Unbalanced odds?

[DaLagga]

So I just attacked Belanz's party of 68 units with my group of 65, all hired blades.  I have a tactics skill of 4 and the battlesize set to the default max of 72.  Yet for some reason, the enemy was given 37 units in the first combat round and me only 12!  Now, I fully understand how the battle advantage worked in other versions, but isn't this a bit extreme?  Even if he had a tactics of 10 it wouldn't cause this kind of nonsense, would it?  The only tactic I've developed to overcome this is to have my army hold position while I ride out and kill their commander, retreat, and then charge back in.  Again, I understand how the tactics skill works, but even that can't cause this kind of a difference.  Anyone else finding this a bit odd?  Perhaps a bug or a "feature" that is in need of balancing?  Anyone else noticed this?

 

[DaLagga]

Ah, I wasn't aware this had been brought up before.  Good to know I'm not the only one finding it fishy.

 

[lumikant]

On a related note, does anyone else hate it when you have battle size set at 72, and you and your 30 allies attack a caravan of 34, then halfway through the battle seeing "Enemies have arrived."

 

[Aridus]

On a related note, does anyone else hate it when you have battle size set at 72, and you and your 30 allies attack a caravan of 34, then halfway through the battle seeing "Enemies have arrived."

Yeah, it's really funny when the enemy reinforcement is literally one guy, you've already killed everyone else and have to find this one idiot, and when you do he still charges at you as if he were the fury of heavens or something.

 

[Maan]

Yeah, it's really funny when the enemy reinforcement is literally one guy, you've already killed everyone else and have to find this one idiot, and when you do he still charges at you as if he were the fury of heavens or something.

"Hello? I've a pizza for 'Caravan Master'... ehr, 'morning gentlemen..."
*WHACK!*

...always happened, though. On previous version you could find 3 poor morons in the last "wave", charging on foot against 30 knights

 

[Llew]

i think tactics should be taken out completely; i never upgrade it ... who wants too outnumber the bad guys??

 

[Destichado]

well, when I'm taking down a combined force of two hundred with my party of 40?  ME. 

That's right, I would much rather take down forces piecemeal by hitting small groups one at a time with minimal personal losses than charge headlong into the destruction of my party and the crippling of my horse.  Sue me.

 

[Aridus]

well, when I'm taking down a combined force of two hundred with my party of 40?  ME. 

That's right, I would much rather take down forces piecemeal by hitting small groups one at a time with minimal personal losses than charge headlong into the destruction of my party and the crippling of my horse.  Sue me.

Heh, yeah. I've had similar situations where I might have won such battles if I actually had all my men on the field instead of just a handful of them... based on the theory that they all can't attack at once but I can try to outlast them, but it still suck when the men they actually have on the field still far outnumbers what you have on the field at a given time.

 

[calandale]

No worries, it's never had its own thread, and that it deserves. It's annoying, though, but at least it's realistic that the enemy commander can't do ****e with an awlpike stuck up his arse.

Wondering if you knock out the
enemy leader, if his tactics stop
applying - just like your own hero's
do.

 

[Destichado]

Wondering if you knock out the
enemy leader, if his tactics stop
applying - just like your own hero's
do.

I THINK so.  I make it a point to lance the hero in the first charge, so that hopefully in the next phase of the battle the troops won't swarm us.  Don't know how you could find out for certain.

 

[Zathan]

i think tactics should be taken out completely; i never upgrade it ... who wants too outnumber the bad guys??

I'm under the impression that the tactics skill also determines how well you command your troops as well?

Zathan

 

[Toxicity]

i think tactics should be taken out completely; i never upgrade it ... who wants too outnumber the bad guys??

I'm under the impression that the tactics skill also determines how well you command your troops as well?

Zathan

How well you command the troops? I don't think it does anything except altering the odds. Would be nice if commands were tied to the tactic skill, it would make it a little more valuable.

 

[Dain Ironfoot]

I wouldn't like that... would take it too far into the realm of RPG for me. I don't want to be restricted just because such and such stat isn't high enough.

 

[fisheye]

It's almost certainly a bug. I've looked at the module system for battle advantage calculation and it's supposed to be exactly symmetric for player and NPC. So if you have similar tactics and party size then you should spawn the same number of dudes.

 

[Rameusb5]

Could someone re-iterate exactly what the tactics skill does?  I know it affects how many people you get vs the enemy, but what's the forumula?

Honestly I don't mind that you get outnumbered if you don't have the skill.  If you don't bother to put points in it, there should be concequences.

 

[Tarrantmw]

Could someone re-iterate exactly what the tactics skill does?  I know it affects how many people you get vs the enemy, but what's the forumula?

Honestly I don't mind that you get outnumbered if you don't have the skill.  If you don't bother to put points in it, there should be concequences.

It basically says everything it needs to when you look at it.

For every one point of tactics, you get an extra soldier on the field, if I remember correctly.

 

[Rameusb5]

Could someone re-iterate exactly what the tactics skill does?  I know it affects how many people you get vs the enemy, but what's the forumula?

Honestly I don't mind that you get outnumbered if you don't have the skill.  If you don't bother to put points in it, there should be concequences.

It basically says everything it needs to when you look at it.

For every one point of tactics, you get an extra soldier on the field, if I remember correctly.

Thanks

 

[Dryvus]

But is this actually right? If the enemy leader has 10 tactics, then you would think the most he could outnumber you by would be 10 soldiers. Even before 0.890 I don't think it worked like that. The 'starting battle advantage' must mean some other method of determining troops on the field. I always wondered if it improved your chances of starting on a hill, or with a clear view of the enemy. It'd be nice if armagan would give a definition.

 

[Astarsis]

So I just attacked Belanz's party of 68 units with my group of 65, all hired blades.  I have a tactics skill of 4 and the battlesize set to the default max of 72.  Yet for some reason, the enemy was given 37 units in the first combat round and me only 12!  Now, I fully understand how the battle advantage worked in other versions, but isn't this a bit extreme?  Even if he had a tactics of 10 it wouldn't cause this kind of nonsense, would it?  The only tactic I've developed to overcome this is to have my army hold position while I ride out and kill their commander, retreat, and then charge back in.  Again, I understand how the tactics skill works, but even that can't cause this kind of a difference.  Anyone else finding this a bit odd?  Perhaps a bug or a "feature" that is in need of balancing?  Anyone else noticed this?

Yes, tactics can be that bad ass if you got low tactics and he got 10

It represent his ability to pick appart your troop in small groups.

think guerilleras

But are you sure no enemy army joined ? Sometime you don't see them if they're on top of a nearby castle, but you should still get the message

Remember also that your knight would count as an awfull lot of recruits. so that's factored in the equation as well

I played 100s of battle, and I haven't noticed anything like you describe. I suspect strongly another group joined in. maybe many groups.

If enemy armies are nearby, they join. (your allies too)

 

[Dryvus]

No, it always says when enemies or allies join you. What's your source for the knight equating several peasants in tactical consideration?