Vent Server

[Sero]

Darkness,

Dairy isn't? That's news to me. I'm not sure exactly what Styo did, whether it was a kick or a ban or what, but, Styo dragged pretty much everyone down into the private channel, save for Dairy, and we discussed it, and a majority (A unanimous majority, insofar as I recall) voted to ban. Booya as well, but Booya wasn't on the vent server at the time so I don't think anything was done about him. But Dairy was definitely removed from the vent server. Now he's apparently back, and Styo is no longer an admin. I don't want to stoke the dramafires, but that doesn't mesh with 'nothing happened, everything is fine, everyone is cool'.

In any case, if Dairyproduct and Booya aren't banned, they, honestly, should be. On Ventrilo they've been reasonably low-key, but they're actively and insultingly hostile toward other players and vent users, (admittedly, mostly myself. But bear in mind, they are hostile to me because I'm 'too serious' about not ruining the game for others, which should say a lot.), they've engaged in deliberate abuse (not testing, but abuse, for the frustration of others and their own benefit) of glitches in game, which is certainly against the spirit of beta-testing, and been vote-banned from servers for it, and, while I admit I'm the party with the most reason to object to their continued presence on the Ventrilo server, seeing as I'm the one being targeted the most by them, half a dozen Ventrilo users felt they should be banned. (Err, okay, that number may be off. I've been sick the past couple of days and I'm struggling to recall all the names. I know Baron, Styo, and Orion were present at that vote, so there were at least four, but it seems like there were a couple more people whom I've forgotten)

I'm not going to make any sort of drama-fueling ultimatums like "Unless you ban them, I'm not going to use the old vent server anymore", but, in essence, two vent users have engaged in cheating, and outright hostile behavior toward other players and vent users, and myself in particular. Numerous vent users agreed they should be banned, and Dairy at least had some action taken against him. I come back after being sick for a day, and I'm told Dairy isn't banned, and the admin who dealt with the player harassing me has had his admin privileges removed. So, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to think.

 

[Darkness]

Darkness,

Dairy isn't? That's news to me. I'm not sure exactly what Styo did, whether it was a kick or a ban or what, but, Styo dragged pretty much everyone down into the private channel, save for Dairy, and we discussed it, and a majority (A unanimous majority, insofar as I recall) voted to ban. Booya as well, but Booya wasn't on the vent server at the time so I don't think anything was done about him. But Dairy was definitely removed from the vent server. Now he's apparently back, and Styo is no longer an admin. I don't want to stoke the dramafires, but that doesn't mesh with 'nothing happened, everything is fine, everyone is cool'.

In any case, if Dairyproduct and Booya aren't banned, they, honestly, should be. On Ventrilo they've been reasonably low-key, but they're actively and insultingly hostile toward other players and vent users, (admittedly, mostly myself. But bear in mind, they are hostile to me because I'm 'too serious' about not ruining the game for others, which should say a lot.), they've engaged in deliberate abuse (not testing, but abuse, for the frustration of others and their own benefit) of glitches in game, which is certainly against the spirit of beta-testing, and been vote-banned from servers for it, and, while I admit I'm the party with the most reason to object to their continued presence on the Ventrilo server, seeing as I'm the one being targeted the most by them, half a dozen Ventrilo users felt they should be banned. (Err, okay, that number may be off. I've been sick the past couple of days and I'm struggling to recall all the names. I know Baron, Styo, and Orion were present at that vote, so there were at least four, but it seems like there were a couple more people whom I've forgotten)

I'm not going to make any sort of drama-fueling ultimatums like "Unless you ban them, I'm not going to use the old vent server anymore", but, in essence, two vent users have engaged in cheating, and outright hostile behavior toward other players and vent users, and myself in particular. Numerous vent users agreed they should be banned, and Dairy at least had some action taken against him. I come back after being sick for a day, and I'm told Dairy isn't banned, and the admin who dealt with the player harassing me has had his admin privileges removed. So, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to think.

Well. I was absent from absolutely everything so I can only tell you what I've heard from multiple sources involved (Dairy and Ordonator (who owns the vent) who asked both dairy and styo). I was a bit taken aback Dairy was involved in anything because I've never seen him do anything of the sort to be ban worthy. Hell, he is very quiet even in the vent. And he is the only person who regularly announces the existence of the vent in games so new people know about it. I've never seen him do anything inappropriate, although that does not mean he can't or didn't. If he did stuff inappropriate, he deserves punishment (punishment to be discussed later in this post). But what I said is just what I've seen of him in the time I've played. Take that as you wish.

When Ordonator (who was also absent from the scuffle) tried to piece it all together. He asked both parties involved about what happened. I do not know the stories or the lengths of this, but what Ordonator told me is that Styo got very pissed off that he was even being asked and Dairy told his story straight when asked. I do not know what occurred after that and why Styo deserved his priviledges removed. But that was the only action taken against Styo. He was not kicked, banned, etc. At which point Styo went and made his own vent. And dairy's ban was lifted and given a warning.

Those are the facts as I heard them. That is without any bias or prejudice.

Punishment
On the topic of punishment. Ord wants ban to be a last resort when all else fails. The goal is to have an open vent where everyone can talk to everyone entirely regardless of all factors of skill, age, gender, race, etc etc. Of course we have the option to separate based on team and game mode, but usually all the venters get on one team. And if a few are left behind, we like still being together so we can talk, its just as fun to lightly heckle the other team pre-round and comment on their successes as it is to discuss strategy with your own team. We just don't tell our team the other's strategy when they discuss it as it is supposed to be private. I have never personally heard of where this has been a problem, and if it ever becomes a problem of having "spys". It will be dealt with and handled.

Punishment on vent for in game infractions is a blurry line to some degree. Punishment on vent for in game occurrences will be handled on a case by case basis as there is now a lodge complaint feature. If someone is doing something you think they shouldn't be, lodge a complaint about it. DO NOT think someone else will do it. If it bothers you, lodge a complaint about it because if you do not personally lodge a complaint, then you are saying it does not bother you (even if you tell someone else to do it, or even if someone else says they are going to do it). If it bothers you, lodge a complaint. The admins will handle it from there.

Punishments will be first a warning, asking to stop. If infractions occur, a global mute will be applied, and a message sent saying why. If infractions continue to add up over time or other factors, the ban will be applied. Everyone has bad days where temper's flare. They do not deserve to be banned for it.

In the case of booya exploiting, I never saw him do it to his advantage. Sure I saw him sometimes do it (like on ruins), but he would always hope out of the wall when someone was coming or when he was attacking. I've never seen either Dairy or Booya exploit on purpose in a real scenario. Hell, when I logged in, either Dairy or booya (I think, I dont exactly remember) said tell Darkness about it, and booya told me to follow him and he showed me exactly what the problem was so I could video it. However, if someone (anyone) does do this, screen shot or video it.

Edit: That is my understand of the situation at hand, the facts ive seen/heard, and my understanding of the vent rules and punishments. I could be wrong, do not take what I say as set in stone, but that is just my view of everything and what I use to act.

 

[SteveO]

Meh, there's no way you can prevent 'cheating' over vent.  If someone's on the other side, they're going to hear you one way or another and it'd be kind of stupid not to tell their team what you're doing.  Think of it as a spy telling you what the enemy troop movements are   Because there's really no way to combat it.




By the way this is a most entertaining thread.  I never thought Mount and Blade would be so drama filled.  Figured most disputes would be solved over a beer and a club to the head.

 

[Darkness]

By the way this is a most entertaining thread.  I never thought Mount and Blade would be so drama filled.  Figured most disputes would be solved over a beer and a club to the head.

As it should be IMO, flame wars get no one anywhere. Thats why I like sticking to the facts

But yeah, spying can be dealt with, but Id rather not have to. I like voice chat to talk to other players, being able to strategize is only an additional benefit So I'd rather not like to see people being forced to choose sides on map changes. That would reduce the fun IMO.

 

[Sero]

Steve0, this isn't drama, this is calm discussion of issues, and I'm quite pleased by it, if not by the current state of things.

I'm not sure why Styo reacted the way he did. As you said, though, everyone has days where their temper flares. Really, what should have been done was Dairy's side asked and my side asked, with Styo's input on the situation as the admin involved. All I can say is, Dairy and Booya have been going by the tag 'KoFag' in game. They started it, in fact. You're right that Booya hasn't been seen to do much actively, but I do believe there is something to be said for guilt by voluntary association and failing to say anything or disassociate yourself. Passive approval by continuing to wear that stupid tag seems clear to me. Dairy, on the other hand, has been seen map exploiting (specifically, the village in Ruins that you mentioned) along with Asha and other KoFag members. I don't have any screenshots but I can certainly ask other vent users to corroborate, and I'll endeavor to screenshot if possible, if I see it happen again, though demonstrating someone is doing it in a still or even video might be tricky.

Likewise, Dairy has taken to being very insulting and hostile toward other players and myself in particular, I've been called '******' more times than I can count in the past few days in Warbands, and this isn't a case of someone overreacting to trashtalk, but just blatant insults unrelated to the game, and purely to do with my views on player behavior. With the exception of the duplicate names incident, the only complaint that can honestly be leveled against me is that perhaps I put some people off by being the guy who goes 'Hey guys, come on, that's not cool, be nice.'. Forgive me if I'm thinking too highly of myself, but that seems small provocation. Even if someone disagreed with me, well, the approach taken (name calling, the insulting clan tag), without any prior civil discussion of the issue, seems meant to cause solely the most amount of drama possible.

On the note of Dairy being the only one announcing the existence of the vent server...I'll say fair enough. Most of us are pretty bad about it. But I have to qualify it by saying, I don't think the sort of people likely to join us on vent on the notion that KoFag Dairyproduct as I've described here is the sort of people you'll find on vent, are, well, the sort of people we want on vent. I'm sorry if that smacks of elitism to anyone, but it's the sort of elitism the vent admins practice, if elitism it be, of not wanting trolls and trouble makers on vent, age, or newness to Warbands, have not a thing to do with it.

So I don't know what to say. I can understand there being a gray area for some in game offenses, being punished in vent, like getting kicked for kabookieing or something, but I can't say I feel the same about the behavior I've described here.

Orion, Styo, Baron, and all the others who've seen the behavior I've described, I'd like you lot to say 'Yes, Sero is correct'. I admit, I'm the most affected by Dairy's behavior and so the one who feels the strongest about it, but, aside from just apathetic 'I don't really care', does anyone really have anything to say in defense of the likes of Dairy or Asha?

 

[Darkness]

Oh, I did get the details behind that. Dairy and booya are in the clan KoD (Knights of Description). And Asha who has been seen as quite a little... mm... lets say problem by blatant insults, inappropriate speech, glitching, exploiting, among other things.

Dairy and booya called her on it and are the ones that try and kick/ban (aka kick) her. And so she changed her name to a tag to mock their clan (I forget the tag). So I think they changed their tag to something to mock her mock tag. Or something along those lines.

However, I do agree that although it is easy to fall down to the level of the person you are in a tizzy with, it is not the appropriate way to handle it as it is insultory to others besides the original insulter. Chat can be ignored, and she is not in the vent. She can just be ignored. And known to all to be a ban on sight target.

Although if either come around, I am sure they can better explain that situation.

Edit: Although I would be tempted to ask them to not do it here publicly. There is no reason this needs to be aired to the public. I only said my piece since I was dragged into this to defend Ord and the vent. These are personal little battles for the most part and should not be a public fight.

 

[Sero]

....what?

Booya and Dairy are in the Knights of Description? I can say as founder and administrator of KoD, this is news to me. The KoFag tag? They were wearing it first, Asha came in, and adopted it, along with a few others, Sharpshoother is the only name that I recall.

Anyways, Dairy, I can say you've been lied to by someone, and I can definitely prove I am the founder and admin of KoD. Dairy and Booya have no association with us.

 

[Ordonator]

Holy Moly. If I had the time I would spin this into a prime-time drama series.

From my perspective, this is actually what occurred, I swear it.

I got a complaint from Dairy stating that he had been banned. By his account, he was banned for telling Sero off. There was no mention of Booya or Asha. I checked the ban list and noted that he was indeed banned by Styo the night before. There was no reason listed. I unbanned Dairy for the time being, and told him that I would ask Styo what happened.

I asked Styo, and received this reply:

There is a player named Asha in game. Hes nothing but trouble. Everyone hates him. I mean Everyone. So Dairy and booya are taking his side and are making alot and i mean a lot of drama. So i banned dairy and booya i left him for now. Vent is supposed to be for fun and playing not drama..thats how i see it...if you want you can unban him..but you will have an empty vent

Not five minutes later, this illogical message from Styo followed:

and i cant it im banned? nice... take care bud.

To which I replied:

Wait a minute. Who said you were banned? I just wanted to know what happened.

Nothing came in return. From there on, I received various reports of Asha being an abusive player. Several individuals have conceded that this issue started and should have ended with him, considered the fact that he was never on Vent. Two of those stated that Dairy deserved to be banned, but not permanently so.

My interest is only in having a freely available, widely known, and easily accessible voice server until it is obsoleted by in-game services or lack of interest. I can handle making the server free and accessible by my efforts. In no small part has Dairy helped in making it widely known; hardly the behavior of your typical griefer. Since I had such little additional information, please, someone explain how anything I did was unreasonable.

Styo's admin privileges have indeed been removed only because he has not communicated his intentions to me. For all I know, he'll take down the server and offer his as alternative. In my shoes, who wouldn't do the same? The only entry on the ban list at this time is the tyler_scot identity, which is completely unrelated.

On the matter of a secondary server I offer this:

Given my knowledge of the beta community (which I'll admit is somewhat limited of late) and the application of a little insight, I have concluded that this all stems from the apparent divide that exists between the casual and competitive testers. He may correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the feeling that Styo has been itching to form his own competitive group for some time. All that he lacked was the number of people to keep it interesting. With the augmentation of new testers that I, myself, clamored for, perhaps some are best served by apportioning their flocks away to wherever they will go.

I have now specified that the server which I am running is public; that is, usable by anyone that is not circumventing others from its use. If space is an issue (which I have not heard), the subject is restricted to the Warband Beta Test. Otherwise, prepare yourself for off topic conversation and general foolery in the lobby. It's the freaking Internets for love of God, and it will be what it is unless someone is intentionally bothering the others. If that doesn't suit you, you can go to a game channel, where subject is restricted to related game at hand. And if you're so concerned that someone might eavesdrop on your plans to take the field of honor in a video game (which is unranked, at that), well then perhaps you should grab yourself on a private server and that requires user registration. I have neither the time or the will to concern myself with that.

One last thing. I've posted this only because I'm getting a steady flow of comments in my inbox about the previous two subjects; nearly all of them originating from comments in this forum topic. I don't mind the email, but I'm through with the questions about such an ridiculous affair.

I gain nothing but the same as any other user: a handy group of people I can Warband with. I hope we can all continue to play nice with each other.

 

[Gabeed]

Holy Moly. If I had the time I would spin this into a prime-time drama series.

From my perspective, this is actually what occurred, I swear it.

I got a complaint from Dairy stating that he had been banned. By his account, he was banned for telling Sero off. There was no mention of Booya or Asha. I checked the ban list and noted that he was indeed banned by Styo the night before. There was no reason listed. I unbanned Dairy for the time being, and told him that I would ask Styo what happened.

I asked Styo, and received this reply:

There is a player named Asha in game. Hes nothing but trouble. Everyone hates him. I mean Everyone. So Dairy and booya are taking his side and are making alot and i mean a lot of drama. So i banned dairy and booya i left him for now. Vent is supposed to be for fun and playing not drama..thats how i see it...if you want you can unban him..but you will have an empty vent

Not five minutes later, this illogical message from Styo followed:

and i cant it im banned? nice... take care bud.

To which I replied:

Wait a minute. Who said you were banned? I just wanted to know what happened.

Nothing came in return. From there on, I received various reports of Asha being an abusive player. Several individuals have conceded that this issue started and should have ended with him, considered the fact that he was never on Vent. Two of those stated that Dairy deserved to be banned, but not permanently so.

My interest is only in having a freely available, widely known, and easily accessible voice server until it is obsoleted by in-game services or lack of interest. I can handle making the server free and accessible by my efforts. In no small part has Dairy helped in making it widely known; hardly the behavior of your typical griefer. Since I had such little additional information, please, someone explain how anything I did was unreasonable.

Styo's admin privileges have indeed been removed only because he has not communicated his intentions to me. For all I know, he'll take down the server and offer his as alternative. In my shoes, who wouldn't do the same? The only entry on the ban list at this time is the tyler_scot identity, which is completely unrelated.

On the matter of a secondary server I offer this:

Given my knowledge of the beta community (which I'll admit is somewhat limited of late) and the application of a little insight, I have concluded that this all stems from the apparent divide that exists between the casual and competitive testers. He may correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the feeling that Styo has been itching to form his own competitive group for some time. All that he lacked was the number of people to keep it interesting. With the augmentation of new testers that I, myself, clamored for, perhaps some are best served by apportioning their flocks away to wherever they will go.

I have now specified that the server which I am running is public; that is, usable by anyone that is not circumventing others from its use. If space is an issue (which I have not heard), the subject is restricted to the Warband Beta Test. Otherwise, prepare yourself for off topic conversation and general foolery in the lobby. It's the freaking Internets for love of God, and it will be what it is unless someone is intentionally bothering the others. If that doesn't suit you, you can go to a game channel, where subject is restricted to related game at hand. And if you're so concerned that someone might eavesdrop on your plans to take the field of honor in a video game (which is unranked, at that), well then perhaps you should grab yourself on a private server and that requires user registration. I have neither the time or the will to concern myself with that.

One last thing. I've posted this only because I'm getting a steady flow of comments in my inbox about the previous two subjects; nearly all of them originating from comments in this forum topic. I don't mind the email, but I'm through with the questions about such an ridiculous affair.

I gain nothing but the same as any other user: a handy group of people I can Warband with. I hope we can all continue to play nice with each other.

Finally, someone clearly explains what is going on. 
I actually have one more question, though.  Who of the complained-about people is actually in Vent?  I recall Booya and Dairy are/were, but is Asha?  Is this great schism forming due to a person who isn't even in Vent?  That's three questions, whoops.

 

[Ordonator]

Finally, someone clearly explains what is going on. 
I actually have one more question, though.  Who of the complained-about people is actually in Vent?  I recall Booya and Dairy are/were, but is Asha?  Is this great schism forming due to a person who isn't even in Vent?  That's three questions, whoops.

LOL, indeed, as far as I've heard, this stems from Asha, who was not in Ventrilo. Ever. Dairy and Booya, were apparently defending him and/or participating with whatever abuses he was conducting. I still haven't heard what he was doing that bothered everyone so much.

 

[zaldron]

My swords bigger than YOUR sword...na na na na naaaa na

 

[Dairyproduct]

lol, ask me whatever you want and I'll respond from my pov, you guys are really taking this waay too seriously for pre-game drama over a public vent server.

 

[Archonsod]

Just randomly ban a few people. That tends to bring them back into line.

 

[Darkness]

Finally, someone clearly explains what is going on. 
I actually have one more question, though.  Who of the complained-about people is actually in Vent?  I recall Booya and Dairy are/were, but is Asha?  Is this great schism forming due to a person who isn't even in Vent?  That's three questions, whoops.

LOL, indeed, as far as I've heard, this stems from Asha, who was not in Ventrilo. Ever. Dairy and Booya, were apparently defending him and/or participating with whatever abuses he was conducting. I still haven't heard what he was doing that bothered everyone so much.

Ah, so I had my facts mistaken from what KoD was. As I said, thats what I thought, not what I was sure of and thus why I did not want to nor did I take any action on the matter. And when flung it, did my best. Sorry about that sero . As for who is on the vent. Indeed, this whole commotion was over Asha who has never accessed the vent. Booya has no mic but is in the vent. I will say that this all is quite a commotion over 1.5 venters.

Although, I do agree with ord that it seems Styo just used this as a good time to rally a crowd of his own.

Although, I will admit that both Dairy and Booya make somewhat nasty remarks over you, Sero, and I haven't the slightest why. I at first thought you were lumped into this with styo and I was  given then impression Styo and you were the ones at fault. And knowing a few of styo's past things hes said, it didnt come as much surprise to me. But with the story clear, all the rest will clear out. And yes. Lets just let this die. The story is told, let us be done with it and not hi-jack it anymore from styo.

 

[Sero]

I can't speak as to styo's intentions. I can say his action in regards to dairy were in direct response to my concern's and was done very fairly, with him asking for a majority vote of player's in vent, which he received.

Asha...Asha is Asha. He, or she, or it, as Orion has taken to referring to the individual in question, is a troll. Aside from the use of glitching to try to force an unfair draw or victory, Asha Asha engages in ad hominem attacks upon anyone who kills her or disagrees with her, anyone who does so being a '******', of course. She doesn't wear armor and has a female character (hence my referring to her as she, given lack of evidence to the contrary). Frequently when killed, she'll mock her killer for being /so/ skilled for being able to kill a character without armor and a woman to boot. When asked why she doesn't just wear armor, she insists any truly skilled player handicaps themself 'like goku', which makes me think she's like...fourteen. She does this so consistently I'm almost wondering if she isn't using chat macros. She'll mock the other team for doing something then engage in the same behavior the next round. All in all, a griefer and a troll around. The sort who at first is infuriating and then, once recognized for what she is, entertaining, in an extremely annoying sort of way.

Dairy, I have nothing much to say to. He hasn't said two words to me, that I recall, before all this unpleasantness, and he's lied rather prominently (or so I assume, from the explanation's given by Darkness), in his explanations for his behavior. This may all be overreaction to drama, but it was drama he set out to create. I don't care about competitive play, or rather, I do to some extent, but the degree of it I enjoy is perfectly possible within the setting of a casual gaming vent server. I do, however, feel strongly about the behavior of those I play with. It's probably the most notable thing about me in most people's minds. Dairy, I must infer, finds my views objectionable. I say I must infer, because he's never spoken to me about it in any reasoned form, nor have I ever spoken to him in any significant sense. The first time I ever had a memorable encounter with him, was the day after Asha started showing up, with Dairy and Booya wearing the KoFag tags and Dairy taking to calling me a '***** ******', or something to that effect.

So, I don't have much to say to him, he's never bothered to /speak/ to me, thus, why should I? I can respect differences of opinion but KoFag seems dedicated to proving my point for me as to player behavior.

Truthfully, I'm as surprised as you both, Darkness and Ordo, as to Dairy and Booya's sudden shift in behavior. They never did anything particularly memorable before now, just names in vent that didn't talk much, and then this.

Anyways, I look forward to the rest of the vent community showing up later this evening so they can join in this discussion and corroborate what I've said.

Edit: Guh, ninja'd. Doesn't it usually do a thing where it warns you there have been new posts since you started writing? Anyways.

Darkness, I dunno, man. I don't think it's fair to attribute motives to Styo. I've spoken to him on Vent, and...well, power-mongering doesn't seem to be on his agenda. I can't speak for his inner thoughts, of course, but...Anyways, likewise, this incident was caused by his acting at the behest of a vent user being wronged (myself), and was done quite fairly, with a vote, that passed, and the result of the vote acted upon. Honestly, I'd like to think I have some reputation to trade upon, given my attempts to keep Warbands a friendly and welcoming environment for everyone who wants to enjoy the game without making it so others can't enjoy themselves too. I kind of don't want to be lumped in with Styo. I think he's kind of getting the short end of the stick in all of this, but if there is some sort of weird power struggle going on, I'm not taking sides in it. I am going to keep using Vent in game, though, and like I said, I'd like to think I have some reputation as the sort of guy who just tries to keep the game friendly and fun. And on that note, I don't especially want to have to play with people who, as you said, Darkness, are making rather nasty remarks at me, which insofar as I can tell are pretty much unprovoked. So that kind of puts me in an awkward position. I'm the one being harassed, I appealed to the only administrator available (I'd never spoken to Ordonator before today, and Darkness, firstly hadn't seen you in ages, and secondly, didn't know you were an admin on Vent), who took action in, from my perspective, a very fair and even-handed approach, and now the action taken has been undone, the admin in question has had his powers removed as a (possibly indirect, but still) consequence of it, and I either have to put up with those harassing me when I game, or be run off the server I've been using without issue or personal wrong-doing since the beginning of my time as a beta-tester.

 

[Archonsod]

The main problem with Vent is you can't log in as someone else and make them do something you can subsequently ban them for.

Unless you happen to know a good impersonator or something. Or maybe one of those cool boxes they always have in films that let you record their voice and then say anything using that voice.

 

[Styo]

Ok this is my last post. Why?

Darkness your immature, you keep bringing this matter to a bigger problem (you double in posts in my own thread). You are no one and have no say due to the fact you were not there when all this happened. Therefor stop being "the big guy" and mind your own buisness.

Now, Asha was in fact in vent. Couple times actually. He never talked. In game he is beyond annoying, and immature. Everyone in game always kicks him. Not to mention banned him a couple of times.

So Dairy and Booya were cool guys. Until, Asha came and brain washed them and now they support Asha in his stupid acts of immaturity. Which is pretty stupid. So there was about 8 of us in vent and we decided to ban Dairy for supporting Asha in being immature and starting drama in the game. So that is why i banned Dairy becuase he supports Asha and acts like a stupid child in game and everyone hates it.

To the Devs (dont know if you keep kicking/banning records) Asha is #1 in being Kicked/Banned. That should say something right off the bat. If not then im sorry that its not noticeable.

In conclusion I have my own vent. So none of you are to tell me what i can or cant do with my vent. If you dont like it, then simply dont join it and dont post about it and whine about it. This will happen sooner or later where there will be more vents and people will split apart. Its reality. Now grow up.

Take Care.

 

[Orion]

On the subject of Booya & Dairyproduct, they've become increasingly troll-like in-game and their lurking in vent gives our strategies a disadvantage. They make a point of playing on the opposing team so that they can hear our plans, tell their team, and defeat us. It's not winning or losing that's the problem, it's the lack of a level playing field.

Then, there's the KoFag thing. We know Asha has been trolling for a few days with his limited arsenal of responses (which consist of "good job you killed someone with no armor" and "you have to handicap yourself in order to improve your self"), and has generally been an undesirable player in the server. Along with trolling, he has intentionally glitched several times (most noticeably on Ruins, using the glitch to clip into the houses at the village spawn). Cheating and trolling. This is typical internet pre-teen omgh4x0rimabanugayfagomfgwtf behavior. Dairyproduct and Booya created KoFag, which is a deliberate stab at KoD (Sero's warband), implying that Sero's aim of fair and friendly play is "gay" and "faggish." More typical internet kiddie behavior. They also mimic Asha in several ways (for instance, they all run around stark naked, and they all abuse glitches). The decision to ban them was made by several regular users in vent. The names I recall were Reilnur, Sero, Baron_Wolfgang_von_Stadler, Styo, and my self. Consider the vote to be 4 users lodging a complaint about two other users, and the admin doing something decisive about it. What's wrong with that? Isn't that what Ordonator is doing now, with the complaint system? We just lodged complaints without using a built-in feature. Does that mean our complaints are invalid, and the well-deserved ban can be lifted? Furthermore, should the admin be punished for using what is essentially the same system Ordonator is enacting now?

I admire that Ord is keeping his vent open to everyone and that he wants to try and keep it clean, but in Styo's vent we're taking a more active approach. The complaint system is built in to Vent, it's not something Ord created or implemented. Lodging complaints is well and good, but nothing will be done if admins are apathetic or don't catch the person in the act. With a small admin staff, vent servers are the perfect trolling tool (go search "ventrilo harassment" on youtube). I could lodge several complaints against someone, but that doesn't necessarily mean they will be punished. Then, apparently, they can just appeal on the forums and be unbanned the next day, and the admin will have his privileges removed.

You guys can run your vent any way you like, but we're going to keep ours as well. There's no reason to let the investment go to waste. What you do now won't bring all of us back.

 

[Dairyproduct]

Being the lazy pos that I am, I edited in red.

Dairy, I have nothing much to say to. He hasn't said two words to me, that I recall, before all this unpleasantness, and he's lied rather prominently (or so I assume, from the explanation's given by Darkness), in his explanations for his behavior. This may all be overreaction to drama, but it was drama he set out to create. I don't care about competitive play, or rather, I do to some extent, but the degree of it I enjoy is perfectly possible within the setting of a casual gaming vent server. I do, however, feel strongly about the behavior of those I play with. It's probably the most notable thing about me in most people's minds. Dairy, I must infer, finds my views objectionable. I say I must infer, because he's never spoken to me about it in any reasoned form, nor have I ever spoken to him in any significant sense. The first time I ever had a memorable encounter with him, was the day after Asha started showing up, with Dairy and Booya wearing the KoFag tags and Dairy taking to calling me a '***** ******', or something to that effect.
The first time I ever said anything was that you took this game way to ****ing seriously and need to chill out, that was the first day you came here and it has been nonstop *****ing about other players or stupid ideas that almost nobody gives a damn about. It doesn't help that when someone says something about sexual preference or anything related to that you get all jumpy and butthurt about it.
Truthfully, I'm as surprised as you both, Darkness and Ordo, as to Dairy and Booya's sudden shift in behavior. They never did anything particularly memorable before now, just names in vent that didn't talk much, and then this.
You've been here for like a week and a half, I don't know how you could accurately make this presumption that I wear a halo at all times.

Darkness your immature, you keep bringing this matter to a bigger problem (you double in posts in my own thread). You are no one and have no say due to the fact you were not there when all this happened. Therefor stop being "the big guy" and mind your own buisness.
ironyironyironiyirnoiynoriny
Now, Asha was in fact in vent. Couple times actually. He never talked. In game he is beyond annoying, and immature. Everyone in game always kicks him. Not to mention banned him a couple of times.
Asha is always in vent listening to Sero ***** about everyone for a few hours.
So Dairy and Booya were cool guys. Until, Asha came and brain washed them and now they support Asha in his stupid acts of immaturity. Which is pretty stupid. So there was about 8 of us in vent and we decided to ban Dairy for supporting Asha in being immature and starting drama in the game. So that is why i banned Dairy becuase he supports Asha and acts like a stupid child in game and everyone hates it.
I've been friends with Asha so I don't understand this whole brainwashing thing, if you honestly think he broke into my brain and said "hey, i'm going to **** with sero today" you're pretty wrong. There was 5 of you in vent, 4 of you in the private room (most likely circlejerking about how good Baron is like always) and I was talking to another guy in the main room (which Baron was in because you guys gave the excuse that he would "say yes anyways". If anything you guys started the drama by going through the trouble to post all this **** because Booya and I are just having some fun, because this is a video game and you're on the internet where nobody gives a **** what you think.

On the subject of Booya & Dairyproduct, they've become increasingly troll-like in-game and their lurking in vent gives our strategies a disadvantage. They make a point of playing on the opposing team so that they can hear our plans, tell their team, and defeat us. It's not winning or losing that's the problem, it's the lack of a level playing field.
Public vent, move to another channel or screw off. Booya and I always join the other team because it's fun to hear Sero rage about every little thing, not to make our team win, there's no point in even doing that.(also refer to this is a video game)

Dairyproduct and Booya created KoFag, which is a deliberate stab at KoD (Sero's warband), implying that Sero's aim of fair and friendly play is "gay" and "faggish."
I created it more along the lines of "a stab at Sero implying that Sero is "gay and "faggish""
They also mimic Asha in several ways (for instance, they all run around stark naked, and they all abuse glitches).
Booya and I have been doing this since long before Asha had, he pretty much decided to do the same. The only glitch we ever used was the one on ruins, which we reported that night and then told Dark about it.
The decision to ban them was made by several regular users in vent.
More like several people who don't like me
The names I recall were Reilnur, Sero, Baron_Wolfgang_von_Stadler, Styo, and my self.
Cool, all of which hate me, 5 who are already biased towards me doesn't count for ****

You guys can run your vent any way you like, but we're going to keep ours as well. There's no reason to let the investment go to waste. What you do now won't bring all of us back.
Vent costs soooo much, I'm fine with Styo constantly coming into the original vent to see what's going on every 2 seconds under a top secret nick though.

Even though I pretty much shot myself in the foot here, I honestly didn't do much, Sero is just a gigantic drama-queen and really exaggerated everything horribly.

All in all, it has also come to my attention that you guys are new to video games.

 

[Booya!]

this is all i have to say. props to goku