I'm listing this as a bug because
- When you leave a kingdom's service, you lose every fief you've earned.
- When you convince a lord to leave his kingdom and join yours, he loses every fief his clan owns.
So when you have a scurrilous, poxy, raving-lunatic ingrate leave your service - he should not take your kingdom's fief(s) with him!
This happened to me last night: I convinced Gyphor to join me and he left Aserai, forgoing his fiefs. Gyphor didn't have a party at that time, so he wasn't in the army I assembled; I was headed to Vlandia. Once there, I took Ostican, and my Council awarded it to Gyphor... which shot his Relation with me to 87.
Then I sallied my army forth to snag a Vlandian party hanging about nearby, and we disposed of it. I took the army back into Ostican to heal the many wounded still left from the siege. While "Waiting" in Ostican, it suddenly turned red. The log said Gyphor had turned his coat to Vlandia. And there he was, buzzing around the entrance with his party of 20.
Now, in my opinion, having a vassal quit me when our relations are very high, and he has just received largesse, should not happen. And doubly so with ME and MY ARMY ensconced in the town he was awarded... especially when known Vlandians weren't even around to put "the questions" to Gyphor (because we were at war) - THAT qualifies as a bug. But I bet the devs don't think so.
So here is another issue: ME and MY ARMY of 654 healthy troops are sitting in Ostican. Gyphor and his 19 men have wigged out. The defenders FOR VLANDIA are the garrison troops I PERSONALLY installed from MY WARPARTY, and who I expect are still loyal to me, and a few militia. THE GAME only permits me to exit the town and then besiege it to get it back. I'm sorry, but my 654 men are IN POSSESSION and should hardly need to leave and fight to come back in.
Yes, the capital letters mean I am pissed. And I intend to back up the world to a previous save and restart it and give Gyphor no chance to play turncoat at Ostican.
Yes, I have a save, taken at the time I did the screenshot - just after Gyphor's perfidy. I will upload it and reference this thread. But it's the code that's always been there that needs to be changed, because it
- plays differently when the player's noble defects than any other situation
- does not take account of who is in physical possession of a fief, rather than just a political transfer.
- When you leave a kingdom's service, you lose every fief you've earned.
- When you convince a lord to leave his kingdom and join yours, he loses every fief his clan owns.
So when you have a scurrilous, poxy, raving-lunatic ingrate leave your service - he should not take your kingdom's fief(s) with him!
This happened to me last night: I convinced Gyphor to join me and he left Aserai, forgoing his fiefs. Gyphor didn't have a party at that time, so he wasn't in the army I assembled; I was headed to Vlandia. Once there, I took Ostican, and my Council awarded it to Gyphor... which shot his Relation with me to 87.
Then I sallied my army forth to snag a Vlandian party hanging about nearby, and we disposed of it. I took the army back into Ostican to heal the many wounded still left from the siege. While "Waiting" in Ostican, it suddenly turned red. The log said Gyphor had turned his coat to Vlandia. And there he was, buzzing around the entrance with his party of 20.
Now, in my opinion, having a vassal quit me when our relations are very high, and he has just received largesse, should not happen. And doubly so with ME and MY ARMY ensconced in the town he was awarded... especially when known Vlandians weren't even around to put "the questions" to Gyphor (because we were at war) - THAT qualifies as a bug. But I bet the devs don't think so.
So here is another issue: ME and MY ARMY of 654 healthy troops are sitting in Ostican. Gyphor and his 19 men have wigged out. The defenders FOR VLANDIA are the garrison troops I PERSONALLY installed from MY WARPARTY, and who I expect are still loyal to me, and a few militia. THE GAME only permits me to exit the town and then besiege it to get it back. I'm sorry, but my 654 men are IN POSSESSION and should hardly need to leave and fight to come back in.
Yes, the capital letters mean I am pissed. And I intend to back up the world to a previous save and restart it and give Gyphor no chance to play turncoat at Ostican.
Yes, I have a save, taken at the time I did the screenshot - just after Gyphor's perfidy. I will upload it and reference this thread. But it's the code that's always been there that needs to be changed, because it
- plays differently when the player's noble defects than any other situation
- does not take account of who is in physical possession of a fief, rather than just a political transfer.