v .703: couched lance damage missing

[Slaists]

noticed the following weird occurence: i started a fresh character with the new version .703 (cheat mode not enabled). played the char until he was level 4. at this point he had a courser and was able to knock out river pirates with couched lance just fine.

then, i decided to recreate my old char (lvl 31) using cheat codes. all went fine until the point when i went back to my fresh-no-cheat character (the lvl 4 guy): he was no longer able to do couched lance... max damage 0-1 points... against river pirates...

as i said, he was doing fine until the cheat code was enabled. i tried disabling the cheat mode: no change... still 0-1 couched lance damage. i tried reinstalling the patch: same - no change (0-1 point couched lance damage). it seems the save game has been corrupted.

 

[Slaists]

yes, seems to be a problem with v 0.703... i restarted a new character: no cheats. got him to earn some money for a courser and a lance. still: 0 couched lance damage... this time the new char was lvl 1 when i tried him do couched lance.

 

[Narcissus]

Moving this to the bug reporting area ...

Narcissus

 

[Slaists]

lol, i already "kinda" did that... please delete one of the copies at your will

 

[Narcissus]

Done ... and thanks for pointing that out.

 

[Sir Prince]

I jsut had the same problem, it did no damage, and i failed to kill any infantry in a single hit and the most damage I did was 60.

 

[Slaists]

so, it might be that "cheat mode" actually had nothing to do with this bug. since i reinstalled the game and still observed the same... must be something else triggers the zero couched lance issue.

 

[Slaists]

someone mentioned the same issue in the .703 release thread. he also said that for him the problem went away after rebooting his system. did not fix it for me: still 0-1 hp couched lance damage after reboot.

 

[armagan]

Hi,

I guess I introduced this bug while making an attack hit both horse and rider in version 0.703. Anyway, it will be fixed in 0.704

The reason for the bug is that, every time your couched lance hits a horse, 50% of its force will be consumed. So as a temporary fix, just press the attack button once after you lance a horse. This will "refill" the lance's power. (Or you may wait for the next version and not use the couched lance for a while.)

 

[Slaists]

armagan, it cannot be the issue with the horse-rider boxes though... i am testing the couched lance on river pirates (foot soldiers).

also, the very same character created with version .703 had no problem couching for the first 2 levels: the problem kicked in suddenly. now - even freshly created characters cannot couch.

 

[Slaists]

yes, pressing the "attack" button seems to clear the couched-lance issue. back to normal damage now. nonetheless: this char had not lanced any horses over his career yet...

 

[Slaists]

it seems, the issue comes about not when the attacker hits a horse, but when the attacker's horse gets hit along with the attacker... i observed the zero couched-lance damage reappear after such attacks on my character. pressing attack button seems to clear the problem.

 

[Handel]

Damn! I was too good as a horse archer and thought this time to start with lance dance! Obviously will have to wait the next version to try it.

 

[Slaists]

well, you do not really need any extra skills for lancing (compared to a horse archer): all you need is riding and you've got that already, right?

 

[Handel]

That's true; but leveling up as a horse archer is somewhat boring already.

 

[Slaists]

it seems, that couched lance damage to infantry has been reduced in .703 in general. i still routinely do 100+ hits to horses and riders but infantry hits rarely go above 50 (mostly in 30-ies range)... and that's galloping on a spirited hunter at full speed on flat land... the "press attack button" does not seem to clear this.

 

[Handel]

The weird thing is the couched damage works in soem battles and in the next battle don't work. Both on infantry units.

 

[Luthius]

Guess i'll break tradition and make an archer then

 

[Slaists]

the problem is: all my horse archers have always been lancers as well... see, all you need for lancing in terms of abilities is riding... and you have it for horse archery anyway. lancing is especially useful after .632 since archery is practically useless while your proficiency level in it is below 200 or so...

back to the topic: could it be that it's the jousting lance (lances in general?) that is bugged now? i have been able to consistently out-do couched-lance damage of my jousting lance by using a metal staff... seems to be doing consistent close to 100 damage hits (riding at full speed on flat ground) versus infantry. have yet to see 0-couched-lance damage with the staff...

 

[Ancientwanker]

See, Im so stupid I thought the river pirates just had good armor for the first few times. Later I caught on. Later on I was able to couch with no problem though I dont know why.

Its either related to a specific weapon or some initiatilizing that goes on before each battle.