Loricati" (armored sergeants).
I also would add in a divergent tier 3 and tier 4 melee troop to the Norman's Retrobannum tree.
only coder i have is Othr,but he is very busyOutlawed 说:I wouldn't mind sharing research with you guys either.
Do you happen to have a coder though lol? We need one... BAD.
Anyway, Sahran, I have the Italians
Really, all thats left is the Iberian faction, France and the English.
Outlawed
Sergeant Knight
Well, I lost all my Italian research.
I could have sworn I read the book and made notes, but I have nothing =s
We are indeed both getting senile lmao.
As for Sicilians lets go with the Civis/Servientes/Servientes Loricati
edit: @ kuauik, too bad =*(
I need to find someone who can add some features for us.
I could have sworn I read the book and made notes, but I have nothing =s
We are indeed both getting senile lmao.
As for Sicilians lets go with the Civis/Servientes/Servientes Loricati
edit: @ kuauik, too bad =*(
I need to find someone who can add some features for us.
Outlawed
Sergeant Knight
Okay, here it is with more contrast and less brightness (only for purple part obviously =p)
Also, here's a little sneak preview at the sort of work we will be doing!
Thanks to Thrak for the Model and Kamikazuh for the texture,
I give you the the armour of a Varangian Guard Unit (Varrangoi);
This is the first tier known as the Ethnofrouros. This would be the armour for an English Varrangoi, seeing the decorated tunic below.
Also, here's a little sneak preview at the sort of work we will be doing!
Thanks to Thrak for the Model and Kamikazuh for the texture,
I give you the the armour of a Varangian Guard Unit (Varrangoi);
This is the first tier known as the Ethnofrouros. This would be the armour for an English Varrangoi, seeing the decorated tunic below.
