ArabArcher35
Baron
Oh, okay. Well, it might be dead then.
- 主题发起人 DynastyFenix
- 开始时间
正在查看此主题的用户
- 状态
Baron
warcry111
Banned
Pitty then, since even if it was at least based off of Sanguo Yanyi, it still would've at least not been too distorted.
Since when did mbfreak took control? If he's not willing to cooperate, he should be kicked out.
Is there by any chance that the team could perhaps cooperate with the Onin no Ran one? It seems to be the only real successful M&B "oriental" mod out there.
Editted: I was going to ask the same question CHilly asked about Fenix.
Since when did mbfreak took control? If he's not willing to cooperate, he should be kicked out.
Is there by any chance that the team could perhaps cooperate with the Onin no Ran one? It seems to be the only real successful M&B "oriental" mod out there.
Editted: I was going to ask the same question CHilly asked about Fenix.
QuailLover
Marquis
fenix is the leader...
I think it just might be on hold while Fenix learns how to texture.
I can't do any progress since I have no clue what the weapons, sheilds, and armor are.
I think it just might be on hold while Fenix learns how to texture.
I can't do any progress since I have no clue what the weapons, sheilds, and armor are.
warcry111
Banned
QuailLover 说:
Well, if the mod attempts to be historically accurate and is neither based on DW nor Sanguo Yanyi, I could provide some suggestions on what the type of weapons, armour, helmets, cavalry, troop types, etc. existed during the time so as to give you guys some ideas of what to make.
DynastyFenix
Sergeant
It's not dead, just on a break. I am the mod leader, but I'm learning how to texture, and ATTEMPTING to laern how to code. The only thing that gets in the way when I try to mod, is time. I have Lymes Disease, and about 4 other extremely serious illnesses, so I'm stuck in bed for random amounts of time all the time. I also came down with the flu about a month ago, and its just starting to get under control now. Quail has finished the start screen, not sure if he has it in-game yet, but he did do it. I have several models done, but for some reason, I just can't figure out hwo to texture. I'm also learning how to use Java and C++, I don't think they have anything to do with Mount & Blade though. If anyone is interested in joining the team, or just lending a hand, anything and everything is highly appreciated.
QuailLover
Marquis
Could I send the menu to you Felix?
Even if the weapons, sheilds, and armor are not textured could you post some screen shots of them? It would realy help me decide the stats for them.
Even if the weapons, sheilds, and armor are not textured could you post some screen shots of them? It would realy help me decide the stats for them.
Ryuta
Sergeant
This post is the one I made for old Three Kingdom mod. I'll post it again for reference.
I used this site for most of research. The site is Japanese.
http://www.gaopu.com/
Click the top one on the right side. Then click top part of left part.
These drawings were unfortunately not with the same scale. Also any name with * means it is Japanese pronounciation. Not with Chinese one.
Historical Weapons
these weapons were used during/Previous to the Three Kingdom era. The biggest difference is lack of Sou* or Spear. Bou* is a kind of spear but different thing. Length was regulated by ancient formula that the maximum length of the weaponry is three times longer than the hight of user, thus making the longest weapon about 4.8m.
1. Ka* perhaps pronounced as Qua, or Xa. Ancient Weapon used exclusively for chariots. Because of the nature of Chariot, this weapon is much more effective than spear. Length can be vary, 80cm to 3m. It was already out of use during Han dinasity.
2. Bou* Spear but had longer, bigger head. This is the main weapon of Three Kingdom era. it would be superceded by true spear.
3 and 4. Saku* Pike, or Lance. Originally the name of cavalry lance (no.4 shows the one with strap) but later also refered to pike for infantry.
5. Geki* Halberd. used the same Chinese Character with later Halberd. It is first developed by combining Ka* and Bou*. This shows the separate construction.
6. One-piece Geki*. 6b shows newer version.
7. Double-sided Halberd. It is my reconstruction of Lu Bu's weapon as it might have been in the Three Kingdom era. There're a mention of this type of weapon, though.
8. Sword. By the TK era, the use of sword was in decline and later nearly completely taken over by falcions.
9. Falcion. Since this is easy to make and easy to master (also cheper), this weapon was very popular in TK era. In TK era, falcion was straight, or with very little curve. Pommel was ring. length 80cm-1.2m. This is also the ancestor of the Japanese Sword.
10 Hishu* Dagger. called the King of Assassin.
11. Hand Halberd. Length 50-70cm. can be thrown.
12. Pi. The biggest characteristic of this weapon is the head was not socketted, but tanged and had the same shape as short sword. Until the Terracotta Army was found, they were considered as a short sword. This weapon was out of use by TK era.
Falcions
Because of its ease of use, falcions become the major Chinese sword type. As 'Falcion attacks like an tiger', their moves are fast and aggressive. Strange marks along the blade shows cutting blade. The guard is usually a circle plate.
1. Willow-leaf Falcion. the commonest type of falcion.
2. Fudiendao/ Batterfly falcion. length 50cm. used in pair.
3. Jiuhandao/ Nine-ringed falcion. Those rings are not just for ornament. They are jingled to surprise enemy horse.
4. Dakandao/ Large Chopper falcion.
5. Jiedao/ Monk's falcion. Originally an utility tool to make a germent. length 90cm. It has a oval hand guard.
6. Taijidao. 2 hander? Long slim blade.
7. Wodao/ Japanese Sword. 1 hander. originated by Japanese Sword.
8. Devil's Head falcion. has a small round thing.
9. Dack's Wing falcion.
10. Baguadao. Used by Baguaquan, a school of martial arts. length 1.4m, blade length 1m and used with two hands.
11. Scissor falcion. Or Kyo*'s falcion. Used by a school of mertial art in southern China. very saber like weapon and can thrust.
12. Nine-Teeth falcion. According to text, the teeth can be used for cutting.
13. Sprout falcion. 'Sprout' also means 'slender'. Derived from Japanese Sword and very similar in use. length 140cm and two hander.
Swords are difficult to make and harder to master. Because of this, they once saw near-extinction. It is said that 'Sword is used like Phenix', beauty and precision are the main factors.
14. Viper Sword.
15. Chinese character is wrong! This is called Thorn Sword.
16. The wronged Chinese Character was 'double handed sword'. Length 140cm.
Long-range weapons
Perhaps the most Chinese like of all weapons. these ones are just a part of them.
1. Dadao/ Great Sword. Length 1.9m, Blade length 56cm, Blade width 25cm, Weight 18-38kg. It has limited range (hand grips just below the blade) but deals massive damage. It seems this was not invented in TK era. The main purpose of this weapon is to smash the heaviest of opponents, especially heavy cavalry.
2. Moon-Craw Spade. Originally a tool. This is first used by Shaolin monks as a self-defence weapon and digging a hole for burying.
3 and 4 Halberd.
5. chopper Sword. this is my interepretation. the blade of falcion was fitted to a shaft. It is much lighter than Dadao and has longer reach.
6. Three-Pointed Double Blade Sword.
7. Elepahnt Sword. This is a variant of Dadao, with the blade imitating wound elephant's trunk.
8. Eagle-Head Sword. a variant of Dadao.
9. 10. 11. Various tridents. 9 is Dragon's Moustache trident, 10 is Ox's Head trident, 11 is River trident.
12. Great Axe. Usually 2m long, but a document suggest the existense of 5m monster axe.
13. Wolf's Fangs Stick. Wolf's Fang is a triangular spike. This weapon is a improved version of double-handed mace.
14. Wolf's Fangs Mill. Improved Handmill.
15. Viper Spear Spade. I wrote 'Rake', but it's a Spade. Opposite side of this weapon is Spade (the one in 2).
Other Short-range Weapons
1. Hook. Quite popular weapon. Hook can be used to cut rein, hook and drag down a horse man as well as tangling enemy weapon. It is also dangerous to practise because there're so many blades all over.
2. Kokoran* Tiger's Stride. A variant of Hook. With misterious chains in middle.
3. Moon Fang Needle.
4. Jitsugatsukonshintou* Or, Sun-Moon Pairing Sword. A rare weapon of Shaolinquan. Looks very similar to Klingon weapon. Total length 1.5-2m, Blade length 30cm each.
5. Cicada's Wing sword. Another Klingon weapon.
6, 7. Mace. Chinese mace has very huge head compared with Western siblings. 7 is Pumpkin Mace, with punpkin-shaped head.
8. Kan* Can be translate as Sword Club. Square, or Triangular lods with handle. It can be as heavy as 7kg.
9. Whip/ Hard Whip. Metal rod.
10. Axe. Usually used in pair (most of weapons in this is used in pair, though).
11. Sickle.
12. Yin Yang Sharp Cock's Craw. A hybrid of Tonfa and hook and other more. Very impressive shape.
And they are reconstructed armour of Three Kingdom period.
A kind of info with Japan.
TK era was also very important time in Japanese History. It was because at the time of third, or fourth Emperor of Wei (Just before Wei was taken over by Jin) was contacted by Japanese emissary and left an extensive report on Japan (A guy called chinju* was actually dispatched to Japan to act as a military advisor. He satyed there for 13 years). Japan, or Wo, it was called that time was very primitive country just came out of Neolithic age.
It is said Wo was divided into more than a hundred countries. One country, called Yamato (or Yamatai-koku) was the head of Yamato federation that controls thirty some countries. Yamato was governed by Himiko, A priestess, magician and oracle.
Their weaponry was very limited. No horse. Almost no metal weapon (only imported ones). Armours were basically two wooden boards sandwiching wearer (possibly some imported armour was in use). Also sheild was widely used. Marcial Arts also shows Chinese influence, if not they were imported. Sumo was originally developed in China this time, for example.
I used this site for most of research. The site is Japanese.
http://www.gaopu.com/
Click the top one on the right side. Then click top part of left part.
These drawings were unfortunately not with the same scale. Also any name with * means it is Japanese pronounciation. Not with Chinese one.
Historical Weapons
these weapons were used during/Previous to the Three Kingdom era. The biggest difference is lack of Sou* or Spear. Bou* is a kind of spear but different thing. Length was regulated by ancient formula that the maximum length of the weaponry is three times longer than the hight of user, thus making the longest weapon about 4.8m.
1. Ka* perhaps pronounced as Qua, or Xa. Ancient Weapon used exclusively for chariots. Because of the nature of Chariot, this weapon is much more effective than spear. Length can be vary, 80cm to 3m. It was already out of use during Han dinasity.
2. Bou* Spear but had longer, bigger head. This is the main weapon of Three Kingdom era. it would be superceded by true spear.
3 and 4. Saku* Pike, or Lance. Originally the name of cavalry lance (no.4 shows the one with strap) but later also refered to pike for infantry.
5. Geki* Halberd. used the same Chinese Character with later Halberd. It is first developed by combining Ka* and Bou*. This shows the separate construction.
6. One-piece Geki*. 6b shows newer version.
7. Double-sided Halberd. It is my reconstruction of Lu Bu's weapon as it might have been in the Three Kingdom era. There're a mention of this type of weapon, though.
8. Sword. By the TK era, the use of sword was in decline and later nearly completely taken over by falcions.
9. Falcion. Since this is easy to make and easy to master (also cheper), this weapon was very popular in TK era. In TK era, falcion was straight, or with very little curve. Pommel was ring. length 80cm-1.2m. This is also the ancestor of the Japanese Sword.
10 Hishu* Dagger. called the King of Assassin.
11. Hand Halberd. Length 50-70cm. can be thrown.
12. Pi. The biggest characteristic of this weapon is the head was not socketted, but tanged and had the same shape as short sword. Until the Terracotta Army was found, they were considered as a short sword. This weapon was out of use by TK era.
Falcions
Because of its ease of use, falcions become the major Chinese sword type. As 'Falcion attacks like an tiger', their moves are fast and aggressive. Strange marks along the blade shows cutting blade. The guard is usually a circle plate.
1. Willow-leaf Falcion. the commonest type of falcion.
2. Fudiendao/ Batterfly falcion. length 50cm. used in pair.
3. Jiuhandao/ Nine-ringed falcion. Those rings are not just for ornament. They are jingled to surprise enemy horse.
4. Dakandao/ Large Chopper falcion.
5. Jiedao/ Monk's falcion. Originally an utility tool to make a germent. length 90cm. It has a oval hand guard.
6. Taijidao. 2 hander? Long slim blade.
7. Wodao/ Japanese Sword. 1 hander. originated by Japanese Sword.
8. Devil's Head falcion. has a small round thing.
9. Dack's Wing falcion.
10. Baguadao. Used by Baguaquan, a school of martial arts. length 1.4m, blade length 1m and used with two hands.
11. Scissor falcion. Or Kyo*'s falcion. Used by a school of mertial art in southern China. very saber like weapon and can thrust.
12. Nine-Teeth falcion. According to text, the teeth can be used for cutting.
13. Sprout falcion. 'Sprout' also means 'slender'. Derived from Japanese Sword and very similar in use. length 140cm and two hander.
Swords are difficult to make and harder to master. Because of this, they once saw near-extinction. It is said that 'Sword is used like Phenix', beauty and precision are the main factors.
14. Viper Sword.
15. Chinese character is wrong! This is called Thorn Sword.
16. The wronged Chinese Character was 'double handed sword'. Length 140cm.
Long-range weapons
Perhaps the most Chinese like of all weapons. these ones are just a part of them.
1. Dadao/ Great Sword. Length 1.9m, Blade length 56cm, Blade width 25cm, Weight 18-38kg. It has limited range (hand grips just below the blade) but deals massive damage. It seems this was not invented in TK era. The main purpose of this weapon is to smash the heaviest of opponents, especially heavy cavalry.
2. Moon-Craw Spade. Originally a tool. This is first used by Shaolin monks as a self-defence weapon and digging a hole for burying.
3 and 4 Halberd.
5. chopper Sword. this is my interepretation. the blade of falcion was fitted to a shaft. It is much lighter than Dadao and has longer reach.
6. Three-Pointed Double Blade Sword.
7. Elepahnt Sword. This is a variant of Dadao, with the blade imitating wound elephant's trunk.
8. Eagle-Head Sword. a variant of Dadao.
9. 10. 11. Various tridents. 9 is Dragon's Moustache trident, 10 is Ox's Head trident, 11 is River trident.
12. Great Axe. Usually 2m long, but a document suggest the existense of 5m monster axe.
13. Wolf's Fangs Stick. Wolf's Fang is a triangular spike. This weapon is a improved version of double-handed mace.
14. Wolf's Fangs Mill. Improved Handmill.
15. Viper Spear Spade. I wrote 'Rake', but it's a Spade. Opposite side of this weapon is Spade (the one in 2).
Other Short-range Weapons
1. Hook. Quite popular weapon. Hook can be used to cut rein, hook and drag down a horse man as well as tangling enemy weapon. It is also dangerous to practise because there're so many blades all over.
2. Kokoran* Tiger's Stride. A variant of Hook. With misterious chains in middle.
3. Moon Fang Needle.
4. Jitsugatsukonshintou* Or, Sun-Moon Pairing Sword. A rare weapon of Shaolinquan. Looks very similar to Klingon weapon. Total length 1.5-2m, Blade length 30cm each.
5. Cicada's Wing sword. Another Klingon weapon.
6, 7. Mace. Chinese mace has very huge head compared with Western siblings. 7 is Pumpkin Mace, with punpkin-shaped head.
8. Kan* Can be translate as Sword Club. Square, or Triangular lods with handle. It can be as heavy as 7kg.
9. Whip/ Hard Whip. Metal rod.
10. Axe. Usually used in pair (most of weapons in this is used in pair, though).
11. Sickle.
12. Yin Yang Sharp Cock's Craw. A hybrid of Tonfa and hook and other more. Very impressive shape.
And they are reconstructed armour of Three Kingdom period.
A kind of info with Japan.
TK era was also very important time in Japanese History. It was because at the time of third, or fourth Emperor of Wei (Just before Wei was taken over by Jin) was contacted by Japanese emissary and left an extensive report on Japan (A guy called chinju* was actually dispatched to Japan to act as a military advisor. He satyed there for 13 years). Japan, or Wo, it was called that time was very primitive country just came out of Neolithic age.
It is said Wo was divided into more than a hundred countries. One country, called Yamato (or Yamatai-koku) was the head of Yamato federation that controls thirty some countries. Yamato was governed by Himiko, A priestess, magician and oracle.
Their weaponry was very limited. No horse. Almost no metal weapon (only imported ones). Armours were basically two wooden boards sandwiching wearer (possibly some imported armour was in use). Also sheild was widely used. Marcial Arts also shows Chinese influence, if not they were imported. Sumo was originally developed in China this time, for example.
DynastyFenix
Sergeant
Sure, I'll get on it*
DynastyFenix
Sergeant
Here is one I took a while back, but I forgot what key is used to snap screenshots in wings, think someone could help me out?
[img=http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7610/ramheadspearwi9.th.png]
p.s.- It's one of my first models, just some kind of Ram Head Spear type thing, figured it could be used in some kind of town capture event, or just as a special weapon.
[img=http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7610/ramheadspearwi9.th.png]
p.s.- It's one of my first models, just some kind of Ram Head Spear type thing, figured it could be used in some kind of town capture event, or just as a special weapon.
DynastyFenix
Sergeant
first post added to, check out some of the planned features*
edit: I'm fairly decent with using the UE. My question is, do you experianced modders out there think its possible to make an in-depth mod by using the UE as opposed to python?
edit: I'm fairly decent with using the UE. My question is, do you experianced modders out there think its possible to make an in-depth mod by using the UE as opposed to python?
you can take screenshots by pressing the PrintScreen button on your keyboard, then pasting it to Paint or whatever image program you use.
the problem using the UE is it'll probably be obsolete with the next release of M&B and you can't convert UE mods to ppython, so you'd eventually have to reconvert it all to python anyways.
if you want to use any of my weapons (can be seen in my mod link) I'll be glad to send you a brf with most of them in it.
the problem using the UE is it'll probably be obsolete with the next release of M&B and you can't convert UE mods to ppython, so you'd eventually have to reconvert it all to python anyways.
if you want to use any of my weapons (can be seen in my mod link) I'll be glad to send you a brf with most of them in it.
fisheye
Grandmaster Knight
DynastyFenix 说:
Don't even think about it. Listen to the tales of woe of all the modders who have been forced to convert from the UE; it's not a pretty sight. If the only thing you think you can use is the UE, you might as well do yourself a favour and quit the mod now, maybe try something smaller. I'm not kidding, it will be pain and suffering for no good reason.
Your ram spear would be a great magic staff for a high-fantasy mod (if you can keep those polies down), but I just can't see it being appropriate for this one: it's not oriental in design or even vaguely battle-functional.
DynastyFenix
Sergeant
Either that, or when people don't have enough help and experiance to make a mod alone, so they must give their time for another mod, so that the leader of the other mod can help them on theirs when they are done..... so until furhter notice this mod will be resting for a bit....unless YOU would like to take it over "cool" mod Brolli*
Brolligod
Banned
DynastyFenix 说:
..when people dont have enough help... and experience... to make a mod alone...? Okay so what you are saying is that you have NO idea what you're doing, and just wanted to make a mod, relying on others to put YOUR brainchild into play? ****, I could do that.
Anyone want to make a Banditry mod? It would center around being a bandit, complete with quests, and interactive dialogue with all NPC types.
Now if someone answers that, then ive done exactly what you have. Dont start what you cant finish - thats just basic common sense.
DynastyFenix
Sergeant
If I needed an obnoxious comment from a wise ass in my thread, I would have asked, but thanks Brolli. Maybe your unintelligence is what got you banned from the forum, but hoenstly I don't care what happens to useless forum-goers like yourself. Have a blast being banned! 
Illorb
Banned
DynastyFenix 说:If I needed an obnoxious comment from a wise ass in my thread, I would have asked, but thanks Brolli. Maybe your unintelligence is what got you banned from the forum, but hoenstly I don't care what happens to useless forum-goers like yourself. Have a blast being banned!
Im not banned, im "unwanted by the mods".
Furthermore, I have an IQ of 129, and that half-assed attempt to say otherwise doesnt put me off to stating my opinions about anything I feel like.
...This aint Rowanda, pal.
Leodan Flamelock
Knight at Arms
For someone so intelligent, you certainly aren't very good at dealing with people, hated by an entire forum in less than a day? Good work.
- 状态
