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From what i see, the TW is always well equipped with heavy armor and 2H swords. Some of you even trot around in Plate armor and on Plated Chargers.

It's not flaming, it's a message from me to get your sh*t together, because right now the TW causes 5 times as much problems as they solve.
 
Eragon, get your **** together, as far as I've read in the complains thread, you are that Delinard guy yes?
 
Well today i was enforcing the law 7 hours and i also helped couple of peoples , of course i killed some if they were members of the rebelion and yes my duty is protect the peoples but with some admin on

you expect me to help and protect peoples while im beining random attacked ? Allright i can try that but i need  some admin online
while my 7 hours gameplay there was active admin maybe 2-3 hours

"limitless money " if you think 3k in 5 minutes for 14 peoples is enough allright , and if someone is stupid enough to dont stop after beining called to 5 times then im not sure what im suposed to do should i just let them to leave town after crime and let them come back and to that again ?

Anyways those guys i killed are mostly trolls and randomers i never killed someone just for "fun" and maybe if admins will do their jobs corectly town guard wouldnt be needed on server..
 
Eragon91 said:
From what i see, the TW is always well equipped with heavy armor and 2H swords. Some of you even trot around in Plate armor and on Plated Chargers.
Was this back in TW days or nowadays? If nowadays then maybe they’re newly joined or unofficial? Don’t ask me why I’m defending them.
 
warring factions usually have to run further to get to fight each other that's how the impression comes up. If I aim for it I can easily get killed 3 times in 2 minutes by the tw, several tests have prooven this. On the other hand the only proof I get for this actually, is that I am a capable troll.

I really don't want to go in detail now that late, specially as this Tw/g issue is not that new.

All I say is that I know from personal experience with police forces as well as riot mobs and practical anarchic status, that as long as everyone keeps there hands empty, usually nothing bad happens.

As long as I am talking directly to the guy infront of me under the helmet, and i am not aiming at him with like a stick or knife, it is very likely that we can, depending on the individual's personality, have a quick (or even long and interesting sometimes) chat, mainly to exchange info about current happenings (pw example: Guard tells me that they just before had to fight down two knights who came in town charging peasants fleeing the bondage of the enemy Lord, explaining me that the crossbow shots I just saw are not totally random as I thought, but there was an actual threat. After all, we are not in a anarchic cop vs. commoner/outlaw setting, in theory).

as soon as something happens, can be trouble/fighting nearby, can be an alarm over Headset for the cop, the scene will very likely interrupt (after all, he is here to protect private property and I am here to protest against it. This target differs my setting from pw, where we simply fight for the fun in it and not for a cause, ah respawning with all your teeth several times a day... but does not matter), either by the cop putting on his helmet and marching to wherever he is ordered (80% chance he won't say bye when called over headset, he will very likely act immediately without explanation, leaving me not knowing what he is doing next), or me acting first.

Options here in this situation for me, the commoner/outlaw (doesn't matter, the cops can't meta without the relevant info present ic on the scene- very unlikely):
A: I ask the cop what he is going to do.
If I wait until the radio message in his ear is over, I have a good chance he give me a second and explain why is going to do what now (not in particular, but enough to make sure he won't turn around the next second to shoot me and my friends in the back if I turn)
B: I draw my "stick" or knife (and yes, some people even a small axe :wink:)
to attack preemptive or be ready for the cops "random attack" which I expect in my paranoia. This is what we see happening all day long on the server, and afterwards it's "'t was just a hatchet/rusty sword/crossbow omg".
The reaction is usually the cop drawing a (superior) weapon faster and making sure I am no threat anymore pretty fast (he actually has to know me personally  to accept me nearby with drawn weapons usually, and as we talk of rl here, even the possession is a crime in most countries where the police as a significant force)
C: I pour my beer over his head and wait what happens.
3% chance he laughs and offers a cigarette, 4 % chance he shouts at me that I have to be mad and that this is disrespect of an officer and I will be sued for this, 93% chance he straight smacks me one before he starts talking. If I then try to sue him, his officer in charge will not be happy and talk to him that he doesn't have the priviledge to just hit at dumb young people at riot who did nothing, but in the end nothing will come out, which is fair as I simply tried my best to piss him off (for those who haven't got it yet, this is what reflect sthe most advanced rp method of provoking tw/g).
Sidenote: Do NOT do this to a cop with drawn weapon, he will most likely NOT put it away before he smacks you.


It's funny how much examples an open riot in town gives for our pw matter here :lol: if we had cars, they'd burn every day.


Make of that what you want, I'll wait for spring, rioting is more fun in nice weather.
As long as that, don't forget we do not play in reality and idealistic pictures such as a town watch actually helping and protecting the commoners can work anytime, under the right circumstances, and not forever, due to the fact that you have to log out some time. I just can highly advice for any persistant faction, official or not, to only have one (or several but daily communicating) leaders. If this person logs out, then take your 30 seconds to rename and rebanner your faction (and kick a bunch if you have the feeling this horde should not let be free on the server).
That's why I got so less complaints ooc about my faction randoming whenever I run it btw, even if it consisted of the biggest "randomers" in amounts of 15+. If something happened, I was usually to reach for the victim to demand justice, effectively saving us all the time to debate here by explaining, apologizing and refunding the damage my stupid men did (vice versa, tell the beggar to piss off and be happy to keep all his fingers or something if his complaint was unreasonable, punish hard if he actually provoces trouble)


And two last cents about pw and its mechanics and how you could make use of them when roleplaying the cop (good or bad, doesn't matter):
Imprisonement is always the hardest penalty, because death grants freedom. People in cells can not hurt anyone not stepping to close and thus do no damage. This counts in particular for the so called randomers that run in town and hatchet the first possible target out of boredom.
Offer all creativity you have to impress the kid for a second, if he still approaches you, instead of shooting him the face, try to kick him away or horsebump to keep him from starting the senseless fight he desires.

why all this hazzle with annoying randomers you ask?
Because of the obvious reward, stupid. If I kill the guy he respawns after 30 seconds around the corner to come again.
If I lock him up, he can only stay there (important to feed and generally not forget people in prison as long as it's not intended) I have 15 minutes or more of peace time  where this guy won't make any trouble in town.
 
Alloo said:
Allright it would be good if you read stuff before this.

I annouced this Kos on outlaws after vlad the impaler started revolution with outlaws , nearly every outlaw was randoming Town guard and by this way i tried to warn other outlaws to keep away from town , i know its a bit metagaming but after i was  killed in ilegal revolt i really dont had any other idea how to deal with this.

Anyways riping messages from context isnt really nice

And you can also ask every guard online at that moment and he/she will proove that outlaws were randoming.

Still not allowed at all, no matter the context previously. You cannot declare the entire outlaw faction KOS. If they are randomers, deal with the individuals and/or report to admins. Don't break rules and try and declare it "okay".

How do you not know how to deal with this?
Someone randomly attacks you, Kill them and report to admins. It is no different than any other player.
 
Alloo said:
Allright it would be good if you read stuff before this.

I annouced this Kos on outlaws after vlad the impaler started revolution with outlaws , nearly every outlaw was randoming Town guard and by this way i tried to warn other outlaws to keep away from town , i know its a bit metagaming but after i was  killed in ilegal revolt i really dont had any other idea how to deal with this.

Anyways riping messages from context isnt really nice

And you can also ask every guard online at that moment and he/she will proove that outlaws were randoming.
if i was on, and i saw you KOS an outlaw you would have a nice little slay comin your way, and if it continued then i would just ban you, i am tired of people using the excuse that people are part of the outlaw  faction as an excuse to random or instigate, in fact when i was on the server yesterday i had someone come up to me and blatantly meta-game about an outlaw next to me. Any such actions will have their re-actions.
 
I think TG need to entirely remove this "We are here to handle randomers" idea. As that is what causes a lot of problems. Admins are there to handle randomers, if admins aren't there, file a complaint like everyone else, kill you attacker if he starts to random you.

The issue is everyone thinks there are special rules and exemptions to when you are handling a randomer, as opposed to handling a normal IC situation. Then it becomes a perception problem. When johnny or jane was/is later found out to actually not be randoming, and you've acted with your set of "rule exemption" reactions like KOS and pre-emptive assaults without rp (read: randoming), it makes you guys look bad.

Play within the rules, stop feeling special. Roleplay and handle situations appropriately instead of acting like junior admins.
Eragon91 said:
As a Town Watch, you have a certain duty to attempt to contain the violence first, not just shoot first ask later.

You are protected for a reason and have access to almost limitless money. And that is not so that you can enforce some sort of dictatorship around the town.

You are there to Protect people. But from what i see, most of the time all you do is harm people. For ever person you "help", you kill 5 others. Then wonder why the mob dislikes you.

If you see a fight, contain it. Don't rush in and kill the fighters. Prevent them from harming innocents by keeping them away from the public. Kill them, and all they will do is come back, fight again, and try to get some of you with them for being backstabbing dicks.

If someoen steals a horse, then don't just immediately shoot the person. Either get a horse and chase after him and stop him, or buy a new horse for the victim. It's not as if you cannot afford it.

If two people are punching eachother, don't run in there waving your 2H swords in a hailstorm of arrows and bolts.

This...so much this. TG auto kills a lot. No wonder everyone gets pissed off and wants to kill TG, you assume things and go in swinging.
 
Boarlady said:
Alloo said:
Allright it would be good if you read stuff before this.

I annouced this Kos on outlaws after vlad the impaler started revolution with outlaws , nearly every outlaw was randoming Town guard and by this way i tried to warn other outlaws to keep away from town , i know its a bit metagaming but after i was  killed in ilegal revolt i really dont had any other idea how to deal with this.

Anyways riping messages from context isnt really nice

And you can also ask every guard online at that moment and he/she will proove that outlaws were randoming.

Still not allowed at all, no matter the context previously. You cannot declare the entire outlaw faction KOS. If they are randomers, deal with the individuals and/or report to admins. Don't break rules and try and declare it "okay".
How do you not know how to deal with this?
Someone randomly attacks you, Kill them and report to admins. It is no different than any other player.
Tags make people blind, they move too fast to read, so they aim for colors.

For why killing people never helps the tw cause anyway, read the end of my wall of text.

if i was on, and i saw you KOS an outlaw you would have a nice little slay comin your way, and if it continued then i would just ban you,
It always needs two. And as long as admins do the mistake of trying to find out if either the tw or the bandit behaviour was legit instead of, for example, give the advice to not kill each other and enforce that to both sides, it will stay a permanent crisis situation with both sides watching each other cautiously waiting for the reason to attack something (no matter if for fun or out of the felt need for status quo or a change in government).

for every tw kill there is a victim to talk to, and in 80% of the cases it is troublesome commoners wo do it again and again and again (and most time on very low niveau, aka peasant running in town, grabbing horse starting to bump people on market).

If you punish the tw, the troll will sit with a smile and go on lure the next guard in his trap. If you punish the robber, the tw will act exactly the same the next encounter.

If you actually want to change the hostile atmosphere, you needed to give both people more purpose. A tw-not-owned-commoner-peaceful-town does not work as there is no character who is responsible for the **** happening in the streets and no specified duties for the guards and civilians that can be adjusted anytime ingame.

Counter-Example in Practice here is once again Lowlands, where the tw was not run as independent tw most of the time, but usually the town castle faction.
the guards of the town faction patrolling in the streets (more or less present) had it under control most of the time, and provided a safe environment for those who wanted to resid in town. Riots occured and vanished as they should in totalitaristic regimes, one person rallies a few people for whatever cause (Bread), the rabblerouser's head was rp put on a spike on the town wall and Bread handed out to the mob.
Oh yeah maybe the calm atmosphere also had to do with hatchet-peasants spawning a mile away instead of infront the town ready to riot and shout random more.

I think TG need to entirely remove this "We are here to handle randomers" idea.
Entirely yes, but for historical accuracy I want to mention at this point that admins running the original tw brought up all this non rp **** with tw assisting admins when server is troublesome (or admins funding tw to beat some non existing organized mob down), tw fighting "randomers", and kept all this alive.

Later some admins had the idea to "investigate undercover", to find out if the tw was really randomers, and wasted tons of time to set up situations in which a tw would slay people several times after another.

Maybe it's neither the tw nor the commonerscausing the actual situation. From my impression the poor guys both just suffer under it (besides the occasional grin when YOU was prooved right by admin)

Or does anyone enjoy this?
 
Rifpin said:
Herbiazors said:
I'm sitting and waiting, my excellent and evil plot is soon fullfilled, Raven away to the keep! Woosh!

You really seem like a Tzeentchian sort of guy.
I bet it will take at least one person to get him out of there.
 
"deal with the individuals and/or report to admins" Well i like to contact admin but when there wasnt any online ? and i really dont like to make 30 screens and then post it on forum , And i didnt KOS any outlaw it must be another guard , by that kos annoucment i just wanted all outlaws keep out of town because there was Revolt running and no revolution faction was created ( ilegal revolution i guess ) so outlaws was KOS us , and i whrote this annoucment after 30 minutes beining randomed by outlaws/commoners


And its really easy to whrite how we should do our job for Admin try create new name and be in town guard for 1 day and you will see
Peoples mostly have respect to "GA" name and obey the rules when is one of em online

And i really like to help peoples not kill them.. But 70% of commoners/outlaws are not able to roleplay with Town guard just troll ,random attack, etc. also im sure we can ban someone from town and if he come back we inform him he is
banned and if he return again/stay we are alowed to kill him  ( of course we are not banning peoples from town just for fun )

if i remember right Town guard was called back because there wasnt much admins and they needed to enforce peace in town so allright you can disband town guard again but this ****  will happen again..

I like to close this case now as i see you wont believe me what happened or believe town guard that our job is not easy as it look like
And really try to be more in game and not on forums that would make those chases much much easyer thanks.
 
hey i know im not a guard but i was in the TG faction yesterday, and the outlaws WERE randoming ppl in town and vald the impaler guy was saying stuff about TG and that we(you) "the TG are randomers who cant RP and think they can get away with anything." and "**POSTER** JOIN THE REVOLUTION TODAY, RISE UP IN TOWN" (i cant remember the rest but he was uprising and causing outlaws to random(some commoners too but they stoped)

Knight_Tiberious_of_Swadia
 
Alloo said:
Well today i was enforcing the law 7 hours and i also helped couple of peoples , of course i killed some if they were members of the rebelion and yes my duty is protect the peoples but with some admin on

you expect me to help and protect peoples while im beining random attacked ? Allright i can try that but i need  some admin online
while my 7 hours gameplay there was active admin maybe 2-3 hours

"limitless money " if you think 3k in 5 minutes for 14 peoples is enough allright , and if someone is stupid enough to dont stop after beining called to 5 times then im not sure what im suposed to do should i just let them to leave town after crime and let them come back and to that again ?

Anyways those guys i killed are mostly trolls and randomers i never killed someone just for "fun" and maybe if admins will do their jobs corectly town guard wouldnt be needed on server..

i helpd xD, we did manage to keep order for like 6-7 hours until the "revolt" started and then we had to lock down because stupid outlaws were destroying the gates, i tried my best to stop them but it wasnt much use :sad:.

plus Marvin_thebird and Rave were with us and i think we did a really good job to be honest, because well face it im defo not as much a pro as scorp or DrDoom but me and the other TG tried really hard
 
JackMoon said:
I am not contacted,I am denied or accepted?

same, scorpia could you please tell us i been waiting since last month(1 month on other forum you never said if i was acceoted or not), and im really anxious please reply

P.S i dont want to be pushy

Knight_Tiberious_of_Swadia
 
"**POSTER** JOIN THE REVOLUTION TODAY, RISE UP IN TOWN"
You clearly have heard the admins: There could be one poor guy amongst the outlaws who has nothing to do with it (or someone pretending to not be part of a gang, but standing nearby, trying to get "randomly" shot....  :roll:)
until the "revolt" started and then we had to lock down
There we have the easy solution. If the mob does not want cops on the streets, get inside, wait for half an hour.
They will cry for order soon enough.
 
Why are there so many people on this thread, reporting randoming by outlaws, and other rule breaking cases?

The town guard has no relation with any administrating, as Prade has told many times in the general chat. People need to realise, that the faction is mainly just a roleplaying faction, who is acting according to a own made up set of roleplaying rules for town. And even if people host a rebellion, it is alright and perfectly legal if they have a faction, with some IC reasons ofcourse.

But well, you can't expect to much RP in united..

Edit: so if you'd like to report randoming in town, or any other place on the map, report it to the admins or the specific thread instead.
 
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