United European States, possible or not?
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First, the US is a political union, one country and one nation. Their fiscal federalism has been "built" for 200 years so it's not really easy (nor fair) to compare it to European system which is relatively young. Second, I don't think there is a way that states break a fiscal union without breaking their political union first. Without usual strong political support by their federal government, their largest companies would be wiped off the world economy map quite soon if performed alone so their benefit wouldn't last long.MadVader 说:
Anyways, the eurozone is not a bad idea at all but disunited political system in Europe is a brake.
Austupaio
Duke
Take it from someone who has experience living and working in a variety of states North and South, on the East and West Coasts; they aren't.Vermillion_Hawk 说:
Only the most bumpkin of back-water folk give two hoots about Confederacy. A businessman from Atlanta is no different than a businessman from Pennsylvania.
I was more referring to those places. The major cities are all relatively culturally similar across the country, perhaps even the continent if I was to go that far, excepting a few individual quirks. There is still though, from my experience, especially in more of the "Deep South", not necessarily an idea of an independent Confederacy but of a Southern culture that is unique from the rest of America, one that occasionally clashes with the culture of the "North".
Austupaio
Duke
I'll admit that when you dig into the more the rural areas, skipping over sub-urban, there's a more noticeable cultural difference. Can't say I'd call it a prominent divide though, I mean I've met some of the most racist, ignorant bigoted stereotypes you can think of, during my time in Louisiana no less, and I don't think they would truly have trouble integrating with a community in the north anymore than someone else.
Unless their new boss was black, but plenty of Northerners still have trouble with that too.
Unless their new boss was black, but plenty of Northerners still have trouble with that too.
What is actually considered worse, black guy or a woman?
Black woman.
Austupaio
Duke
Depends on whether or not the guy in question has had successful relationships or not; can't get a girlfriend or several divorces under his belt? Hates women, women are worse.Teofish 说:
Actually managed to not be a social failure and get with a few women happily, maybe even happily married? Blacks are the devil.
And that, that's pretty bad. Unless it's Condi.Vermillion_Hawk 说:
Because they come and steal said women with their ginormous penises, right?Austupaio 说:
There's a plethora of available scapegoat excuses, including but not limited to black people stealing jobs, owning property, having rights, etc.
Jhessail 说:
I think the point is that the tax money of any person might be used for things he doesn't care about in some other backwash country he doesn't care about.Austupaio 说:I don't know how there's a nation in Europe you would never see if you live in Europe.
It's what, a day drive to reach practically any country starting from Germany?
Which is especially funny when they pay some peasants in said backwater country to grow tomatoes, which they then buy themselves and then destroy to keep the prices stable.
Bulgaria might be a bit tricky, but other than that, yeah. One day.Austupaio 说:I don't know how there's a nation in Europe you would never see if you live in Europe.
It's what, a day drive to reach practically any country starting from Germany?
Which is still a BS lie. Vast majority of each country's tax revenue goes back into that said nation. EU budget is a very small portion of each national budget. And that same line could, again just like the laws/decrees one, used inside a country.Teofish 说:
I could ***** and moan why my tax money is spent to build a road in Lapland. Or why is some of it used to pay artists and scientists grants. Or as foreign aid to Africa and Asia. Or to build schools - WTF do I caré about schools? I don't have any children. It's an endless swamp of whining, once you get started.
You can argue about the proportions but not the principle. Unless you're an Anarchist or a Libertarian.
My point was that people can tolerate a lot of crappy governmental money-sinks so long as their tax money don't go to "dirty foreigners".
"dirty peasants"Teofish 说:
"lazy unemployed drunks"
It's just a matter of perspective, my dear wannabe-bunker-building fjord-lover
There are people who oppose the welfare state, or at least the benefits given to unemployed - and they oppose them just as vehemently as the race-crowd opposes benefits to refugees or immigrants. Or Greece, Portugal and Spain.
