[WB][S] Fires of War, A Greco-Persian War mod, old thread, kept for history

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Hi guys! This is a new mod under construction, although we're pretty far in it. the theme of the mod is the confilct between the Greek city-states and the Persian Achaemenid Empire in the years 495-479BC. The mod will take place in 485BC, between the Battle of Marathon adn the Battle of Thermopylae. It will feature historical locations, persons and items, but it will not be defined by them. We try to combine historical accuracy with a fun gameplay and a novel experience.

So, let's start off with a little bit of history, in order to give to those who are interested in that department some information. This is a sumarised history of the Greco-Persian Wars.
  The Persian War is one of the most famous, and most fascinating wars in human history. It was fought in the fifth century BC between Persian Empire, far and away the largest and wealthiest kingdom on earth, and a collection of independent Greek cities who lived in relative poverty and obscurity. The Greeks had not a fraction of the wealth or population of the Persians, and were themselves disunited and engaged in perpetual conflicts, yet they soundly defeated the Persians and retained their independence and freedoms. The Persian war was remarkable not only for its ferocious battles, which showcased the superiority of Greek military methods, but also for the striking personalities involved, the democratic character of the military command, and the ability of the fractious Greeks to drop their strong divisions and unite behind a single cause. It is a popular war to study, not only because of its striking military engagements and historical significance but also for the great human dramas that were played out behind the scenes.

Ionian Revolt : 499-449 B.C

The most famous battles of the Persian war were fought on mainland Greece, but the conflict began in Asia minor, when the Greek colonies of Ionia, revolted against their Persian overlords. This rebellion was called the Ionian revolt, and lasted from BC 499, to 494. It began when rebels, under the leadership of a Aristagoras of Miletus, sacked and burned the local capital city of Sardis, and ended when the Persians retook Miletus and crushed the rebel stronghold, after the naval battle of Lade.
Darius I., the Persian king was very incensed that Athens had lent ships and military support to the rebellion, and determined to raise an army to invade Athens to punish it for its interference. During his campaigns to put down the rebellion, he had conquered much of Thrace and Macedonia, and so he already controlled much of the territory he would need to launch an invasion from the north. The first expedition he prepared was led by his son-in-law Mardonius, in 492. It crossed the Hellespont into Thrace, but the entire fleet was destroyed by a sudden storm off the Chalcidice Peninsula, and he returned to Persia.

Second Persian Invasion (under Darius) : 490 B.C.

Darius launched his second expedition in 490. This time, the entire invading force, including cavalry, was sent by ship across the Aegean Sea. The expedition was led by Artaphernes and Datis, two Persian commanders who had put down the Ionian rebellion, and Hippias, an exiled Athenian tyrant. The Persians first besieged and captured the main city on the Island of Euboea before landing in Attica on the shore of Marathon. The Athenians, ten thousand strong, were awaiting the arrival of reinforcements from Sparta, but under the influence of Miltiades, a general who had previously been one of the leaders of the Ionian rebellion, they attacked immediately, just as the Persians were breaking camp. Although the Persian forces were much larger, they were surprised and routed with great loss.

Third Persian Invasion Under Xerxes : 481-479 B.C.

The Persians did not attack Greece again for ten years, but after Darius’s son Xerxes became king, the Persians launched another expedition against Athens. This time they were determined to use overwhelming force so in 481 BC, Xerxes gathered together an army of several hundred thousand infantry and a navy of six hundred ships. He demanded that the Greek city-states submit to him without resistance, and many did, including Thebes. The Athenians and Spartans however, insulted the Persian ambassadors and vowed resistance to the end. Fortunately for all of Greece, the Athenian politician, Themistocles, had foreseen trouble years ahead of time, and had convinced the Athenians to begin a navy-building project so by 481 BC, Athens had a navy of over two hundred ships.
While Xerxes gathered his army at the Hellespont, the 31 Greek city states that had decided to resist the Persians, were fielding a united Greek army, under the leadership of Sparta. Themistocles led Athens' fleet, and although a Spartan admiral was in chief command, Themistocles was very influential in all naval operations. The first great battle of the united Greeks against Xerxes army was at Thermopylae, a narrow pass in the north of Thessaly. It was there that the Spartan King Leonidas, with 300 Spartans held out for three days against the entire Persian army. After a lopsided battle in which thousands of Persians were slaughtered by Spartan's tiny force, the resolute defenders were eventually surrounded and killed to a man, and Xerxes army passed unopposed to Athens, which it burned to the ground.
As soon as the pass of Thermopylae was lost, the Greek fleet worked full time to evacuate Athens and its surrounding communities to local islands. They were stationed on the island of Salamis, in sight of the ruins of Athens, when after a fit of contentious infighting, the decision was made to give battle to the Persians at once. The famous naval Battle of Salamis ensued, during which the Greek fleet won a dramatic and decisive victory over the much larger Persian navy. The Persian fleet was destroyed, and Xerxes returned to Persia, leaving Mardonius in charge of the conquered region. It was not until the following year, however, that the Spartans realized that the Persians had no intention of meeting them at their fortified isthmus, and emerged from their Peloponnesian stronghold. Then, at the hard-fought Battle of Plataea, they drove the all the Persians from the Greek mainland.
Soon after the Battle of Salamis destroyed the Persian navy, the Ionian Greeks in Asia minor started a new rebellion. At the Battle of Mycale, fought at the same time as Plataea, the Greeks won a major victory in Ionia, which freed the Island of Samos from Persian control, and Athens agreed to protect it. This was the beginning of the Delian league, and the foundation of the Athenian Empire.

This is, more or less our historical context. The source of this information is Heritage History, so whoever wants to read the full account of the war, along with images and tables with battles and other interesting things, just head over there and enjoy!

Now, to mod-related stuff. I hope that all things will be covered in time, spanning from troops and armory to scenes and dialogs, Here is the official progress report. It will be updated as we go on with the mod.

Items (weapons, armors, helmets etc)                                                     
100%  FINISHED!
Troops and various units(mercenaries, hoplites and Amazons)                   
100%  FINISHED!
Kings, Strategoi and various commanders                                                 
100%  FINISHED!
Music                                                                                                       
100% FINISHED!
New features (like Sea travel, merchant mod and other)                           
100% FINISHED!
     
Graphics (textures, trees, walls, faces and buildings)                               
100%  FINISHED!
Map                                                                                                         
100%  FINISHED!
Scenes                                                                                                   
0% ​

Overall, a lot of work is needed to be done, but we are making good progress and we will continue to do so.

FACTIONS
Athens
Athenians have a good infantry, archers and peltasts and as a unique unit, the light cavalry Thessalian Cavalry.

Lacedaimon
Lacedaimonians have a very good infantry, helot units as skirmishers and auxilliaries, but no cavalry.

Macedon
Macedonian units include a decent infantry, skirmishers and cavalry. They are a good all-around faction

Thrace
Thracians feauture a decent cavalry, light infantry and good skirmishers.

Satrapy of Alicarnassus
They are good all-around. Decent infantry, cavalry and skirmishers. They combine Greek heritage with eastern influence.

Persian Empire
Light Infantry, arrow fodder but cheap, good archers and skirmishers and good cavalry. Unique unit is the Immortals, who combine bows with very good melee skills. No trolls.

Mercenaries
Mercenary units include disgraced(ripsaspis) hoplites, scythian raiders, thessalian horsemen and Amazons(not naked, though).

DOWNLOAD LINKS AND PATCHES

Mod:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/w9vg35oq5bslm3d/Fires+of+War+1.0.zip

Patch 1.01:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/llnlw9d8cyls68s/patch+1.01.zip

To install the patch, copy the FOWshields.brf file into the Resource folder of the mod, and replace the itemkinds1.txt and troops.txt of the mod with the ones provided with the patch.

Fix YOU MUST DOWNLOAD THIS, otherwise your shields will be all white!!!
http://www.mediafire.com/download/1cl96lksgsm1cqm/FOW_shields.brf

and relpace the file inside the mod's Resource Folder.


 

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TEAM MEMBERS

Antonis
Lionstrong, modeler/texturer
EternalPaladin, scripter(although dialogs and other scripts will commence later)
Comrade Crimson, voice actor, narrator
El Padrino, Music Researcher
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DarthTaco, beta-tester
KACollver, beta-tester

CREDITS
A huge thanks goes to those guys, without their work, my job couldn't be done(or it would be a lot more difficult)

Specialist, for the Greek Weapons OSP
Yiyang Chen, for the TPW Helmets Remade OSP
AlphaDelta, for the AlphaDelta's Ancient warriors pack
Time Golem, for the Ancient Armory OSP pack
Jarvissimo, for the Classical OSP pack
rgcotl for a part of the helmet's crest
Jaako, for the OSP buildings
Guspav, for the scroll model of Phantasy Calradia(great mod!)
Idibil and Caba'drin for various OSP scripts
Ruthven for the OSP sea battles script
The guys from the Rusmnb site, for the bronze warrior(did I say that right ?) and other OSPs
The Mount and Gladius(the first and OSP) mod
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Of course, Lionstrong for his shields and headbands and more to come

Credits list will be updated, so if someone see sth I forgot to mention, just tell me.

THANKS AND AKNOWLEDGEMENTS

Matomhair, for amazing illustrations and various images that act as inspiration for troops and costumes and general informative material.
ALG, for his font suggestion, "Thor"(which I probably will use).
Kuaik, for giving me the entire Persian Troop tree, with names, items and general description.

Matiss_Veinbergs, for support and ideas
BerserkerRezo, for support and ideas
djogloc02, for support and ideas
Takeda Shingen, for support and ideas

ThegnAnsgar, for solving mostly my problem with spear animations
EFREM , for helping greatly with serious research and solving many problems I had with various details for immersion.

Fire_and_Blood, for support, ideas and a bit of help in scripting
Quintillus, for patiently replying to my PMs about coding and helping me greatly


To all of you that support the mod and give us inspiration, suggestions and ideas, thank you!



Currently, the team needs a scener. If you are interested, please contact me. I am not looking for the best one, the king of scenes, but if your work is decent, I would be greatful if you wanted to be part of the mod. Thanks!
 

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Now, for the goodies.

SCREENSHOTS

Map (some beautification will be done, of course)

Troops

Items

Headband

NPCs

More to come...


SIGNATURES
Show us your support by using them!

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TWO MORE, based on Matmohair's artwork(see below)

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All signatures are made by Lionstrong, our modeller/texturer.


ARTWORK

By matmohair:




By Lionstrong:

Font suggestion, by ALG(quite possibly the font I am going to use) :wink:


MORE FONT SUGGESTIONS, by matmohair

more Font suggestions & ideas :arrow: http://www.1001freefonts.com/greek-roman-fonts.php

 

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KickingJoub

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How is it that the hoplon preview shield looks completely different to the "items" screenshot shield?

LionStrong][spoiler=Hoplons Owl][IMG]http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag458/lionstrong300/ShieldsOwl_zpsfb7fac6e.png[/IMG][/spoiler][/quote] [quote author=Antonis said:
Items
Other than that doesn't seem like a bad idea for a mod and you've got stuff done already so good luck!
 

Antonis

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Because it's another hoplon, of Jarvissimo's Classical OSP pack. Oh, and thanks for the wishes!
 

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Antonis said:
Because it's another hoplon, of Jarvissimo's Classical OSP pack. Oh, and thanks for the wishes!
I am rather certain that Jarvisimo never made an owl hoplon though. I am, in fact, rather certain that a person by the name of Gothic Knight made a shield exactly like the one on the left in this picture. But perhaps I'm mistaken.
 

Antonis

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I found an OSP here, by Jarvissimo. I already contacted GothicKnight for some other shields. Wouldn't he tell me that this one was amongst his own(because I sent him a picture with all the shields involved)? Also, because that shield was present in the Romae Bellum mod, I contacted Dion(the author) who sent me to rgcotl, who gave me the green light.

Here is the link to Jarvissimo thread, the one I am talking about and here is the GothicKnight's thread, which I assume you mean. I searched his items and although finely crafted, I coudn't use anything, because they didn't match the time/place of the mod.

EDIT: I used only OSPs and these few shields from Romae Bellum(after I contacted the author, of course). All the other stuff(like the textures, artwork and graphics, map andso on are my own.
 

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KickingJoub said:
How is it that the hoplon preview shield looks completely different to the "items" screenshot shield?

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Items
Other than that doesn't seem like a bad idea for a mod and you've got stuff done already so good luck!
Yes, this is because I joined the team much later and Antonis had already used alot of osps for weapons/armor. I don't know who made the other shield but as Antonis has said he has permission to use it. The previews part only has the shields that I made because I don't have the ones from the osps, so I couldn't make preview images for them.
 

mike56

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Wow, great. This game really needs some ancient greece mods. The Pelopponesian War mod it's pretty dead, so this will be great for sure.

Good luck!
 

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Sweeeeet! Been waiting for a mod like this for awhile, especially after I quit playing the Pelopponesian War mod. Love every single one of those hoplons. Really hope this works out, good luck, can't wait!
 

Antonis

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Thanks! We are already pretty far into the mod, only NPCs remain to be completed, scenes(I haven't even touched them, I need a good scener) and a couple of other details.
 

Daethikus

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Great! Thats good to know, considering I'm pretty impatient. Yeah scenes will probably take a long time, right? Gonna be great playing on a Thermopylae scene!
 

tenerife_boy

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Will keep an eye on this.

Good luck!

btw, Lambda became a symbol of Laconian soldiers after the peloponesian war and this mod is earlier so...
 

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tenerife_boy said:
btw, Lambda became a symbol of Laconian soldiers after the peloponesian war and this mod is earlier so...
Really? I didn't know that. I guess we will leave them in but idk. We might take them out
 

Antonis

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Thanks for the support guys!
As for the Lamda, didn't know that(and I study Greek and Latin History, imagine that :oops:), but I think we will leave it as it is, first of all because the shields are amazing(as an artistic expression, if you will) and the symbol is the most associated with Lacedaimon, I mean it's the first that comes to mind, so...But any suggestions, corrections and ideas like that really help us a lot. We certainly consider everything and everything is subject to change.
 
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