The Lion Heart said:Rather than offend anyone else any further (intentionally or unintentionally) how about we come to a sort of "compromise" on the issue at hand. The people who do not like the setting or the story of the mod could ask permission (once the mod is done) to use their models, textures, maps etc and just change the date/ story and change some of the important figures and factions. Keep in mind however, giving most (if not all) credit to the original team of modders.
Gothic Knight said:The Lion Heart said:Rather than offend anyone else any further (intentionally or unintentionally) how about we come to a sort of "compromise" on the issue at hand. The people who do not like the setting or the story of the mod could ask permission (once the mod is done) to use their models, textures, maps etc and just change the date/ story and change some of the important figures and factions. Keep in mind however, giving most (if not all) credit to the original team of modders.
Are you ignorant of what the 4th Crusade and its consequences were??! They,most likely,can not use these models or their map because the key area in the 4th Crusade is Greece and it was after the takeover of Constantinople...here is a quote and a map of Greece afterwards.
Aetheus said:Gothic Knight said:The Lion Heart said:Rather than offend anyone else any further (intentionally or unintentionally) how about we come to a sort of "compromise" on the issue at hand. The people who do not like the setting or the story of the mod could ask permission (once the mod is done) to use their models, textures, maps etc and just change the date/ story and change some of the important figures and factions. Keep in mind however, giving most (if not all) credit to the original team of modders.
Are you ignorant of what the 4th Crusade and its consequences were??! They,most likely,can not use these models or their map because the key area in the 4th Crusade is Greece and it was after the takeover of Constantinople...here is a quote and a map of Greece afterwards.
They can use anything they damn well please. Its their mod, its their show. If you wanna be pushy about it, why don't you follow Lion Heart's advice and go make your own mod?
Gothic Knight said:(Sorry for the double post but text seems to be bugged)
So, in conclusion of the fact that this is after the Fourth Crusade and a majority of the rival factions are Greek,thus why in the world would the developers use crusaders in the Latin Empire or use the Middle Eastern map? Right now, they would most likely be concentrated on making Bulgarian, various Greek, and basic European trees. I don't know why they choose 1206 as a setting but the Latin Empire will be nerfed even at its birth because it is a puppet of Venice basically.
NICK.ALTMAN said:Gothic Knight said:(Sorry for the double post but text seems to be bugged)
So, in conclusion of the fact that this is after the Fourth Crusade and a majority of the rival factions are Greek,thus why in the world would the developers use crusaders in the Latin Empire or use the Middle Eastern map? Right now, they would most likely be concentrated on making Bulgarian, various Greek, and basic European trees. I don't know why they choose 1206 as a setting but the Latin Empire will be nerfed even at its birth because it is a puppet of Venice basically.
Well Kingdom of Heaven(Jerusalem) was still there. Crusaders still had their every day conflicts with the muslims.
Gothic Knight said:Aetheus said:Gothic Knight said:The Lion Heart said:Rather than offend anyone else any further (intentionally or unintentionally) how about we come to a sort of "compromise" on the issue at hand. The people who do not like the setting or the story of the mod could ask permission (once the mod is done) to use their models, textures, maps etc and just change the date/ story and change some of the important figures and factions. Keep in mind however, giving most (if not all) credit to the original team of modders.
Are you ignorant of what the 4th Crusade and its consequences were??! They,most likely,can not use these models or their map because the key area in the 4th Crusade is Greece and it was after the takeover of Constantinople...here is a quote and a map of Greece afterwards.
They can use anything they damn well please. Its their mod, its their show. If you wanna be pushy about it, why don't you follow Lion Heart's advice and go make your own mod?
Because I'm not the one making a historical mod about the events after the 4th Crusade,so please,cut that nerdrage off. On which map can you find the city of Damascus in Greece, if you can't,shut up.
Gothic Knight said:What demands have I made.....those things are called suggestions since they are making a mod based on what, the period after the 4th Crusade.
Quote-Some new information:The mod's starting date will be 1206 AD, after the 4th Crusade. Every faction will have two regular troop trees and one elite, which will represent the Orders. Elite units will be hireable only in the castles.
What exactly am I demanding?I'm trying to provide them with information so they can do their mod and my advice is common sense lol,especially if their mod is trying to achieve historical accuracy. That means they are gonna need help from anybody that knows about that period(Me,Anthon,etc). Sure, I could do my own mod but this has sparked my interest, while you were mesmerized by pictures of knights, I was instilled with interest because of what I know about the chaos that happened after the 4th Crusade. So,it is natural that I want to post info to help them out since this has a great possibility of becoming an intricate and detailed representation of that period. What have you done...nothing,other then annoy me with your useless posts.
Aetheus said:Gothic Knight said:What demands have I made.....those things are called suggestions since they are making a mod based on what, the period after the 4th Crusade.
Quote-Some new information:The mod's starting date will be 1206 AD, after the 4th Crusade. Every faction will have two regular troop trees and one elite, which will represent the Orders. Elite units will be hireable only in the castles.
What exactly am I demanding?I'm trying to provide them with information so they can do their mod and my advice is common sense lol,especially if their mod is trying to achieve historical accuracy. That means they are gonna need help from anybody that knows about that period(Me,Anthon,etc). Sure, I could do my own mod but this has sparked my interest, while you were mesmerized by pictures of knights, I was instilled with interest because of what I know about the chaos that happened after the 4th Crusade. So,it is natural that I want to post info to help them out since this has a great possibility of becoming an intricate and detailed representation of that period. What have you done...nothing,other then annoy me with your useless posts.
Sorry, but the way you phrase your sentences ("The modders can't use this" ... "The modders must use that" ...), seemed a lot like demands to me. The modders themselves have said that they have their own 'references' to follow. And no matter how much you might distrust these references, the modders have already decided on following them. Continuously expounding the virtues of a "historically correct" mod isn't gonna get you brownie points, and nor is it likely to change their minds. And you speak as though annoying you is a grievous crime. =/
Gothic Knight said:Aetheus said:Gothic Knight said:What demands have I made.....those things are called suggestions since they are making a mod based on what, the period after the 4th Crusade.
Quote-Some new information:The mod's starting date will be 1206 AD, after the 4th Crusade. Every faction will have two regular troop trees and one elite, which will represent the Orders. Elite units will be hireable only in the castles.
What exactly am I demanding?I'm trying to provide them with information so they can do their mod and my advice is common sense lol,especially if their mod is trying to achieve historical accuracy. That means they are gonna need help from anybody that knows about that period(Me,Anthon,etc). Sure, I could do my own mod but this has sparked my interest, while you were mesmerized by pictures of knights, I was instilled with interest because of what I know about the chaos that happened after the 4th Crusade. So,it is natural that I want to post info to help them out since this has a great possibility of becoming an intricate and detailed representation of that period. What have you done...nothing,other then annoy me with your useless posts.
Sorry, but the way you phrase your sentences ("The modders can't use this" ... "The modders must use that" ...), seemed a lot like demands to me. The modders themselves have said that they have their own 'references' to follow. And no matter how much you might distrust these references, the modders have already decided on following them. Continuously expounding the virtues of a "historically correct" mod isn't gonna get you brownie points, and nor is it likely to change their minds. And you speak as though annoying you is a grievous crime. =/
They,most likely,can not use these models or their map
Likely implies a chance.Doesn't seem like a demand to this,more like a guess. Reading comprehension,use it. Lastly, they have not given any references whatsoever, and as the poster above said, it is rather dubious. I can't disturst something I'am ignorant of and that was a quote from their developer. Apparently it will give me cookie/brownie/ cupcake whatever points because it supports my point. Read the previous posts and try to refute me again.
Max_marksman said:Why? Because it's interesting time period. I will not comment such stupid questions anymore, don't even bother to write them.But still: why? Heck, will the mod even be set in the Holy Land?
We have two excellent, well-educated historians, and we don't need opinions, which is formed by stereotypes and Hollywood movies. We don't want to make another one mod about 3rd Crusade. And it's your problems, if you know history only from the movies.
If you have some useful information - you are welcomed, but we don't need flooders.