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yep,the jaguar suit seem to have much polygons,whit openbrf the average armor has around 1200 polygons and the highest I found was 1500 so I went in a polygon reduction spree
anyway there is the fact that it have more details than the tipical armors,like the claws and tail,and the helmet is much more detailed too
this is something I will take note when I design another detailed wearing like the maya ones
cuz I dont want the mod to take tons of resources
get it to reach exactly 2558 polygons in total all the armor plus helmet
anyway there is the fact that it have more details than the tipical armors,like the claws and tail,and the helmet is much more detailed too
this is something I will take note when I design another detailed wearing like the maya ones
cuz I dont want the mod to take tons of resources
get it to reach exactly 2558 polygons in total all the armor plus helmet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nrIJNtpvk4 Architecture 
confrontation 
Aztecs & Neighbors 
Conquistadors 
Mercenaries, Raiders & others 
we already knew most of those images and I have the book where those where taken but thanks anyway
also I finished reading the book and some thing to notice
about fortificatios and walls
there is very litle info about walls but its know,especially by the maya,that walls where made but where plain constructions of rocks,nothing too elaborated I think,some maya walls reach 5 meters high,I think is not know how exactly aztec walls where in form or construtction but there is mention of walls made of wood,which I think there is some in m&b so I guess we only need to retexture I think
so if we are going to models walls they would have to be plain dirt wall or just stones walls
also the cities where made whit defense in mind too,and the main central temple was the place where soldiers retreated for the last stand,which I guess everyone knew and is just a simple capture the flag mode to make in the game
also loking at the cities you can notices the squared shapes and the high platfroms where made for defensive purposes.well maybe not exactly but do helped I guess
this one of the few,or the only,image that depicts a walled fortification
as you can see they used the terrain too,like fortificating a hill or using other features for defensive purposes,for example there is amaya citie that seemed to be surrounded by swamps to slow a possible enemy attack
they also mention a bit about the purepecha
aparently there is some doubts about theyr metal weapons,but that is mostly due to few archeological remains and the possibility that maybe there wasnt enoguh metal weapons for all cuz the purepechas had more warriors than the aztec which was one of theyr advantage it seems,also they knew the terrain and all that,so theyr victory against the aztecs wasnt only due to theyr metal weapons
also I think someone needs to make a list of the armors and weapons we are going to put in the game
so far I got to model for the native factions
aztecs armors
cotton vest,around 3
light
medium
heavy
no counting variations like vest whit leather stripes to protect legs or the skirts show in the illustrations above
suits,or combat pijamas,the ones shown in codices
pointy hats suits,the ones whit the pointy helmets
plain suits,whit no helmets but well the player can use a helmet if he wants
no including the back banners
animal and especial suits
coyote suit
jaguar suit
eagle suit
tzizimitle suit,or skull suit,this one was worn by generals and people in comand
nezahualcoyotl suit,the one shown in the depiction of nezahualcoyotl,dont know if it was used during the conquest time but this would have been used by the high lords
thats so far armors not including civilian costume which will inlcude
loincltoth.2 made so far
civilian men tunic,a simple squared tunic tied to the body used by man
priest vest.priest used some vest similiar in shape to the cottom armor
woman dress,a sarong like female dress
thats so far for aztec costumes and armors
purepecha armors
the 3 cottom armors,but we can reuse and re skin or just alter a litle bit
combat poncho,which is like a poncho or other tipical cloth covering that probably was used over the cottom amour
decorated combat poncho whit that weird thing at the back that looks like a potato and a golden axe hair plucker on the chest
helmets being headbands and the feathers crowns
dont know if there is other costume I am missing,would investigate further
civilians clothings
I think we just use reskinned aztec ones
normal poncho
thats so far for purepecha armors
tlaxcaltecs armors
the 3 cotton vest
feathered suit,whit bird back banner or feather back banner
helemts being headbands and feather crowns that may have been helmets
civilian clothing probably the same
not counting spanish borrowed armors
maya armors
the 3 cotton vest whit variations like clothings
the rock salt stuffed one,maybe light and heavier vertions,dont know how they looked so improvisation may be needed
cotton vest whit tunics made of materials like jaguar skin,and capes and collars
feathered suits,like the rest of the groups
since there is tons of helmets for the mayans wil list them too
feathered caps or simple designs,around 3 variations from some skull cap,to bigger cilindrical shaped ones,based on figurens and other depictions
flamboyant headress,being the big cilindrical ones whit big feathers,maybe 3 or 2 variations of those
animal helmets
eagle helmet
jaguar whit helmet
deer helmet
boar helmet,there is a figurine of this one very interesting
deity helmet,carrying one of those big nosed snake like deityes
anyway we will have to pick a source unless we go on a improvisation spree
other helmets
kohaw stone helmet
demon sacrifical mask,for fun
zapotec and mixtec havent investigated yet
but I know that mixtec probably used a animal ranking similiar tot he aztec ones so we can add a variation for the mixtecs atleast in headwear,dont know if the mistecs used pijamas cuz there is no depictions of them using them
zapotec had a bat god so sure a bat animal helmet would have to be made
thats so far right now,I suggest ajoling you take a look at images of warriors in clay figurines or other archaelogical stuff to pick which to base upon what armor and wearing to make and add to the game
I will post my recomendations too
also I finished reading the book and some thing to notice
about fortificatios and walls
there is very litle info about walls but its know,especially by the maya,that walls where made but where plain constructions of rocks,nothing too elaborated I think,some maya walls reach 5 meters high,I think is not know how exactly aztec walls where in form or construtction but there is mention of walls made of wood,which I think there is some in m&b so I guess we only need to retexture I think
so if we are going to models walls they would have to be plain dirt wall or just stones walls
also the cities where made whit defense in mind too,and the main central temple was the place where soldiers retreated for the last stand,which I guess everyone knew and is just a simple capture the flag mode to make in the game
also loking at the cities you can notices the squared shapes and the high platfroms where made for defensive purposes.well maybe not exactly but do helped I guess
this one of the few,or the only,image that depicts a walled fortification
as you can see they used the terrain too,like fortificating a hill or using other features for defensive purposes,for example there is amaya citie that seemed to be surrounded by swamps to slow a possible enemy attack
they also mention a bit about the purepecha
aparently there is some doubts about theyr metal weapons,but that is mostly due to few archeological remains and the possibility that maybe there wasnt enoguh metal weapons for all cuz the purepechas had more warriors than the aztec which was one of theyr advantage it seems,also they knew the terrain and all that,so theyr victory against the aztecs wasnt only due to theyr metal weapons
also I think someone needs to make a list of the armors and weapons we are going to put in the game
so far I got to model for the native factions
aztecs armors
cotton vest,around 3
light
medium
heavy
no counting variations like vest whit leather stripes to protect legs or the skirts show in the illustrations above
suits,or combat pijamas,the ones shown in codices
pointy hats suits,the ones whit the pointy helmets
plain suits,whit no helmets but well the player can use a helmet if he wants
no including the back banners
animal and especial suits
coyote suit
jaguar suit
eagle suit
tzizimitle suit,or skull suit,this one was worn by generals and people in comand
nezahualcoyotl suit,the one shown in the depiction of nezahualcoyotl,dont know if it was used during the conquest time but this would have been used by the high lords
thats so far armors not including civilian costume which will inlcude
loincltoth.2 made so far
civilian men tunic,a simple squared tunic tied to the body used by man
priest vest.priest used some vest similiar in shape to the cottom armor
woman dress,a sarong like female dress
thats so far for aztec costumes and armors
purepecha armors
the 3 cottom armors,but we can reuse and re skin or just alter a litle bit
combat poncho,which is like a poncho or other tipical cloth covering that probably was used over the cottom amour
decorated combat poncho whit that weird thing at the back that looks like a potato and a golden axe hair plucker on the chest
helmets being headbands and the feathers crowns
dont know if there is other costume I am missing,would investigate further
civilians clothings
I think we just use reskinned aztec ones
normal poncho
thats so far for purepecha armors
tlaxcaltecs armors
the 3 cotton vest
feathered suit,whit bird back banner or feather back banner
helemts being headbands and feather crowns that may have been helmets
civilian clothing probably the same
not counting spanish borrowed armors
maya armors
the 3 cotton vest whit variations like clothings
the rock salt stuffed one,maybe light and heavier vertions,dont know how they looked so improvisation may be needed
cotton vest whit tunics made of materials like jaguar skin,and capes and collars
feathered suits,like the rest of the groups
since there is tons of helmets for the mayans wil list them too
feathered caps or simple designs,around 3 variations from some skull cap,to bigger cilindrical shaped ones,based on figurens and other depictions
flamboyant headress,being the big cilindrical ones whit big feathers,maybe 3 or 2 variations of those
animal helmets
eagle helmet
jaguar whit helmet
deer helmet
boar helmet,there is a figurine of this one very interesting
deity helmet,carrying one of those big nosed snake like deityes
anyway we will have to pick a source unless we go on a improvisation spree
other helmets
kohaw stone helmet
demon sacrifical mask,for fun
zapotec and mixtec havent investigated yet
but I know that mixtec probably used a animal ranking similiar tot he aztec ones so we can add a variation for the mixtecs atleast in headwear,dont know if the mistecs used pijamas cuz there is no depictions of them using them
zapotec had a bat god so sure a bat animal helmet would have to be made
thats so far right now,I suggest ajoling you take a look at images of warriors in clay figurines or other archaelogical stuff to pick which to base upon what armor and wearing to make and add to the game
I will post my recomendations too
ajolin
Sergeant at Arms
i found out that on Medieval 2 Total War you can discover the Americas. i did so myself after playing for days (its a long turn based game) as English, as i practically destroyed the Spanish and French 
but, i did take snapshots. when i got the little animation and intro "The World Is Round" i hurried up and did some Arquebusier and Ship construction in the less than honorable way (cheated) so i could get these pictures. when i arrived in the new world after a painstaking 7 turns that seemed like forever because i was at war with everyone and had lots of battles, i arrived in the new world, and captured Tlaxcala, hired some Tlaxcallan mercenaries, and engaged the nearby high powered Aztec army. i also noticed that the game shows the Jaguar Warriors using Elite Macas.... the pictured will be posted when i find out where they saved to... or if they even snapped... all i know is that the game froze for a second and the graphics got way better during that second.
Edit: Bad news, they didnt save, or i couldnt find them anywhere. ill have to make a custom battle because i killed the aztecs off this morning... they only had 3 places to capture. ill find another way other than in-game though, i promise.
Edit2: Found them. they are in .tga format, which is why i skipped over them several times.
Also some troop trees. making them up as i go
New NPC names:
Artimenner: RJMC (Aztec if he wishes, unless he wants something else. also need a faction-correct name. nothing famous, please.)
Borcha: Sierra (Spanish, unless he wants otherwise. need a faction-specific name. nothing famous, please.)
but, i did take snapshots. when i got the little animation and intro "The World Is Round" i hurried up and did some Arquebusier and Ship construction in the less than honorable way (cheated) so i could get these pictures. when i arrived in the new world after a painstaking 7 turns that seemed like forever because i was at war with everyone and had lots of battles, i arrived in the new world, and captured Tlaxcala, hired some Tlaxcallan mercenaries, and engaged the nearby high powered Aztec army. i also noticed that the game shows the Jaguar Warriors using Elite Macas.... the pictured will be posted when i find out where they saved to... or if they even snapped... all i know is that the game froze for a second and the graphics got way better during that second.Edit2: Found them. they are in .tga format, which is why i skipped over them several times.
click the picture for a closeup. its 2:00am, so im too lazy to get them an actual size. i guess i should sleep now...
Custom Battle, Aztec vs Spanish. a bitter spanish defeat, but it was close.
The Elite Macas in use as i said
the Aztec banner from the game.
the result of that battle. a glorious English win, even though we were outnumbered.
a close up of the aztec banner from the game.
the Result of another custom spanish aztec battle. a glorious victory for spain, even though, again, we were out numbered
Custom Battle, Aztec vs Spanish. a bitter spanish defeat, but it was close.
The Elite Macas in use as i said
the Aztec banner from the game.
the result of that battle. a glorious English win, even though we were outnumbered.
a close up of the aztec banner from the game.
the Result of another custom spanish aztec battle. a glorious victory for spain, even though, again, we were out numbered
Also some troop trees. making them up as i go
Aztec Recruit - Aztec Militia -Aztec Coyote Priest - Aztec Eagle Warrior - Aztec Jaguar Warrior
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- Aztec Archer Militia - Aztec Archer - Aztec Trained Archer - Aztec Deadly Archer
Conquistador Recruit (Cortes' Soldiers) - Conquistador Rider Militia - Conquistador Rider - Conquistador Cavalry - Conquistador
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| - Conquistador Swordsman - Sword and Buckler Man
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- Conquistador Crossbowman - Conquistador Marksman
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- Conquistador Arquebusier - Conquistador Hand Cannoneer
Spanish Recruit - Spanish Militia - Spanish Gunner - Spanish hand Cannoneer
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| - Spanish Swordsman - Spanish Rodelero
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- Spanish Crossbowman - Spanish Trained Crossbowman
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- Aztec Archer Militia - Aztec Archer - Aztec Trained Archer - Aztec Deadly Archer
Conquistador Recruit (Cortes' Soldiers) - Conquistador Rider Militia - Conquistador Rider - Conquistador Cavalry - Conquistador
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| - Conquistador Swordsman - Sword and Buckler Man
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- Conquistador Crossbowman - Conquistador Marksman
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- Conquistador Arquebusier - Conquistador Hand Cannoneer
Spanish Recruit - Spanish Militia - Spanish Gunner - Spanish hand Cannoneer
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| - Spanish Swordsman - Spanish Rodelero
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- Spanish Crossbowman - Spanish Trained Crossbowman
New NPC names:
Artimenner: RJMC (Aztec if he wishes, unless he wants something else. also need a faction-correct name. nothing famous, please.)
Borcha: Sierra (Spanish, unless he wants otherwise. need a faction-specific name. nothing famous, please.)
artimenner a aztec name?
also for the troop tree I recomend something like
aztec recruiter---aztec militia---aztec soldier---aztec veteran soldier---coyote warrior----jaguar warrior----eagle warrior---tzizimitle warrior
recruiter wearing the lowest equipment,militia a more better equiment
soldier wearing cotton vest and more better weapons,veteran wearing one suit like the pointy hat suit
and them the animal ranks,eagle above jaguar since it was higher I think,skull warriors last cuz they where the coronels,but I guess they should be in low numbers for that right?
also for the troop tree I recomend something like
aztec recruiter---aztec militia---aztec soldier---aztec veteran soldier---coyote warrior----jaguar warrior----eagle warrior---tzizimitle warrior
recruiter wearing the lowest equipment,militia a more better equiment
soldier wearing cotton vest and more better weapons,veteran wearing one suit like the pointy hat suit
and them the animal ranks,eagle above jaguar since it was higher I think,skull warriors last cuz they where the coronels,but I guess they should be in low numbers for that right?
ajolin
Sergeant at Arms
invasion mod means that a faction comes onto the map with no castles or anything, just the king's army and a few vassals, after a set period of time. Sword of Damocles and Native Expansion mods use the invasion, you can check those out. also, RJMC, do you want your in-game recruit-able NPC to be Aztec or Spanish? ill also need a name for him, like Escobar Herandez if hes spanish, for example.
but that means the player wont be able to be on cortez forces? cuz the poll says so
EDIT: I am about to start displacing the uws of the jaguar suit to start texturing it,any thing I should before doing it,the armor and helmet will not share the same texture right? they will be separated elements right?
EDIT: I am about to start displacing the uws of the jaguar suit to start texturing it,any thing I should before doing it,the armor and helmet will not share the same texture right? they will be separated elements right?
Negro of Serbia
Knight at Arms
It would be best to export them separately or divide them into two models, to be sure, so that you can surely make separate textures for them and lower the poly count...
Negro of Serbia
Knight at Arms
As far as I know, 512x512 is for less detailed models or where the details aren't so much important and it's less demanding for the game, and 1024x1024 is the opposite...so any of those two...
ajolin
Sergeant at Arms
RJMC 说:
i have no idea. try making the helmet, legs, torso, and hands 4 seperate projects, just to be safe. anyways, RJMC, i really need to know, if you could have any Aztec name, what would it be? and i dont know. maybe. ill see if can join the invasion faction of Native Expansion
Edit: The requirements to join an invading army:
- Neutral or good relations
- Not in a faction, just incase you have negative relation, so the ask for pardon option is available.
talk to a vassal, not the King. i got this when i talked to the Dark knights (invading army) queen asking for a pardon.
Ajolin, just so that you know, there is an expansion to Medieval total war 2, called Kingdoms. It includes four separate campaigns set around the world in the medieval times. One of them is called the Americas. There you can play as Aztecs or Mayas as well as the invading spanish, which is pretty fun.
Once again good luck with this mod, which seems to be getting along fine. I am very anxiously waiting for a release!
Once again good luck with this mod, which seems to be getting along fine. I am very anxiously waiting for a release!
what about chapotletl? I think its means is FIRE GRASSHOPPER! well chapolin is grasshoper in nahuatl language,the one used by aztec,and tletl is fire so yeah fear the grasshoper of fire!
I may even make a headwear just for that
if you can make the invasive faction joinable it would be better,but you should make atleast the tlacaxtlans to ally whit the invader,or maybe someone else,well thats my opinion imo since the aliances whit the native is what helped the spanish,and I dont think it would be hard to implement for the whole thing of the enemy of my enemy is my friend
I may even make a headwear just for that
if you can make the invasive faction joinable it would be better,but you should make atleast the tlacaxtlans to ally whit the invader,or maybe someone else,well thats my opinion imo since the aliances whit the native is what helped the spanish,and I dont think it would be hard to implement for the whole thing of the enemy of my enemy is my friend
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