SP Musket Era [WB] 1860AD : A New Europe "A resurrection ?"

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Docm30 said:
There was no united Italy in 1860.

It wasn't united but it still had a flag or.. wait.. a kingdom without any flag? (facepalm)

This was the flag before unification https://www.google.it/search?q=Kingdom+of+Italy+flag&newwindow=1&tbm=isch&imgil=eToQkN7565ZdxM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcS6B4uP-FoRKzj-Qm691XwVC79QDwS46tqToezM83AS4DK0TiALXA%253B1000%253B667%253Bwf7KFFqjYQwxRM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fcommons.wikimedia.org%25252Fwiki%25252FFile%25253AFlag_of_the_Napoleonic_Kingdom_of_Italy.png&source=iu&usg=__WqxUO50OYqgp0fb-4RHcJqneLAE%3D&sa=X&ei=JHtVU5ubCsnZtAaX6YDYAQ&ved=0CDYQ9QEwAw#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=eToQkN7565ZdxM%253A%3Bwf7KFFqjYQwxRM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fupload.wikimedia.org%252Fwikipedia%252Fcommons%252F1%252F15%252FFlag_of_the_Napoleonic_Kingdom_of_Italy.png%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fcommons.wikimedia.org%252Fwiki%252FFile%253AFlag_of_the_Napoleonic_Kingdom_of_Italy.png%3B1000%3B667


AND, Kingdom of Italy was unified in 1861 OFFICIALLY, but in 1860 it had only to take Rome to complete the unification and it conquered Rome indeed in 1861.
 
ClearlyInvisible said:
That was the flag used by Napoleon's Italian puppet state, which was dissolved almost half a century before this mod takes place.

Indeed you shall look UP to see the old flag. As it was under Savoy.

https://www.google.it/search?newwindow=1&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=Kingdom+of+Italy+flag+of+1860&oq=Kingdom+of+Italy+flag+of+1860&gs_l=img.3...8873.9823.0.9982.8.8.0.0.0.0.139.730.3j5.8.0....0...1c.1.41.img..7.1.102.Q7DByGhhDE4#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=I_cyi4hMpA48PM%253A%3B6VQRN5hauNDZ6M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.lifeinitaly.com%252Fsites%252Fdefault%252Ffiles%252Fifimage%252FFlag_of_Italy_%252525281860%25252529_Kingdom.png%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.lifeinitaly.com%252Fimages%252Fitaly-flag-1860-kingdom-italy%3B600%3B600

You can even go wiki to check by yourself, but I already know ..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italian_flags

(go at bottom)
 
Gab-AG. said:
Docm30 said:
There was no united Italy in 1860.

It wasn't united but it still had a flag or.. wait.. a kingdom without any flag? (facepalm)

This was the flag before unification https://www.google.it/search?q=Kingdom+of+Italy+flag&newwindow=1&tbm=isch&imgil=eToQkN7565ZdxM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcS6B4uP-FoRKzj-Qm691XwVC79QDwS46tqToezM83AS4DK0TiALXA%253B1000%253B667%253Bwf7KFFqjYQwxRM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fcommons.wikimedia.org%25252Fwiki%25252FFile%25253AFlag_of_the_Napoleonic_Kingdom_of_Italy.png&source=iu&usg=__WqxUO50OYqgp0fb-4RHcJqneLAE%3D&sa=X&ei=JHtVU5ubCsnZtAaX6YDYAQ&ved=0CDYQ9QEwAw#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=eToQkN7565ZdxM%253A%3Bwf7KFFqjYQwxRM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fupload.wikimedia.org%252Fwikipedia%252Fcommons%252F1%252F15%252FFlag_of_the_Napoleonic_Kingdom_of_Italy.png%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fcommons.wikimedia.org%252Fwiki%252FFile%253AFlag_of_the_Napoleonic_Kingdom_of_Italy.png%3B1000%3B667


AND, Kingdom of Italy was unified in 1861 OFFICIALLY, but in 1860 it had only to take Rome to complete the unification and it conquered Rome indeed in 1861.

You're thinking of the Kingdom of Sardinia.
 
Derpingtonpryce said:
Gab-AG. said:
Docm30 said:
There was no united Italy in 1860.

It wasn't united but it still had a flag or.. wait.. a kingdom without any flag? (facepalm)

This was the flag before unification https://www.google.it/search?q=Kingdom+of+Italy+flag&newwindow=1&tbm=isch&imgil=eToQkN7565ZdxM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcS6B4uP-FoRKzj-Qm691XwVC79QDwS46tqToezM83AS4DK0TiALXA%253B1000%253B667%253Bwf7KFFqjYQwxRM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fcommons.wikimedia.org%25252Fwiki%25252FFile%25253AFlag_of_the_Napoleonic_Kingdom_of_Italy.png&source=iu&usg=__WqxUO50OYqgp0fb-4RHcJqneLAE%3D&sa=X&ei=JHtVU5ubCsnZtAaX6YDYAQ&ved=0CDYQ9QEwAw#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=eToQkN7565ZdxM%253A%3Bwf7KFFqjYQwxRM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fupload.wikimedia.org%252Fwikipedia%252Fcommons%252F1%252F15%252FFlag_of_the_Napoleonic_Kingdom_of_Italy.png%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fcommons.wikimedia.org%252Fwiki%252FFile%253AFlag_of_the_Napoleonic_Kingdom_of_Italy.png%3B1000%3B667


AND, Kingdom of Italy was unified in 1861 OFFICIALLY, but in 1860 it had only to take Rome to complete the unification and it conquered Rome indeed in 1861.

You're thinking of the Kingdom of Sardinia.

No it's REALLY different and it's not green-white-red on background. Go check it out.


WIKIPEDIA

and Trieste, known as Italia irredenta, which were united with the rest of Italy in 1866, 1870, and 1918 respectively); this period of Italian history is known as the Risorgimento, or resurgence. During this period, the tricolore became the symbol which united all the efforts of the Italian people towards freedom and independence.[7]

The Italian tricolour, defaced with the Savoyan coat of arms, was first adopted as war flag by the Kingdom of Sardinia–Piedmont army on 1848. In his Proclamation to the Lombard-Venetian people, Charles Albert said "... in order to show more clearly with exterior signs the commitment to Italian unification, We want that Our troops ... have the Savoy shield placed on the Italian tricolour flag."[8] As the arms, blazoned gules a cross argent, mixed with the white of the flag, it was fimbriated azure, blue being the dynastic colour, although this does not conform to the heraldic rule of tincture.[9] The rectangular civil and state variants were adopted in 1851.

Savoy ruled.
 
Gab-AG. said:
Derpingtonpryce said:
Gab-AG. said:
Docm30 said:
There was no united Italy in 1860.

It wasn't united but it still had a flag or.. wait.. a kingdom without any flag? (facepalm)

This was the flag before unification https://www.google.it/search?q=Kingdom+of+Italy+flag&newwindow=1&tbm=isch&imgil=eToQkN7565ZdxM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcS6B4uP-FoRKzj-Qm691XwVC79QDwS46tqToezM83AS4DK0TiALXA%253B1000%253B667%253Bwf7KFFqjYQwxRM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fcommons.wikimedia.org%25252Fwiki%25252FFile%25253AFlag_of_the_Napoleonic_Kingdom_of_Italy.png&source=iu&usg=__WqxUO50OYqgp0fb-4RHcJqneLAE%3D&sa=X&ei=JHtVU5ubCsnZtAaX6YDYAQ&ved=0CDYQ9QEwAw#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=eToQkN7565ZdxM%253A%3Bwf7KFFqjYQwxRM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fupload.wikimedia.org%252Fwikipedia%252Fcommons%252F1%252F15%252FFlag_of_the_Napoleonic_Kingdom_of_Italy.png%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fcommons.wikimedia.org%252Fwiki%252FFile%253AFlag_of_the_Napoleonic_Kingdom_of_Italy.png%3B1000%3B667


AND, Kingdom of Italy was unified in 1861 OFFICIALLY, but in 1860 it had only to take Rome to complete the unification and it conquered Rome indeed in 1861.

You're thinking of the Kingdom of Sardinia.

No it's REALLY different and it's not green-white-red on background. Go check it out.


WIKIPEDIA

and Trieste, known as Italia irredenta, which were united with the rest of Italy in 1866, 1870, and 1918 respectively); this period of Italian history is known as the Risorgimento, or resurgence. During this period, the tricolore became the symbol which united all the efforts of the Italian people towards freedom and independence.[7]

The Italian tricolour, defaced with the Savoyan coat of arms, was first adopted as war flag by the Kingdom of Sardinia–Piedmont army on 1848. In his Proclamation to the Lombard-Venetian people, Charles Albert said "... in order to show more clearly with exterior signs the commitment to Italian unification, We want that Our troops ... have the Savoy shield placed on the Italian tricolour flag."[8] As the arms, blazoned gules a cross argent, mixed with the white of the flag, it was fimbriated azure, blue being the dynastic colour, although this does not conform to the heraldic rule of tincture.[9] The rectangular civil and state variants were adopted in 1851.

Savoy ruled.

There was no Kingdom of Italy prior to 1861, before the it was simply the Kingdom of Sardinia which had been expanded by Cavour. They adopted the tricolour to show their support for the Risorgimento and it was then kept by the Kingdom of Italy after unification with the south in 1861.

WIKIPEDIA

"On 17 March 1861, law no. 4671 of the Sardinian Parliament proclaimed the Kingdom of Italy."
 
Derpingtonpryce said:
Gab-AG. said:
Derpingtonpryce said:
Gab-AG. said:
Docm30 said:
There was no united Italy in 1860.

It wasn't united but it still had a flag or.. wait.. a kingdom without any flag? (facepalm)

This was the flag before unification https://www.google.it/search?q=Kingdom+of+Italy+flag&newwindow=1&tbm=isch&imgil=eToQkN7565ZdxM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcS6B4uP-FoRKzj-Qm691XwVC79QDwS46tqToezM83AS4DK0TiALXA%253B1000%253B667%253Bwf7KFFqjYQwxRM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fcommons.wikimedia.org%25252Fwiki%25252FFile%25253AFlag_of_the_Napoleonic_Kingdom_of_Italy.png&source=iu&usg=__WqxUO50OYqgp0fb-4RHcJqneLAE%3D&sa=X&ei=JHtVU5ubCsnZtAaX6YDYAQ&ved=0CDYQ9QEwAw#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=eToQkN7565ZdxM%253A%3Bwf7KFFqjYQwxRM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fupload.wikimedia.org%252Fwikipedia%252Fcommons%252F1%252F15%252FFlag_of_the_Napoleonic_Kingdom_of_Italy.png%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fcommons.wikimedia.org%252Fwiki%252FFile%253AFlag_of_the_Napoleonic_Kingdom_of_Italy.png%3B1000%3B667


AND, Kingdom of Italy was unified in 1861 OFFICIALLY, but in 1860 it had only to take Rome to complete the unification and it conquered Rome indeed in 1861.

You're thinking of the Kingdom of Sardinia.

No it's REALLY different and it's not green-white-red on background. Go check it out.


WIKIPEDIA

and Trieste, known as Italia irredenta, which were united with the rest of Italy in 1866, 1870, and 1918 respectively); this period of Italian history is known as the Risorgimento, or resurgence. During this period, the tricolore became the symbol which united all the efforts of the Italian people towards freedom and independence.[7]

The Italian tricolour, defaced with the Savoyan coat of arms, was first adopted as war flag by the Kingdom of Sardinia–Piedmont army on 1848. In his Proclamation to the Lombard-Venetian people, Charles Albert said "... in order to show more clearly with exterior signs the commitment to Italian unification, We want that Our troops ... have the Savoy shield placed on the Italian tricolour flag."[8] As the arms, blazoned gules a cross argent, mixed with the white of the flag, it was fimbriated azure, blue being the dynastic colour, although this does not conform to the heraldic rule of tincture.[9] The rectangular civil and state variants were adopted in 1851.

Savoy ruled.

There was no Kingdom of Italy prior to 1861, before the it was simply the Kingdom of Sardinia which had been expanded by Cavour. They adopted the tricolour to show their support for the Risorgimento and it was then kept by the Kingdom of Italy after unification with the south in 1861.

WIKIPEDIA

"On 17 March 1861, law no. 4671 of the Sardinian Parliament proclaimed the Kingdom of Italy."

Indeed that's the whole thing is said in my quote :l Did you read at least?
 
Derpingtonpryce said:
Gab-AG. said:
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Docm30 said:
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I know, I was just clarifying that there was no "Kingdom of Italy" as such and therefore no "Italian" flag before 1861. Also I messed up the quotes...

Indeed, but the creator of the mod said that there will be an italian faction. Also I messed up too. lol
 
QUESTION
Will the work system work like in original m&b's europe 1805? If so will there be the wealth system as well? If so, will you be able to work in factory and see how boring and dangerous at the same time it was? If so, why did you taught it would be great idea, nobody wants to work for 10 (whatever currency was at the time) a week, or even month if we look REALLY back in time.
Also will there be artillery ( idont know if it was already) or gatlings?
Also, will there be a public beta, just for testing and critique on (probably not) half implemented featres?
 
Matiss_Veinbergs said:
Because there was no poland

But wasn't there a semi-autonomous princedom in former Poland...Krakow I think, or was that also re-absorbed back into whoever owned it by 1860?
 
Gederis, there was Kingdom of Poland (or Congress Poland) which was autonomy inside Russian Empire. Capital was in Warsaw, currency was Polish Złoty, and it was ruled by namiestnik (viceroy, steward) in the name of Tsar of Russia. In 1850s level of autonomy was increased during so-called post-sewastopolic thaw. Officials were replaced with Polish ones, new Polish schools were opened, censorship was decreased. Then big patriotic manifestations were held in 1860 and in following years, in 1861 matrial law was introduced becouse of these manifestations and in 1863 January Uprising was started. It was biggest Polish uprising and lasted to october of 1864. So it's quite a lot of interesting event in Poland about 1860 :smile:
 
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