user1324865215
No, you could just make the model a bit bigger.
正在查看此主题的用户
user1324865215
It is. Or at least I think it is. I think it is most evident in the Vaiger cities in native. They look so small.
I think that sword looks fine in game Mansur.
user1324865215
Al_Mansur 说:
Oh
DanAngleland 说:
user1324865215
IDK, at least peasants were very short because of malnutrition.
Imperial Eagle
Knight
lazerBAR 说:
Taller than other populations of their time - yes.
Taller than the majority of modern people? Probably not.
Finally, instead of a "Lord class", there will be a King one. I have decided that because actually I have a lot of source for the kings of that periods, especially thanks to the Spanish manuscripts (concerning the Castillan, Granadan, Aragonese and Moroccan ones). What's more it will allow me to add crowned helms, etc.
William S. Donovan
Knight
Saweet!Al_Mansur 说:
ThaneWulfgharn
Master Knight
Al_Mansur 说:____
Factions details :
First period
Each faction will have 8 classes. All Western European factions, including Arab Granada, will have similar classes: a footman, archer, crossbowman, knight, special unit, king, religious agent and a musician class. But according to the faction, these classes will be more or less effective. For example, a Castillan archer will be far less effective than an English one. Concerning Eastern Factions (Mamluks and Byzantines) things will be slightly different.
Notes: "h" means mounted by defaut, "h.d." means that the unit can have a horse but not by defaut and sucks at mounted combat (so it is rather for displacements).
France
- Footman
- Archer
- Crossbowman
- Knight (h)
- Templar (h)
- King (h)
- Bishop
- Musican (h.d.)
Granada
- Footman
- Archer
- Crossbowman (h.d.)
- Knight (h)
- Maghrebi horseman (h)
- King (h)
- Ulama
- Musician (h.d)
Castilla y Leon
- Footman
- Archer
- Crossbowman
- Knight (h)
- (not defined)*
- King (h)
- Bishop
- Musician (h.d.)
* I hesitate between the Santiago order, Christian Jinetes and Mudejar warriors
England
- Footman
- Longbowman
- Crossbowman
- Knight (h)
- (not defined)
- King (h)
- Bishop
- Musician (h.d.)
Byzantium
- Footman
- Archer
- Crossbowman
- Kataphractos (h)
- (not defined)*
- Emperor (h)
- Orthodox Bishop
- Musician (h.d.)
* I hesitate bewteen Latinikons and Turkish mercenaries.
Holy Roman Empire
- Footman
- Archer
- Crossbowman
- Knight (h)
- (not defined)
- Emperor (h)
- Warlord Bishop (h)
- Musician (h.d.)
Mamluk Sultanate
- Footman
- Archer (h)
- Ghulam (h)
- Sultan (h)
- Ulama
- Musician (h.d.)
- (not defined)
- (not defined)
Second period
(coming soon)
I would say,for the first period:
France
- Footman
- Archer
- Crossbowman
- Chevalier (h)(Renamed Knight)
- Templar (h)
- King (h)
- Bishop
- Musican (h.d.)
Granada
- Footman
- Archer
- Crossbowman (h.d.)
- Knight (h)
- Maghrebi Horseman (h)
- King (h)
- Ulama
- Musician (h.d)
Castilla y Leon
- Footman
- Archer
- Crossbowman
- Knight (h)
- Pikeman
- King (h)
- Bishop
- Musician (h.d.)
* I hesitate between the Santiago order, Christian Jinetes and Mudejar warriors
England
- Footman
- Longbowman
- Crossbowman
- Knight (h)
- Yeoman(h)
- King (h)
- Bishop
- Musician (h.d.)
Byzantium
- Akritai(Renamed Infantry)
- Toxotai(Renamed Archer)
- Crossbowman
- Kataphractos (h)
- Varagnian Guard*
- Emperor (h)
- Stratelates(Replaces Bishops.Are Byzantine War Saints)(h)
- Musician (h.d.)
Holy Roman Empire
- Footman
- Archer
- Crossbowman
- Kaisersritter (h)(Renamed Knight)
- Teutonritter(Teutonic Knight)
- Emperor (h)
- Warlord Bishop (h)
- Musician (h.d.)
Mamluk Sultanate
- Footman
- Archer (h)
- Ghulam (h)
- Sultan (h)
- Ulama
- Musician (h.d.)
- Camelry(h)
- Horse Archer(h)
Bold units are new units you didn't define.
EDIT:Here my idea about second period:
France
- Heavy Infantry
- Crossbowman
- Handgonner
- Chevalier (h)(Renamed Knight)
- Pikeman
- King (h)
- Bishop
- Musican (h.d.)
Granada
- Heavy Infantry
- Crossbowman
- Handgonner
- Knight (h)
- Maghrebi Mounted Rifleman(h)
- King (h)
- ?????
- Musician (h.d)
Kingdom of Spain
- Rodelero(Heavy Infantry)
- Crossbowman
- Handgonner
- Knight (h)
- Halberdier
- King (h)
- Bishop
- Musician (h.d.)
* I hesitate between the Santiago order, Christian Jinetes and Mudejar warriors
England
- Heavy Infantry
- Longbowman
- Handgonner
- Knight (h)
- Pikeman
- King (h)
- Bishop
- Musician (h.d.)
Byzantium
- Allagion(Renamed Heavy Infantry)
- Toxotai(Renamed Archer)
- Crossbowman
- Kataphractos (h)
- Varagnian Guard*
- Emperor (h)
- Stratelates(Replaces Bishops.Are Byzantine War Saints)(h)
- Musician (h.d.)
Holy Roman Empire
- Heavy Infantry
- Crossbowman
- Handgonner
- Hussar(h)
- Landsknecht
- Emperor (h)
- Mounted Pistolier
- Musician (h.d.)
Ottoman Empire
- Azaps(Light Infantry Replace Heavy Infantry)
- Archers
- Janissary
- Sultan (h)
- Bashibazouk
- Musician (h.d.)
- Akinci(h)
- Sipahi(h)
matmannen
Squire
Al_Mansur 说:France
- Footman
- Archer
- Crossbowman
- Chevalier (h)(Renamed Knight)
- Templar (h)
- King (h)
- Bishop
- Musican (h.d.)
Granada
- Footman
- Archer
- Crossbowman (h.d.)
- Knight (h)
- Maghrebi Horseman (h)
- King (h)
- Ulama
- Musician (h.d)
Castilla y Leon
- Footman
- Archer
- Crossbowman
- Knight (h)
- Pikeman
- King (h)
- Bishop
- Musician (h.d.)
* I hesitate between the Santiago order, Christian Jinetes and Mudejar warriors
England
- Footman
- Longbowman
- Crossbowman
- Knight (h)
- Yeoman(h)
- King (h)
- Bishop
- Musician (h.d.)
Byzantium
.
- Akritai(Renamed Infantry)
- Toxotai(Renamed Archer)
- Crossbowman
- Kataphractos (h)
- Varagnian Guard*
- Emperor (h)
- Stratelates(Replaces Bishops.Are Byzantine War Saints)(h)
- Musician (h.d.)
Holy Roman Empire
- Footman
- Archer
- Crossbowman
- Kaisersritter (h)(Renamed Knight)
- Teutonritter(Teutonic Knight)
- Emperor (h)
- Warlord Bishop (h)
- Musician (h.d.)
Mamluk Sultanate
- Footman
- Archer (h)
- Ghulam (h)
- Sultan (h)
- Ulama
- Musician (h.d.)
- Camelry(h)
- Horse Archer(h)
Bold units are new units you didn't define.
EDIT:Here my idea about second period:
France
- Heavy Infantry
- Crossbowman
- Handgonner
- Chevalier (h)(Renamed Knight)
- Pikeman
- King (h)
- Bishop
- Musican (h.d.)
Granada
- Heavy Infantry
- Crossbowman
- Handgonner
- Knight (h)
- Maghrebi Mounted Rifleman(h)
- King (h)
- ?????
- Musician (h.d)
Kingdom of Spain
- Rodelero(Heavy Infantry)
- Crossbowman
- Handgonner
- Knight (h)
- Halberdier
- King (h)
- Bishop
- Musician (h.d.)
* I hesitate between the Santiago order, Christian Jinetes and Mudejar warriors
England
- Heavy Infantry
- Longbowman
- Handgonner
- Knight (h)
- Pikeman
- King (h)
- Bishop
- Musician (h.d.)
Byzantium
.
- Allagion(Renamed Heavy Infantry)
- Toxotai(Renamed Archer)
- Crossbowman
- Kataphractos (h)
- Varagnian Guard*
- Emperor (h)
- Stratelates(Replaces Bishops.Are Byzantine War Saints)(h)
- Musician (h.d.)
Holy Roman Empire
- Heavy Infantry
- Crossbowman
- Handgonner
- Hussar(h)
- Landsknecht
- Emperor (h)
- Mounted Pistolier
- Musician (h.d.)
Ottoman Empire
- Azaps(Light Infantry Replace Heavy Infantry)
- Archers
- Janissary
- Sultan (h)
- Bashibazouk
- Musician (h.d.)
- Akinci(h)
- Sipahi(h)
I would like to give a breif impression of my understanding of the armies of the second period.
England relied mainly upon levies during the second period (it much resembled the british amry at againcourt), infantry armed with mainly the billhook, either the civilian forest bill or the militairy black bill, and bowmen armed with the national longbow.
Cavalry wise england didn't have an effective national armor factory thus they had a hard time competing with the french who usually used milanese armor and the germans who used their maximilian type armor. In response the british started recruiting the demi lancer a 3/4 armored cavalryman on an unarmored horse. But the fully armored knight of this time was refered to as the man-at-arms; as most of them wern't noblemen any more (many nations trid to copy the french system of the companie d'orrance (Really crappy freanch spelling i apoligize)).
France as said earlier used the fully armored Gen d'arme (Gerndarme, man-at-arms) broadly, and it was the most effective heavy cavalry of it's time. Sadly enough the native french infantry was another story.
This is what i have at the moment, sadly enough as the mods second part is during the fall of byzantium 1453 units such as landsknechts, reiters and swiss pike mercs can't be used as maximilian hadn't reformed the german army yet and the swiss hadn't created a reputation as the infanty per excellanse against charles the bold yet.
I'm not sure demi lancers can even be used. user1324865215
If I recall, Spain, both Castille and Granada made heavy use of javelin skirmishers. Might be their special unit?
matmannen
Squire
DoctorPainkiller 说:
Yes they were called genitors and they used the typical moorish heart shaped sheild. Those scermishers were "dashing".
P.S One of the main infantry weapons and especially dismounted man-at-arms weapons should be the pole axe. There were many types, some where more hammers then axes.
One East European faction plox
ThaneWulfgharn 说:Al_Mansur 说:Castilla y Leon
- Footman
- Archer
- Crossbowman
- Knight (h)
- Pikeman
- King (h)
- Bishop
- Musician (h.d.)
* I hesitate between the Santiago order, Christian Jinetes and Mudejar warriors
I don't think pikemen were very representative of Castillian 13th century. I'd go for Mudejar warriors (those being probably the skirmisher type with javelins and heart-shaped adargas) or jinetes. As much as I love Santiago knights, their role as heavy cavalry is already taken by the knight.
For the second period I'd suggest castillian handgunners be renamed "espingarderos".
For the second period I'd suggest castillian handgunners be renamed "espingarderos".
matmannen
Squire
HoJu 说:ThaneWulfgharn 说:Al_Mansur 说:Castilla y Leon
- Footman
- Archer
- Crossbowman
- Knight (h)
- Pikeman
- King (h)
- Bishop
- Musician (h.d.)
* I hesitate between the Santiago order, Christian Jinetes and Mudejar warriorsI don't think pikemen were very representative of Castillian 13th century. I'd go for Mudejar warriors (those being probably the skirmisher type with javelins and heart-shaped adargas) or jinetes. As much as I love Santiago knights, their role as heavy cavalry is already taken by the knight.
For the second period I'd suggest castillian handgunners be renamed "espingarderos".
I would like to suggest having the castillian old guard unit or atleast the texture for man-at-arms. The had a special bard, with castillian and leonese coats of arms. The men-at-arms themselves used uncovered white polished armor with the fernandian lanza d'arma in place of the traditional heavier lanzon.
Here are some good info with pictures: http://greatestbattles.iblogger.org/Renaissance/RenaissanceWarfare-AirfixMagazineArticles.htm
Here are some good info with pictures: http://greatestbattles.iblogger.org/Renaissance/RenaissanceWarfare-AirfixMagazineArticles.htm
@ ThaneWulfgharn, thanks for your help. But I don't agree with all:
- First, "Chevalier" simply means "Knight" in French. So if I give a name in the accurate language to a unit, I should do that with all the classes of all factions. This is too much work, and would cause problems to the players, who would not know what unit they choose, as they don't understand the name... Therefore I prefer to keep the English names.
- Secondly, the Castillan infantry class will have pikes, and I have never heard of renowned Castillan pikeman units by late 13th century. I prefer to give them knights of Santiago or Mudejar warriors as special unit.
- Concerning England, its archer class is longbowmen by defaut. I may be wrong, but if I remember correctly Yeomen were above all known for their use of longbows. Having a faction with two classes of longbowmen is weird. But I keep the idea, in the case Yeomen were renowned in other domains than archery.
- For Byzantium, I am not sure that Varangians were more effective/renowned than Latinikons by this time
- For Holy Roman Empire, yes, Teutonic knights is the best solution.
- You are right for Mamlukes, although I don't know if they had a lot of camel riders in their army.
Otherwise, I'll examine your suggestions (and those of matmannen) for the second period later, I don't have much time for now.
@ DoctorPainKiller and Matmannen, indeed javelins were common in medieval Spain. By the late 13th century it seems that they were mostly used by North African warriors. Therefore it will be one of the main weapons of the Granadan special unit, which is North African light horsemen. Native Andalusian and Castillan infantries will have javelins too.
@ YourStepDad, I have already prepared units' classes for Serbia, which will almost certainly be added.
@ HoJu, I agree with you for the pikemen. Concerning Mudejar troops serving in Castillan ranks, I don't know if they were very numerous by the late 13th century. Having said that, you are right, on a technical point of vue (or in terms of gameplay), adding knights of Santiago isn't relevant, because as you said the role of heavy cavalry is already taken by the common knights. But on another hand, they are so emblematic that I can't consider to abandon them.
- First, "Chevalier" simply means "Knight" in French. So if I give a name in the accurate language to a unit, I should do that with all the classes of all factions. This is too much work, and would cause problems to the players, who would not know what unit they choose, as they don't understand the name... Therefore I prefer to keep the English names.
- Secondly, the Castillan infantry class will have pikes, and I have never heard of renowned Castillan pikeman units by late 13th century. I prefer to give them knights of Santiago or Mudejar warriors as special unit.
- Concerning England, its archer class is longbowmen by defaut. I may be wrong, but if I remember correctly Yeomen were above all known for their use of longbows. Having a faction with two classes of longbowmen is weird. But I keep the idea, in the case Yeomen were renowned in other domains than archery.
- For Byzantium, I am not sure that Varangians were more effective/renowned than Latinikons by this time
- For Holy Roman Empire, yes, Teutonic knights is the best solution.
- You are right for Mamlukes, although I don't know if they had a lot of camel riders in their army.
Otherwise, I'll examine your suggestions (and those of matmannen) for the second period later, I don't have much time for now.
@ DoctorPainKiller and Matmannen, indeed javelins were common in medieval Spain. By the late 13th century it seems that they were mostly used by North African warriors. Therefore it will be one of the main weapons of the Granadan special unit, which is North African light horsemen. Native Andalusian and Castillan infantries will have javelins too.
@ YourStepDad, I have already prepared units' classes for Serbia, which will almost certainly be added.
@ HoJu, I agree with you for the pikemen. Concerning Mudejar troops serving in Castillan ranks, I don't know if they were very numerous by the late 13th century. Having said that, you are right, on a technical point of vue (or in terms of gameplay), adding knights of Santiago isn't relevant, because as you said the role of heavy cavalry is already taken by the common knights. But on another hand, they are so emblematic that I can't consider to abandon them.
