Updated roman army style beta v1.2. (Link removed for now)

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Eagle114th

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Here are my first beta version of pre-marius roman style of army for Moutn and Blade, and in order, to install my mini-mod, open your troops.txt. Huge mod v2.0 and Mag. seven add-on mod for Mount and Blade is required. I also want to give huge thanks to both of these mod that have enchanced M and B to next level and keep us entertainmented, especially me while we are awaiting for the arrive of new stablized version of M and B in near future!

(link removed due to problems to issues with installations of this mod. New stablized and bug free version of this mod will be released in few days.)

Any of feedback would be appericated to improve my roman style for vaegir side from Mount and Blade, before I'd move on to replace Swadian army into Greek City of hellentic army.

I still am considering about what to replace roman general body guardian and gladitors, and I would like to hear any of suggestions from you guys!

Have fun!


Eagle out...
 
I am keep updating the list of fixes and new features below, to keep you up to date of what will be included in next versions of Roman army style mini-mod, and I am hoping that everyone will enjoy my mini-mod, with great thank to the famous authors of huge mod v2.0, and mag. seven mod for M and B!

To do list for Roman pre-marius army beta mod v1.3:

1) I have forgot to add horses to roman general bodyguardians, so they are without horses for now.

2) Vaegir's lt, captains, and leader will be changed into roman captains and generals. I will need people who have knowledge about pre-marius of roman army system to fill me with your suggestions about their rankings and equipments. For General, I am considering about giving him horse, with plate armours, unique helmets, while being armed with sword and steel shield only.

3) I have tweaked all of roman army's face to give them more roman looking instead of barbaric looking from vaegir army. I gave peasants, hastai, velites, archer, equites, and other young army young looking faces, while older princepes, taiarii, roman cavalry, and other older army midages looking face to show the different of ages and their experiences in combats.


Eagle out...
 
These are problems I'm having with modding. I am hoping that someone will be more than glad to give me me solutions to these problems.

1) I am having problem with giving horses to Roman's General bodyguardian. I tried giving their skills of riding to 4, but ingame, it doens't display it and they refused to ride on hunter horse.

Ancientwanker or noob, can you check on this one? Can you find out why they refused to ride on horses? Unless someone have better suggestion about replacing Roman's General Bodyguardian with foot army version upgrade after Roman Tariarii.

2) After giving hastai and other foot army that use large shield, every time battle started, only half of them have shield up while other refused to bring it up. I gave 3 of battle shields to roman hastai and after recruiting 45 of hastati, as I have stated my issues previously, only about half of them are using shield when using gladius and pilum. Other were holding gladius as if it were two handed polearm and it is very strange, and look like if they were about to cut the line on their palm for bloody revenge...?!

:???:


Eagle out...
 
ok... im not gonna complain toooooo much, but why did you replace the vaegirs?
wouldnt it fit more to replase the swadians? since it looks better to have romans fight "barbarians" than knights and men-at-arms...
 
A Roman Legion had 10 cohorts of 500 about men each one. Each cohort had about 500 heavy infantry men (armored whit sacale or chainmail armor, and later with the famous "lorica segmetata", a plate cuirass) armed with shield, pilum, gladius and puggio, and about 100 men called velites armed "randomly" with small shields, slings, bows, javelins and a very light armor. Head armor varied a lot, from earlier greek-corinto like designs (closed helmet) to later open and lighter helmets (as "coolus").

Thus, in a cohort the infantry formed a 20x20 formation, flanked by its velites. So, shielded (heavy infantry) men resisted charges while velites hostigated the enemy. Heavy infantry throwed its pilum (made to kill or neutralize enemy shields due its large iron edge) and after formed a shields wall. Then used their gladio (roman short sword) only thrusting with it in a very close formation like modern police does in city disturbs, puggio was a small backup knive. So, the enemy had very little space to handle his weapons while romans were safe behind their shields. Velites flanked and hostigated the enemy throwing projectiles, and helped in close combat if necessary; they actuated as light guerrilla infantry being off-formation.

What about legion structure? The cohorts could form in battle in a variety of ways, but the most commons was the "hastati", "principae" and "terciati" one. Its said that 5 cohorts were hastati, 3 principae and 2 terciati. Hastati formed in a first row creating the line battle, so if they were overwhelmed by the enemy they coould retire among pricipae lines (formed behind). If again, hastati and principae were routed, the retired between terciati lines. If finally routed, battle was lost. In case romans were going to win, generals send terciati or principae to flank the enemy lines.

Also, in a legion there was cavalry (about 300), composed of very light armored (earlier one even lacked good armor), longsword and no spears. After, round shields, armor and even spears were used as the auxillia cavalry was developed (about 100-150). Cavalry was used to flank the enemy, never to front-charges if they could avoid it. Also, auxillia cavalry was used as mounted velites. To end, there was a "free" part of the legion composed by "free velites" and bodyguards for the general (the consul). Free velites were normal velites not attached to a cohort and the general decided what to do with them. Also bodyguards fought mounted or by foot as the commander did. Later, dont remenber when, praetorian guard was formed, it was a elite bodyguar unit, heavily armored and formed by italian young aristocratics and ascended soldiers.

A consul had two legions under his command, thus forming a consullar army, wich was the most common organization. Each legion formed nex to the other as told above.

About "officers". For each ten soldiers, there was a "decurion" equiped equally as his soldiers, so each cohort had 50 infantry decurions and 5 for velites; they formed at the edges of 20x20 formation lines. For each 100 soldiers there was a "centurion", so a cohort had 4 centurions (there werent for velites) standing at each corner. Each cohort had its set of music, standart and "main officer" (dont remember its name, maybe constable). A consul elected by senate commanded two legions with his bodyguards, ussually there were only two consuls. Consuls and praetorians are supossed to used a different sword than infantry.

At last, infantry was chosen by a particular sistem from villages and towns, cause they were already used to carry heavy loads and had a hard life at fields. Cavalry was elected by the same way from cities population. Only roman citiciens of the provinces (wich was above from civilian status) where allowed to join legions, and they had stablished days each year to practice with weapons (so in this way they were skilled when called to arms). During campaings soldiers earned a salary and sometimes a part of the booty. After war they returned to they normal life as veterans (so at enxt call they could be chosen as officers). Also officers sometimes get some lands and properties as reward. Later this derived in a corrupted senate, wich desired the profits of war instead sharig it with legionares, that was the begginig of the emperors era. They started as possition for times of crisis, elected by senate and with full-powers. After they turned to permanent and hereditary, taking profit from senate´s corruption and barbarian threats.

Emperors as Maximillian and Marius changed everything, barbarians joined the army in exchange for lands, legion sistem was left, permanent army was created and so on, the "proffesional soldier". This began with the emperors era and derived in several civil wars in wich a general or another was the new emperor.

Sorry for the long post and spelling mistakes. I hope it will be useful to you.
 
Eagle, if you have problem adding horse to bodyguard, then don't. General's bodyguard (Praetrian Guard in republic, or Extraordinarii) contains both cavalry and infantry. Maybe use the name General's foot guard (or as such) and try to add (or change to) cavalry later when you figured out how.

And great jobs!
 
Waylander918 said:
There was a lot of Roman vs. Roman fighting near the end... but he did say this is Pre-Marius.

yeah... but theyre not fighting romans... theyre fighting medieval kinghts!
 
Second version of updated beta are released, and you will have different experiences with these new troops now. I am still figuring out why more than half of foot army refused to use shield when using gladius (broadsword with new animations) and other weaopns. I am asking for someone, especially noob and anicentwanker help me to solve these issues in my mod.

Have fun with new updated version of roman style mod!


Eagle out...
 
Dont know about the horses but make sure you click the mounted box in the editor to force the use of horses, otherwise it will be 50/50 if they use one. Make sure they have the right riding skill level as well.

And as has been said you cant force shields yet. Some will have them, some wont.
 
Oddball_E8 said:
ok... im not gonna complain toooooo much, but why did you replace the vaegirs?
wouldnt it fit more to replase the swadians? since it looks better to have romans fight "barbarians" than knights and men-at-arms...

Because I will replace Swadan's army with Greek's hellentic army style while I am beta testing it.

I will release greek hellentic army later after the final release of roman army style in short future.


Eagle out...
 
Any of feedbacks? Opinions and suggestions?

If any of you liked or hated my mod, at least, could you guys please give me a feedback on this mod.

I am trying to do impossible task by adding overhaul (sp?) attack of hoplite way based on throwing javelin animations. I will let you know how it is going, so you would see both new gladius (which is already included in this second beta of roman army style), and new hoplite fighting in next release of roman and first release of hellentic army beta.


Eagle out...
 
Ryuta said:
Eagle, if you have problem adding horse to bodyguard, then don't. General's bodyguard (Praetrian Guard in republic, or Extraordinarii) contains both cavalry and infantry. Maybe use the name General's foot guard (or as such) and try to add (or change to) cavalry later when you figured out how.

And great jobs!

I have changed the army of general bodyguardian into veteran Triarii for now, until someone, including you have better suggest to replace veteran Triarii for new upgrade of Triarii.

So you see, for foot army, it goes like this:

Roman peasants > Hastati > Princeps > Triarii > Veteran Triarii (for now, and is waiting for suggestions from any of you to replace this new roman elite foot army.)

for missile units:

roman peasants > Velites > roman archer > roman syrian archer

for cavalry:

roman peasnats > Hastati > Roman equites > Roman cavalry

(roman equites cavalry can only be recruited AFTER hastati because if I try to change the upgrade system, the game kept ctding on me. This will be changed after new stablized version of Mount and Blade get released with bug fixes and new addition features.)


Eagle out...
 
For someone who is growing frustated and tired of getting their roman army being massacred when being stretching too thin all over battle land. Here are useful tips for you.

Right after the battle have began, click on number 1 to give your troops command to hold their positions. You may will have to click that kind of command few times, instead of doing them once. When enemy approached and clashed into your army, click on 3 to tell them to CHARGE!

That is how I have massacred entire enemy army of foot and cavalry while using different commands to keep my men together.


Eagle out...
 
New Roman of pre-marius reform army style mod are out, and this time I have zipped everything in native folder for you guys to drop them and over write everything in mods folder from Mount and Blade main folder.

But dont forget to read 'READ ME' notepad before installing my roman mod, and if link is not working, please let me know.

ENJOY!

And again, feedback and idea/suggestions from you guys will be appericated.


Eagle out...
 
I uploaded screen shots of actions with few of Roman's different type of army, check them out at new topic at mod discussion. I also include one of teaser picture of Greek's armour hoplite as well, to keep you busy for a while!

However, I am truly hoping that some you who haven't tried my mod, will take a time to reconsider and try it out.


Eagle out...
 
Im gonna try your mod out! But I was wondering, didnt roman infantry have red armor/square red shields? I know you cant make square ones just yet. Anyways, I'll dl it and let you know how awesome it is! :cool:
 
I installed Hugemod and Mag 7, but I could never get the Knight/Berserker/Steppe Raider thing working, and the Roman mod isnt working (no names, weapons, items of Romans) and I think it's because of that. I did the instructions but I dont get how to choose it :sad: Any help?
 
StarWolf said:
Im gonna try your mod out! But I was wondering, didnt roman infantry have red armor/square red shields? I know you cant make square ones just yet. Anyways, I'll dl it and let you know how awesome it is! :cool:

Dont worry, these completely new feeling of gameplay with your new style of army and equipments should keep you busy until new version of Blade and Mount come out with an official mod tools that will have model import/exporter.


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