warband is too easy now. we need a faster combat speed

[Pleep]

I'm not saying i'm the best player in the world but unfortunately (edit) blocking in this game is not a challenge anymore. Duels with good players can last like 5 minutes and are extremely boring...

With the new rotation speed, fighting mediocre players takes way too long also. The skill ceiling for warband is just waaay low now, i think we need an even faster combat speed for the veteran players.


(happy now?)

 

[captain lust]

Well at least he's not complaining about 2h spammers...

There's a very deep and complex debate about the nature of the relation between combat speed and skill. Without engaging in that, I will say that even at the top level duels don't tend to last 5 minutes. Suppose you're probably exaggerating but either way rotation speed has been reverted to its old value for the next patch. You can try out the beta by checking the thread stickied at the top of this sub-forum.

 

[Pleep]

Ok maybe they don't last 5 mins.. but at the high levels most duels end because someone got bored and started feinting excessively and the other play got in a lucky double attack, or one player attempts a lucky double attack and dies to a basic attack.

Neither scenario involves reflexes, timing or range... things i would normally associate with skill.


p.s But seriously wouldn't you think game be way more intense with a faster combat speed? IRL  fights usually wouldn't last more than 4 moves without a hit.

 

[Juve]

Medium combat speed is silly fast if you're going to compare it to real life. Fastest is just stupid fast.

As for the ceiling, I don't think I or anyone else playing competitive has ever even really seen it.

In other words, if you're complaining about Warband being too easy, you're not playing with the right people.

 

[Fehnor]

I suck at this game. Most duels I am in last about 4 hits. In battle, exchanges usually last less, even with shields.

There are other factors than skill, sure. Saying spinning faster increases player skill is something I would not accept without some form of proof that isn't anecdotal. Combined with potential latency issues, I would say it has the opposite effect, because it gives less (read: no) opportunity to block. That doesn't mean the spinner winner has skill. It means the spinner winner spun first.

 

[TheGnome]

spinner winner spun first.

Say that fast 10 times

 

[unicorn]

too easy

 

[Vendigr]

Duels [...] are extremely boring...

Well... there is your problem. There are whole other skill sets to challenge yourself with, like group fighting, sword/lance cav,  etc.


Sometimes I think people think this is supposed to be a fencing simulator (which would be great, but not 4 directional) and forget the rest of the game exists. Those people tend to hang around on duel servers for a few months and then get bored of warband. I'm sorry they're only able to enjoy one dimension of the most nuanced MP action game currently around




Also I'd like to see your sources on this:

IRL  fights usually wouldn't last more than 4 moves without a hit.

 

隐藏: Edit you probably dont care about

Speed is definitely not too slow either. Maybe you're a multi-year vet or have abnormally fast reaction time but as you can see in the link below it's still producing endless amounts of whine:
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,249174.0.html

And don't forget... the faster the combat speed, the more prohibitive ping becomes. If you want much faster than WB, you're probably better off with LAN or LARP fencing

 

[Lagstro]

Pleep, once you enter the competitive side of warband, your mind will surely change.

The few times I've ever seen you on, it's normally on servers like the Killing Fields and other little servers that never have any skilled players on them. The very few times I've entered such servers, I've gotten scores like 100-8 without even trying because the server is infested with  inexperienced players. So I'm agreeing with Juvenile that you are hanging out with the wrong people.

+ Duels only focus on melee. If you get so bored by them, then you should start playing as a different class. When I first started playing warband, I would always go infantry, but after a while everything started seeming so repetitive and boring. So I switched to archery and have absolutely LOVED it ever since.

In other words, just do anything you can to make the game more fun or difficult for you, and if there is nothing that does it, then it's time to quit, because there is no point in playing if you aren't even having fun.

 

[findecanno]

Pleep pls, if there is a skill ceiling you have yet to hit it. Personally, I like 5 minute duels. But pls fix spinning, kthxbai.

 

[Pleep]

Medium combat speed is silly fast if you're going to compare it to real life. Fastest is just stupid fast.

As for the ceiling, I don't think I or anyone else playing competitive has ever even really seen it.

In other words, if you're complaining about Warband being too easy, you're not playing with the right people.

like i said earlier, in real life a sword fight end in seconds.

Duels [...] are extremely boring...

Well... there is your problem. There are whole other skill sets to challenge yourself with, like group fighting, sword/lance cav,  etc.


Sometimes I think people think this is supposed to be a fencing simulator (which would be great, but not 4 directional) and forget the rest of the game exists. Those people tend to hang around on duel servers for a few months and then get bored of warband. I'm sorry they're only able to enjoy one dimension of the most nuanced MP action game currently around




Also I'd like to see your sources on this:

IRL  fights usually wouldn't last more than 4 moves without a hit.

 

隐藏: Edit you probably dont care about

Speed is definitely not too slow either. Maybe you're a multi-year vet or have abnormally fast reaction time but as you can see in the link below it's still producing endless amounts of whine:
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,249174.0.html

And don't forget... the faster the combat speed, the more prohibitive ping becomes. If you want much faster than WB, you're probably better off with LAN or LARP fencing

You guys seem to think i'm some noob who doesn't know what hes talking about. I don't need a source for my assertion about real sword fighting, if you don't believe me watch kendo, or medieval simulation fighting. They use weapons with the exact same specs as period weapons and most bouts end after like 3 seconds.

And i do other classes and am quite good at them.

 

[Golradir]

Compares reality to warband


wat

 

[Maynd]

Dismiss all the opinions given by more experienced players.

 

[Pleep]

Honestly... i doubt many of you guys are more experienced than me. Get 30- 3 in US central Pom during prime time, then we can talk.

 

[Maynd]

lol how many screenshots do you want?
Plus, getting those scores on POM is not that hard.
Hardcore try hard gaming cant be found on POM.

 

[Noudelle]

I'm not saying i'm the best player in the world but unfortunately this game is not a challenge anymore. Duels with good players can last like 5 minutes and are extremely boring...

With the new rotation speed, fighting mediocre players takes way too long also. The skill ceiling for warband is just waaay low now, i think we need an even faster combat speed for the veteran players.

Hey pleep!
I tottaly agree with you. I really hate servers with combat speed lower that fastest. I suck on them because i'm too used to fastest .

We need something faster!

spinner winner spun first.

Say that fast 10 times

Ok there's something i don't get... SPINNING.
I've been playing M&B for more than 5 years but i still don't know what spinning is...
Could somebody explain it to me? Maybe i'm doing it without even knowing lol.

 

[Golradir]

Honestly... i doubt many of you guys are more experienced than me. Get 30- 3 in US central Pom during prime time, then we can talk.

You got me there, boyo!

Mostly cuz of ping but still.


You´re silly pleep. l2play

 

[Pleep]

lol how many screenshots do you want?

ill believe you if you say so. Still if we both got 30 in POM.. no one can  really be talking down to me cuz thats hard to do.

 

[Catholic]

Calling 30-3 on POM hard is indeed difficult only for the fact you can 2H spam kill 30 people successfully in 7 rounds.

Again, instead of ignoring everyone and being arrogant, try being involved in the competitive community and I'm sure your opinion will change.

 

[Noudelle]

lol how many screenshots do you want?

ill believe you if you say so. Still if we both got 30 in POM.. no one can  really be talking down to me cuz thats hard to do.

Only gawd damn thing that can take me down on POM is projectile...
Damn those projectile.

Seriously i'm a uber beast with a war spear on fastest.
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