Ok, So I'm going to make Swadian and Vaegir surcoats so I'd need suggestions on colors, emblems and the likes.
How do YOU see them?
how do YOU want them to look?
How do YOU see them?
how do YOU want them to look?
Vaegir/Swadian surcoats
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tunairaiol
Recruit
I always think of the swadians with a blue heraldric armor, with a yellow lion on the chest, I don't like the red heraldric armor for them tho, too agressive I think (blue/yellow, swadian/sweden hehehe).
the vaegirs I like to imagine something green with an axe draw in black or red, I don't know.
the vaegirs I like to imagine something green with an axe draw in black or red, I don't know.
I was planning on adding some of the stuff that Ryuta has done to the game on armor and shields.
Standard of the Vaegir Kingdom
Banner of the Vaegir King
Company Standard of the Royal Guard
For the Vaegirs I suggest a black and sanguine style with a green unicorn, symbolizing their patience and loyalty as a people, and their hope for a free nation, as well as the courage to achieve it.
Standard of the Swadian Kingdom
Banner of the Princess Iulia (or King, since there isn't really a princess NPC in the current versions :p Though it might be nice to later add elements from Ryuta's Graphic Novel to the game for flavor)
Swadian Guard Shield
For the Swadians I suggest a gold and red style. The lion would be red with golden shields and tunics. Possibly divided by black. This suggests the Swadian people's boundless courage in the face of war.
Edit: Colors chosen based on some heraldry information to match the respective animals that Ryuta drew.
Standard of the Vaegir Kingdom
Banner of the Vaegir King
Company Standard of the Royal Guard
For the Vaegirs I suggest a black and sanguine style with a green unicorn, symbolizing their patience and loyalty as a people, and their hope for a free nation, as well as the courage to achieve it.
Standard of the Swadian Kingdom
Banner of the Princess Iulia (or King, since there isn't really a princess NPC in the current versions :p Though it might be nice to later add elements from Ryuta's Graphic Novel to the game for flavor)
Swadian Guard Shield
For the Swadians I suggest a gold and red style. The lion would be red with golden shields and tunics. Possibly divided by black. This suggests the Swadian people's boundless courage in the face of war.
Edit: Colors chosen based on some heraldry information to match the respective animals that Ryuta drew.
Pretty horsys.
I suggest bright pink for the swadiens
, those swadiens are lil girls with their crossbows.
I suggest bright pink for the swadiens
, those swadiens are lil girls with their crossbows.Go easy on the paint chips there, killer.
Bleh, I'll just go make the textures right quick and preview them in game.
Before I put it on a game texture, the Swadian Kingdom Standard:
Next, the Vaegir Kingdom Standard.
I started to make this as I described above in my first post, but it didn't seem right. After a little while I came up with this, which I believe is an equally good style.
Next, the Vaegir Kingdom Standard.
I started to make this as I described above in my first post, but it didn't seem right. After a little while I came up with this, which I believe is an equally good style.
Ancientwanker
Master Knight
The core designs are nice though overall they have a certain traffic sign appearance. I feel the need to merge into oncoming traffic. Also, Id like to see green involved with the vaegir. With the horsies theyve got a kind of Rohan thing going. The yellow and red seem so closely related that its not as diverse an appearance as I would like to see between vaegir and swadia. red/yellow/black or blue/green/black seem like better opposites.
One thing Id like is a variation on whatever vaegir/swadia surcoat is used. An alterenate version for elite knights as I was going to put a new knight upgrade, the royal knight, into the next mag7. With all of the upgraded and alternate units in mag7 the knights have been sort of made into second class units. That doesnt seem right for a game called mount and blade.
Maybe something just one step fancier than the default national surcoat.
One thing Id like is a variation on whatever vaegir/swadia surcoat is used. An alterenate version for elite knights as I was going to put a new knight upgrade, the royal knight, into the next mag7. With all of the upgraded and alternate units in mag7 the knights have been sort of made into second class units. That doesnt seem right for a game called mount and blade.
Maybe something just one step fancier than the default national surcoat.
Updated Vaegir Standard
Vaegir Royal Guard (Looks better when scaled down)
Maybe Swadian Royal Guard
Random thing I made for possibly a secret elite faction or such (making another as well, don't know which is which yet)
Edit: I definitely like the new Vaegir one more. When I was originally doing it, those colors didn't fit well because I was making the horse green.
Vaegir Royal Guard (Looks better when scaled down)
Maybe Swadian Royal Guard
Random thing I made for possibly a secret elite faction or such (making another as well, don't know which is which yet)
Edit: I definitely like the new Vaegir one more. When I was originally doing it, those colors didn't fit well because I was making the horse green.
Good job noob, but IMHO Swadian banner could be more "noble" or more civilized compared to the vaegirs? Id suggest more how do you call it "royalish" banner for swadians, but good work looks very nice.
Winslow
Veteran
Some things about heraldry I was told when I started working up a device for the SCA might be useful here...
You're basically working on heraldry here...and there's one basic rule: it is for identification on the battlefield. Thus, there are a couple things to think about: Bold, bright colors, and bold, vivid designs. As much as I think they're very nice, the designs here are full of small details, and other than that, not much more...no one is really going to appreciate those details on a battlefield. Basically, when it comes to heraldry, bigger and bolder is better. Also, contrast is very important...the updated Vaegir Standard is very good because the central figure is entirely different than the background. However, the Swadian Royal Guard kinda blends, at distance, into a bluish thing....best guidelines are: white or yellow against black, red, green, blue, purple, or the reverse, but never a mixture of the two type: red on black will not stand out, while red on gold, or white on black, those are very distinct, while yellow on white is a disaster.
I'll admit, these guidelines are limiting, but it helps for making things look good.
Just thought I'd toss in a couple pennies of advice.
Now, that said, regardless of their final forms, I really look forward to seeing these in game!
You're basically working on heraldry here...and there's one basic rule: it is for identification on the battlefield. Thus, there are a couple things to think about: Bold, bright colors, and bold, vivid designs. As much as I think they're very nice, the designs here are full of small details, and other than that, not much more...no one is really going to appreciate those details on a battlefield. Basically, when it comes to heraldry, bigger and bolder is better. Also, contrast is very important...the updated Vaegir Standard is very good because the central figure is entirely different than the background. However, the Swadian Royal Guard kinda blends, at distance, into a bluish thing....best guidelines are: white or yellow against black, red, green, blue, purple, or the reverse, but never a mixture of the two type: red on black will not stand out, while red on gold, or white on black, those are very distinct, while yellow on white is a disaster.
I'll admit, these guidelines are limiting, but it helps for making things look good.
Just thought I'd toss in a couple pennies of advice.
Now, that said, regardless of their final forms, I really look forward to seeing these in game!
barbaros
Knight at Arms
They look good but,
Taking the winslow's info as a basis, I think the lion on the swadian surcoat should be completely filled with red, not just the red peripheral lines. It would be differentiated better from the background. Also the teeth are unnecessary.
And I think the blue geometric things in vaegir surcoat does not seem good.
Taking the winslow's info as a basis, I think the lion on the swadian surcoat should be completely filled with red, not just the red peripheral lines. It would be differentiated better from the background. Also the teeth are unnecessary.
And I think the blue geometric things in vaegir surcoat does not seem good.
Here's a screenshot of the Royal Guard armor
That looks really good.
Here are some screenshots I did for the Vaegir Footmen. Notice the diamonds on the arms, which is the rank of this particular footman texture. These are pretty big on the sleeves in game so you'll be able to see them around 100-200 ft in decent light (especially since they're shiny). For those of you that like the style and lightness of this particular armor, I'm also going to include a version with a Marshal rank insignia.
Yeah, the version with blue diamons I've decided will only be on the Royal Standard, rather than all armors. The other units will have somewhat different designs, but all matching.
You'll notice a weird block on the shield in the first screenshot. That's where the game popped up one of the shop NPC's names. I edited it out because it looked annoying.
You'll notice a weird block on the shield in the first screenshot. That's where the game popped up one of the shop NPC's names. I edited it out because it looked annoying.
