Upward Sword Cuts/Couched Spears

[Wild Bill Kelso]

I have recently purchased Mount and Blade and must say it has been one of the most thrilling games I have ever played.  However, there are two things I wish would be modified (I searched but could not find a topic on this within this area).

#1
When striking with a couched spear/lance, I wish that the spear would remain in the first victim, thereby forcing the rider to swtich to his secondary weapon.  The spear would still be equipped in his inventory and would reappear in the next battle

#2
implement and upward cut attack.  There is an attack going from up to down, but not from down to up.  When I tried to strike this way my character went into a thrust motion.  This could be implemented farily easily if you swtich the pure thrust to holding down the attack button with no movement, and having the down to up cut being added.

I apologize in advance if either of these two points has been discussed previously!

WBK

 

[sum1won]

I dont believe that truly upward sword cuts are actually real techniques used in combat.  Then again, I've done almost no sabre- mostly foil/rapier+dagger.

 

[Merentha]

I dont believe that truly upward sword cuts are actually real techniques used in combat.  Then again, I've done almost no sabre- mostly foil/rapier+dagger.

Yeah, you're wrong.  Almost of the cuts from the tailguards are unterhau.  Its not the most common technique, but it is done.

 

[sum1won]

I dont believe that truly upward sword cuts are actually real techniques used in combat.  Then again, I've done almost no sabre- mostly foil/rapier+dagger.

Yeah, you're wrong.  Almost of the cuts from the tailguards are unterhau.  Its not the most common technique, but it is done.

Like I said, I hardly did any sabre.  The only 'instruction' I got in it was when one of them brought a sabre, and showed me a little.

 

[Merentha]

I dont believe that truly upward sword cuts are actually real techniques used in combat.  Then again, I've done almost no sabre- mostly foil/rapier+dagger.

Yeah, you're wrong.  Almost of the cuts from the tailguards are unterhau.  Its not the most common technique, but it is done.

Like I said, I hardly did any sabre.  The only 'instruction' I got in it was when one of them brought a sabre, and showed me a little.

Its more of a two-handed sword technique, rather than something done with one hand. 

 

[Wild Bill Kelso]

Yeah I was thinking more towards combat with the longsword, but since there are so many different weapons, it may not be worth implementing the down to up cut.  Though I still think the couched spear/lance should only be used once.

 

[Merentha]

Yeah I was thinking more towards combat with the longsword, but since there are so many different weapons, it may not be worth implementing the down to up cut.  Though I still think the couched spear/lance should only be used once.

You might find several threads on the subject if you search for "breaking lances"

 

[sum1won]

A little practice work with a replica sword (I forget the name, late-period sword, slashing blade design, not thrusting, and never very popular- mostly used as a utility weapon, not a dueling one) convinced me that one could make an upwards slash, but it would leave one open at the start, and in an akward position afterwards.  It would be incredibly weak compared to other slashes, as well, due to the difficulty of following through.

 

[Merentha]

Believe me when I say that unterhau are viable combat strikes. 

 

[sum1won]

Believe me when I say that unterhau are viable combat strikes. 

I just found an intersting article on unterhau...  Apparently, they tend to be weaker than other strikes, especially when done one-handed.  According to the article, their main advantage is that they are unexpected enough to put an opponent off balance, opening them for the kill.

And with the kind of blade that I was using, they are all but useless, given a drastically different balance and grip combination which utterly gimps that kind of swing.

In otherwords, I bow to your expertise with weapons of that period.  I was trying it with a weapon which was still 2-3 centuries too late.

 

[BoomTown]

In regards to the spear point, perhaps you could tweak it a little by making it a chanced based thing on your strength or pole arm skill. When you lance someone there should be a chance that its ripped from you hand, if your strong enough to hold onto it then you should be able to do it again. Rather then only having one shot only.

 

[Merentha]

Believe me when I say that unterhau are viable combat strikes. 

I just found an intersting article on unterhau...  Apparently, they tend to be weaker than other strikes, especially when done one-handed. 

This is true.  It doesn't remove the utility of the cut. 

Sorry for the thread derail.

 

[Kissaki]

Upward cuts are really pretty much the same as horizontal cuts. Most upward cuts will only be a little lower than horizontal, anyway. From horseback, though, the horizontal cut of M&B ought to be much, much lower (to reach infantry), and vertical cuts could be more oblique downward cuts while the horse is moving, to reach both mounted and dismounted units.

 

[Merentha]

Upward cuts are really pretty much the same as horizontal cuts. Most upward cuts will only be a little lower than horizontal, anyway. From horseback, though, the horizontal cut of M&B ought to be much, much lower (to reach infantry), and vertical cuts could be more oblique downward cuts while the horse is moving, to reach both mounted and dismounted units.

If you look down while doing a horizontal cut on horseback, it does come through at a lower angle.  Its possible to cut almost parallel to your horse doing that.

 

[Subotai]

Upward sword cuts are quite common in my technique, especially after dueling with my friend years ago and I found myself being unable to fend off those orthodox sneaky strikes. Since then, it's a worthy attack for me and I wouldnt mind it being implemented in the game. Though, energy should be spent somewhere else I think... (tries not to mention the word)
(trys harder)
(gives up)

Sorry I can't resist - GORE!