Undocumented Patchnotes e1.1.2

[Scar]

That was a misunderstanding on his part which was quickly and firmly resolved. The irony of bringing up private conversations publicly to condemn someone for not respecting privacy is wack.

Shockingly misrepresentative of what actually happened. I recalled an incident, not a misunderstanding by the way, that is known to enough community members to call it public knowledge, mostly because Aeronwen and I were not directly spoken to by anyone and instead had to run after tons of people. I did, in no way, shape or form post parts of or complete private conversations, wack you claim I did.

Fietta's arrogant and self-righteous way of lecturing others on unfounded claims and how to be reasonable, when these people actually got a perfectly viable standpoint in the discussion, is an absolute joke. I expected that he'd tone down that kind of behaviour a little at least after his punishment - punishment, if you can call it that. Appearently though this is the new style of debate that we want to see here on the forums, so I'll see myself out.

 

[Younes]

They dont fix stuff
> omg communication is bad waaa
> they dont care about my opinions

They fix stuff
> waaaaaaa
> think of every possible reason to insult
> waaa they dont want to admit it's broken so they do it in secret!

I'm surprised they're actually fixing it considering the nitpicking on anything they're doing. They're fixing it, good, try not to nitpick.

You missed the whole point of the OP.

Its not the fact they did changes, its the fact they didn't mention them in the patchnotes. How much more shadow patchnotes you think happened under our noses?

 

[Tork789]

When your incessant, frivolous reports of completely acceptable posts create a mountain of spam for staff to sift through, then there's nothing sensitive about it except how far you were willing to go to be a pest.

So it's okay for you to breach privacy because reasons, I see now. I guess it was necessary, because sending a PM was just not enough, especially considering that it was you who encouraged me to report the toxic behaviour(which is totally acceptable as I now know) in previous PMs.

As usual, you're welcome to bring it up with any other member of the staff if you still have concerns.

Nah thanks, the last time I tried I was dismissed with a message that "You should know what you did" and promptly ignored after I tried to specify what exactly was the problem.

 

[Fietta]

You missed the whole point of the OP.

Its not the fact they did changes, its the fact they didn't mention them in the patchnotes. How much more shadow patchnotes you think happened under our noses?

Well I did answer the OP with a potential issue with internal communication between the developers, though it was just food for thought.

They gotta have their internal git system where they can branch the code between different teams, it's a bad idea to push your changes to the main branch without any code review. Also, if they have at least some sort of adequate development process someone has to look at PR and approve it so the changes must be seen by at least 2 people. Also, most of the work most devs do they pick up from some sort of tasks system so when something is done they check it as ready. So it shouldn't be really hard to track what has been done in the past week even for non-dev employee.

Dunno really odd thing from TW considering everyone whines about lack of communication. It takes like half an hour to look through git diff and list all the changes.

That's true, although it is 80+ people working from home all doing things individually - but I guess there's a QC team or something to look at the changes, just word for thought ofc.

l
Your explanation sounds to me like you're assuming there is only one branch, which, while possible, wouldn't be very smart, as that would lead to things being released that aren't meant to be released yet

It is TW

 

[부부를 넘어서 가자]

Would be surprised if they even forgot to add one SP patch note.
Saying it's a lack of communication from both sides is a joke.

 

[Caps]

they couldve messed something up with the beta branch, or give us the changes early on and callum will only get the notification next week

 

[Fietta]

they couldve messed something up with the beta branch, or give us the changes early on and callum will only get the notification next week

It's happened before (or so I've been told) and they added the patch in the next notes.

I recalled an incident, not a misunderstanding by the way, that is known to enough community members to call it public knowledge, mostly because Aeronwen and I were not directly spoken to by anyone and instead had to run after tons of people.

I've only messaged Callum or other moderators of the situation, the logs were not public, very few people (only the ones involved) had any logs - if they became public, that wasn't my doing. If there's been an exchange of logs between others from what I've said to Callum then that's nothing to do with me. I sent the 'private message' for a moderation standpoint, to which escalated. I for one apologised for my wrong doing of the misrepresentation of the private conversation. There's no need to bring it further I've recieved punishment. For clarification, being a moderator still means I'm a community member, and I've been trying awfully hard to get constructive criticism back on track with multiple ideas on megathreads to make things better (although I've been a little busy to update mine right now since uni).

Let's take a breather, we're all here for the same reason - we want Bannerlord to improve, let's attempt to do that without the bickering.

 

[Orion]

Shockingly misrepresentative of what actually happened. I recalled an incident, not a misunderstanding by the way, that is known to enough community members to call it public knowledge, mostly because Aeronwen and I were not directly spoken to by anyone and instead had to run after tons of people. I did, in no way, shape or form post parts of or complete private conversations, wack you claim I did.

Fietta's misunderstanding, not yours. It was established in no uncertain terms with him that he acted in a way not befitting his position. It's crazy, though, how I didn't say you posted logs, but I did say you referred to the contents of a private conversation in public in a way that makes it clear to everyone what the nature of that content is, and you did it unprovoked, in an unrelated thread, against another user (moderator or not), seemingly for personal reasons. Not the best look.

Fietta's arrogant and self-righteous way of lecturing others on unfounded claims and how to be reasonable, when these people actually got a perfectly viable standpoint in the discussion, is an absolute joke. I expected that he'd tone down that kind of behaviour a little at least after his punishment - punishment, if you can call it that. Appearently though this is the new style of debate that we want to see here on the forums, so I'll see myself out.

A little attitude is practically expected in the M&B MP community at this point. This is nothing new for anyone here, and Fietta is hardly alone in it.

as someone that has seen all of the logs from all sides, fietta took the first opportunity to blame scar, matt and others for trying to get unwarranted keys out of TW. he did so without looking into the facts at all, because it turned out he was completely wrong and that TW had promised those keys. i doubt scar will reply again because he probably doesn't want to get into this kind of drama, but the fact is that scar has done more for this community than almost anyone else in its history. for fietta to take the first opportunity to drag his name through the dirt for a bit of clout with Callum and TW is disgusting, and scar is perfectly justified in being angry about that. also, fietta chose to make those private conversations public when he created this entire situation.

See above. Also, don't try to guilt trip me for calling out Scar in this thread. I know he's done tons of great work, but that doesn't make him or anyone else untouchable. Fietta made no posts on this forum about the incident in question, so there was no intent by him to make it public. You & Scar have managed that in this thread, though, so congratulations. I guess it's fine when you throw someone under the bus for a situation you were never involved in?

So it's okay for you to breach privacy because reasons, I see now. I guess it was necessary, because sending a PM was just not enough, especially considering that it was you who encouraged me to report the toxic behaviour(which is totally acceptable as I now know) in previous PMs.

Your definition of toxic behavior seemed to be "these people disagree with me in more than one thread," which is absolutely acceptable. Not to be mean, but you get a lot of that so I can see how it would be stressful. Maybe you should take up a hobby other than casually trolling the forum?

As usual, you're welcome to bring it up with any other member of the staff if you still have concerns.

Nah thanks, the last time I tried I was dismissed with a message that "You should know what you did" and promptly ignored after I tried to specify what exactly was the problem.

Gee I wonder why?

 

[Scar]

I've only messaged Callum or other moderators of the situation, the logs were not public, very few people (only the ones involved) had any logs - if they became public, that wasn't my doing. If there's been an exchange of logs between others from what I've said to Callum then that's nothing to do with me. I sent the 'private message' for a moderation standpoint, to which escalated. I for one apologised for my wrong doing of the misrepresentation of the private conversation. There's no need to bring it further I've recieved punishment. For clarification, being a moderator still means I'm a community member, and I've been trying awfully hard to get constructive criticism back on track with multiple ideas on megathreads to make things better (although I've been a little busy to update mine right now since uni).

Let's take a breather, we're all here for the same reason - we want Bannerlord to improve, let's attempt to do that without the bickering.

You are a technical support, in what way does your job have to do with the destribution of sponsored prizes? Right, not at all. You got involved in it as a community member, through the channels you had open as a member of forum staff, even though you had nothing to do with it. Stop trying to portray it differently. Good you apologised to Orion though.

Fietta's misunderstanding, not yours. It was established in no uncertain terms with him that he acted in a way not befitting his position. It's crazy, though, how I didn't say you posted logs, but I did say you referred to the contents of a private conversation in public in a way that makes it clear to everyone what the nature of that content is, and you did it unprovoked, in an unrelated thread, against another user (moderator or not), seemingly for personal reasons. Not the best look.

Whether you like it or not, there is a seizable difference between screenshotting personal messages and referring to an incident that has spread to quite a few parts of the community. The context in which I brought it up is not unrelated either, lecturing people on unfounded claims and calling them unreasonable (when they actually have a valid argument) is out of order when you yourself caused a substiantial incident because of unfounded claims.

Whatever though, I'm not going to waste more time trying to correct yet another wrong picture of what was going on.

 

[Ikea Knight]

Anybody noticing an increased block delay? Similar to the b0.8.1 positional blocking system? I've heard anecdotal evidence from other people and I used to dismiss them, but with this lack of communication, I can't be sure.

Yeah blocks did feel different last time I played.
There were situations were I felt sure that I blocked correctly but was hit anyway.
Don't have any proof though.

 

[Orion]

Whatever though, I'm not going to waste more time trying to correct yet another wrong picture of what was going on.

 

[Tork789]

Your definition of toxic behavior seemed to be "these people disagree with me in more than one thread,"

Nah I ment something like this:

so much of the **** you say seems to come from a brain that lacks any form of coherent thought, so its hard to tell with you dude.

tork is and has always been a big joke to everyone but himself. You're a pathetic loser and you lack any form of skill or intelligence.

 

[Gibby Jr]

See above. Also, don't try to guilt trip me for calling out Scar in this thread. I know he's done tons of great work, but that doesn't make him or anyone else untouchable. Fietta made no posts on this forum about the incident in question, so there was no intent by him to make it public. You & Scar have managed that in this thread, though, so congratulations. I guess it's fine when you throw someone under the bus for a situation you were never involved in?

the part about scar and what he has done for the community was not intended as a response to your criticism, but was part of why i found fietta's purposeful misrepresentation and lying so disgusting:

but the fact is that scar has done more for this community than almost anyone else in its history. for fietta to take the first opportunity to drag his name through the dirt for a bit of clout with Callum and TW is disgusting, and scar is perfectly justified in being angry about that.

my point is that for all scar has done voluntarily and at great personal expense, fietta took private logs and interpreted them in a way to try and paint scar in the worst possible light, despite having no facts and not knowing the reality of the situation. you can say it was something as innocent as an accidental misinterpretation, but the facts of the situation are:

1) he saw logs and took them out of context
2) he inferred the details of a situation which he actually knew nothing about
3) he took those logs with his false interpretation to Callum and TW
4) he tried to argue that scar was trying to get undeserved keys out of TW
5) he gave this false information to Callum

so what does it look like? he wanted clout with Callum and TW, so he took the first opportunity to jump on something for that - even though in this case it meant dragging scar's name through the dirt and acting entirely at his expense on a false pretense. to do that to any community member would be disgusting, but to do it to one that has sacrificed an immense amount of time and effort over the years to this community is especially shameless.

hope that explains my line about scar in my other post : )

 

[OurGloriousLeader]

Fietta after he comes at Scar and misses:

 

[LES IS MOREx]

the part about scar and what he has done for the community was not intended as a response to your criticism, but was part of why i found fietta's purposeful misrepresentation and lying so disgusting:



my point is that for all scar has done voluntarily and at great personal expense, fietta took private logs and interpreted them in a way to try and paint scar in the worst possible light, despite having no facts and not knowing the reality of the situation. you can say it was something as innocent as an accidental misinterpretation, but the facts of the situation are:

1) he saw logs and took them out of context
2) he inferred the details of a situation which he actually knew nothing about
3) he took those logs with his false interpretation to Callum and TW
4) he tried to argue that scar was trying to get undeserved keys out of TW
5) he gave this false information to Callum

so what does it look like? he wanted clout with Callum and TW, so he took the first opportunity to jump on something for that - even though in this case it meant dragging scar's name through the dirt and acting entirely at his expense on a false pretense. to do that to any community member would be disgusting, but to do it to one that has sacrificed an immense amount of time and effort over the years to this community is especially shameless.

hope that explains my line about scar in my other post : )

This is so toxic

 

[RCC_God]

I mean balance patches are better than nothing I guess, even if I would’ve liked them to be public

 

[Younes]

This is so toxic

The whole thing is toxic.

 

[Brandis.]

Can you guys have this discussion elsewhere?

Undocumented changes are significant to the scope of MP and I'd rather not have this thread bogged down in drama.

 

[RCC_God]

Can you guys have this discussion elsewhere?

Undocumented changes are significant to the scope of MP and I'd rather not have this thread bogged down in drama.

There’s been so much Na drama might as well let the EU boys have a go at it

 

[? M]

Fietta did you really try snake scar for clout with failworlds? ? Whatever came over you is the real undocumented change...

Reckon most of this is just unintended side effects of tweaking tHe FoRmUlA for some other purpose, doubt they even knew the changes had happened. I'm sure when they actually start making multiplayer they'll let us know.