Varyag

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Biyonik

Sergeant
It's a problem with a lot of weapons in game, for example, the Vlandian mace versus Empire mace, or the Eastern Throwing Spear being the best melee spear with such high dmg compared to the other spears.
Throwing spears in general are much better than normal spears for some reason unknown to me
 

CaNpoG

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Imo the Varyag looks really ugly at the moment. The biggest thing bothering me is the awkward helmet. I would bring back the goggled and veiled Nord helmet, and maybe have them use the plated armor (same as either Shock troops or Veteran warriors in sp, can't remember) with the improved armor perk. The return to a more nordic look would be really justified since they're literally called "Vikings" (Varyag, varangian = Viking).
 

tom54p

Knight
When chain attacking in 2h mode,the bastard axe is ridicolously quick.
Now this might have been fine BUT if you compare it to other weapons like bastard swords the difference is evident.
I mean i can't say i've ever swung a sword but shouldn't it be quicker than an axe?
On the other hand when the weapon is in 1h mode it's quite slow.Honestly it's fine if it's slower than other 1h weapons, i'd just tweak it a little to make it a bit faster than now, reduce the speed on the 2h chaining and it could become a good perk.
 

flashn00b

Sergeant
Dunno if anyone will read this, but I think i will bump this thread regardless. Because the next major update's looking to increase the price of cavalry units, maybe it'd be worth it for the Varyag to have his cost reduced to 150 to compensate?
 

Rizer

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Dunno if anyone will read this, but I think i will bump this thread regardless. Because the next major update's looking to increase the price of cavalry units, maybe it'd be worth it for the Varyag to have his cost reduced to 150 to compensate?
Game mode should really be stated when talking about class costs. For skirmish, this change seems like it would unreasonably buff Sturgia. The Varyag is (imo) the best heavy inf in the game. Reducing cost to 150 would allow everyone to double spawn as a Varyag from round 1, which would be too strong. If anything, the problem with Sturgia is not the Varyag, it's the warrior and brigand.
 

Mabons

Sergeant Knight
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@flashn00b is almost always talking about Sturgia in terms of TDM and Siege, and the problem with almost all of his suggestions and observations is that they are totally wrong for other game modes.

And even then I find that talking about balance in TDM or Siege which are confirmed casual game modes... doesn't really matter.
 
@flashn00b is almost always talking about Sturgia in terms of TDM and Siege, and the problem with almost all of his suggestions and observations is that they are totally wrong for other game modes.

And even then I find that talking about balance in TDM or Siege which are confirmed casual game modes... doesn't really matter.
Funny thing that Sturgia is best faction at Siege atm specifically thanks to Varyag being a total monster in close quarters with default good axe, unbreakable shields, best sword and monstrous bastard axe

About modes, considering there are about 300 people online on this game MP everyday average and about 200 of them are playing TDM and Siege at most (which is obvious, as barely anyone who played MB SP wants to play some CSGO medival, most of people want grandiose big battle at about 100 people on field), not taking Siege and TDM balance into considiration is... bad idea

At least remove couched and 2h slashing from horses Talewords ffs on these modes its a nightmare, im almost ok with everything else
 
Dunno if anyone will read this, but I think i will bump this thread regardless. Because the next major update's looking to increase the price of cavalry units, maybe it'd be worth it for the Varyag to have his cost reduced to 150 to compensate?
Im sorry but how increasing price of cavalry units is tied to Varyag at any way?
 

flashn00b

Sergeant
Im sorry but how increasing price of cavalry units is tied to Varyag at any way?
Because Raider's one of the few good units that Sturgia has. If they lose their 130 cost cavalry unit, then it's probably a good idea for Varyag to get a slight price decrease to compensate for this.
 
Because Raider's one of the few good units that Sturgia has. If they lose their 130 cost cavalry unit, then it's probably a good idea for Varyag to get a slight price decrease to compensate for this.
Rider? Good? Are you sure we are speaking about same game, because in Bannerlord rider is worst light cavalry, without OP couched lance option and without cavalry bow
Tbh whole Sturgia cavalry in MP is quite bad (only comparable to turtle-slow Cataphracts and Paper-HP Mamelukes) and its ok since its supposed to be an infantry faction instead of cavalry, and they do their job on ground pretty good atm
Sorry bro, but i dont see why you think Sturgia has no good units while it has almost every best land class in game, how in a goddamn you could call rider being "valuable" sturgian unit...
 

flashn00b

Sergeant
I'm probably just shouting at a wall at this point, but considering that the Vlandian Sergeant has gotten a Two-handed Sword to make up for his lack of bastard sword, I wonder if it'd be worth it for TaleWorlds to consider a two-handed axe perk.

I guess the best way to go about this would be make the 2H axe on Varyag be the same axe used by the Battanian Ranger (I mean, Empire has some Vlandian weapons in their arsenal), so as to not overstep on the Berserker's role.
 
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