Violence In Games

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I think that although the graphs are interesting, everyone with half a brain already knew this. I don't mean any offence to you, but there is no point in writing articles like this because the people who need to read it won't and the ones who do read it already know what it says. The idea that video games even could cause violence made me laugh the first time I heard it. I think I said something like 'So Mario stepping on goombas causes murders?' Anyways, interesting read.

Again, no offence to you.
 
None taken , and your right ,any one with half a brain would know it's not true, I just thought more people would care to talk about those idiots that think games are "training a generation of killers".Did you click on some of the links he had to some sites that are against these games? I recomend you do.Its like these people are just looking for some one to blame for bad parenting or a kid that just has problems any good parent would teach their there kid right and wrong in the real world.Like the guy said these games are rated so it's the parents job to monitor these kids.People filling lawsuites against game makers is a total waste of the courts time and would take away are rights, but that is another deal, and I don't mean to sound crazy I just feel alot about this issue.
 
I intended to posted this first as well. Read this interview with Jack Thompson as well. You'll know that not everyone even has half a brain. :wink:
 
I clicked on one of the links regarding kids being arrested for bringing toy guns to school, one being an action figure gun the size of a quarter. After reading the article i couldn't help but feel old and wonder what the hell is wrong with society. When i was in third grade, on the last day our teacher bought us all water guns, and let us have fun for a few hours outside. Yes, thats right, the teacher passed out "toy guns" and let us play with them on school grounds. Did anyone say anything? NO! Did anyone give a ****? No... Did it contribute to the delinquency of our youth in the slightest bit? HELL NO! Then in fourth grade we had a reinactment of the civil war, using water guns. And this one involved the entire fourth grade! How is it that we have drifted so far in so short a time?... Whoever said it was absolutely correct, fear sells, and i've seen its results. Sad part is, i'm only 21. How far will we go in the next 10-15 years? We're going to have padded classrooms for sure!
 
Lhorkan said:
I intended to posted this first as well. Read this interview with Jack Thompson as well. You'll know that not everyone even has half a brain. :wink:

Yeah, the asshat is supposed to be a lawyer. How did he manage that? was there a 'collect 10 crisp packets and get a lawdegree' competition somewhere or am I missing something. Murder simulator? GTA? WTF???
Point and click, with consoles even less than that. Every ****ing halfwit muppet knows how to fire a gun. Older gangmembers teach younger ones how to steal cars and kill people by making them play GTA? Under what rock did he crawl out of?

Now he does have a point. Little kids shouldn't be allowed to play violent games, but banning them altogether doesn't help.
 
Little kids need to be exposed to violence. I'm not saying you need to beat children, but the world is a violent place. When you shield children from violence you teach them that violence will never ever solve anything. This is not true. The raw use of force is the quickest solution for anything, albeit not always the best. Any political decision, any financial decision is always backed up by force. How is this?

Political- If you attack a government they will fight back, with force.
Financial- Money is backed up by gold in the treasury (U.S. specifically). If someone attempts to take this gold, force will be applied against them.

What does this have to do with video games causing violence? Even if that weren't total bat****, would it be a bad thing to teach a society? When a socciety actually understands violence, it will understand the implications that come from using violence. The only way to get your point accross to anyone is either logic, or violence. Shouting is a controlled use of violence, and used correctly can manipulate anyone.

The fear-mongering created by the thought of video games causing violence is in itself a violent threat. The logic distills down to this: If you don't ban video games, someday you will get kneecapped by a kid with a video game controller.
 
Can 'o Soup, kids need to be taught about violence and ****, but not with GTA. They haven't yet got a grasp of the moral side of it. You need to teach them that violence should always be a last resort. They can't really understand that the bad guy is the main character. How many dr. Seusse books have '...and then he drove over the nasty-ass ho' because she had some cash on her. While he did it he yelled "Eat those green eggs an' ham, *****!"' No, not very many. In the days that during which we were kids, games were a lot simpler. Remember Wolfenstein 3D and Doom? They were the games that the media had a go at. But in them you shot bad guys only. There were no civilians caught in the crossfire. You were a ****ing hero triumphing over evil.
 
I have no children which should be shocking to anyone who knows me (HEHE) But My Papa gave me a good reckoning whenever I misbehaved and he was right usually. Its all about blaming TV or video games or anything besides the little angel who can do no wrong. In the mid eighties Tipper Gore wanted to outlaw crazy music like W.A.S.P. and Judas Priest. I like Al Gore but he must be very well behaved to live with that prohibitionist. I just can't believe that some good kid is going to get his hands on some dirty magazine or listen to crazy music and become some sort of monster. And when it is outlawed it becomes even more desireable to any non-sissy kid. Why do these people hate freedom? Think for yourself and make some mistakes, it might kill you but probably not. Instead of a spanking they need Ritalin and safe entertainment? Its Bizarro World.
 
Lhorkan said:
I intended to posted this first as well. Read this interview with Jack Thompson as well. You'll know that not everyone even has half a brain. :wink:
OMG, I'm having a logical fallacy overload... Red herring, non sequiter, post hoc ergo proptor hoc *brain explodes*

Can 'O' Soup, I think you are going a little overboard there. The best way to tech kids about violence, as well as a lot of other things they should know, is to watch the news. Not Fox or (can't think of any excessivly left-wing news channal), but something like CNN. I think it works better because then children can see all the awful effects of violence, like wars and murder.
 
Yeah, when I was a kid I liked the Dr. Zeus book about Horton the elephant who sat on an egg because it was easy to take advantage of him, there were no hoes and gats. I meant what I said and I said what I meant an elephant is faithful one hundred percent. And then he jacked a car because he was no sissy. Nah I don't like that ending.
 
I think some games and music can make you violent. I have never played GTA so I can't judge. But there is a very good reason why some films are rated 18+ or 15+. A parent would let a 7 year old watch Kill Bill or City of God (an ultra-realist film about the favelas of Brazil) has very big problems.

Somebody said the world is violent. I agree it is but that is not a reason to expose children to violence. They will see violence around them as they grow up and know how to deal with it. Learning it from a TV or computer does not 'prepare' you for anything. It is worse than violence in real life because it is abstracted from reality, you see violence without any context or consequences.

I also disagree that watching anything you want is 'freedom'. Freedom for me is something positive that lets you become a better person and have more choices in future. Being able to vote and express your opinions is freedom because it makes a difference. So is having free university education if you're poor - you can become a doctor which you'd never have been able if you were in debt. On the other side using drugs is not freedom (the drugs take away the freedom) but forcing a friend who is a heroin addict to get help is freedom.

I think watching violent films does not bring you any thing. For most people it isn't bad but it is not positive either.
 
I think that although the graphs are interesting, everyone with half a brain already knew this. I don't mean any offence to you, but there is no point in writing articles like this because the people who need to read it won't and the ones who do read it already know what it says. The idea that video games even could cause violence made me laugh the first time I heard it. I think I said something like 'So Mario stepping on goombas causes murders?' Anyways, interesting read.

It does make us feel better though. And give us somone to rant at.
 
Those articles are BRILLIANT!
And also, that lawyer ought to be shot.... ARGH IM GOING TO BE ARRESTED FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ATLANTIC!!! PLEAASE SAAAVVVEE MEEE!!!

And I hearby state, that lawyer is an asshat.
 
It's kinda sick though: Jack Thompson is like the new anti-celebrity amongst gamers, a bit like Derek Smart was lol.

What worse is, lots of people believe Jack. Course, they are stupid people, but it's not intelligence that counts: it's how many you are.
 
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