[UNAC] United North American Championship

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Juvenile 说:
John7 说:
I agree after last night on reveran we won the first set 4-3 (intense) and the second set swap 4-0

Now in rounds that's 8-3 a pretty big victory, but in sets it counts as a tie 1-1 to me that does not seem very accurate
I might misunderstand, but wouldn't 4-3, 4-0 be a 2-0 victory, not a 1-1 tie? Unless you meant 4-3, 0-4 with 4-7 in rounds and a 1-1 set tie.

Yea tired math op

Eternal 说:
The tie issue was brought up multiple times, and the second UNAC meeting (which I was unable to attend) decided to keep sets.

You will see a lot more ties than with either rounds or maps. Thankfully, since ties are kept ties in the round robin, that's fine, but hopefully it won't be an issue in the single elimination.

I'm almost 100% certain it will be an issue in the single elim and then we'll have to either score by rounds (which is what I think we agreed to do) or go for a third map which could also tie easily
 
Z3ro 说:
Green Knight 说:
Guys,

Counting sets with this 2 map format is going to yield a large amount of ties. I really think we need to look at counting rounds instead.
That can occur even with Rounds take the quarterfinals match for 5 a side for example.

Yes, and when is the last time you've heard of that happening in NA? That was an extremely rare circumstance where the round system failed to determine a victor (Because both teams were extremely even) This kind of thing could become the norm in the finals bracket when using sets, however.
 
@ kherv with first to 4 you guys could've came back after that first round loss and went onto a 5th map with sets  :razz:
 
John7 说:
@ kherv with first to 4 you guys could've came back after that first round loss and went onto a 5th map with sets  :razz:

@ john first to 4 would've given different results in the first place. And first to 4 is almost always longer than 4 total rounds, so...
 
Are these rules set in stone? I thought there were things that were still being discussed.

Counting rounds is statistically much less likely to yield ties than counting sets. The odd tie in the round robin will happen if we count rounds, but there will be a lot more if we count sets when there are only a total of 4 set points to distribute. Two teams that are relatively even will often go 1-1 on a map, especially on those with a slightly unbalanced spawn or faction setup.

There really isn't any advantage to counting sets over rounds that I can see. Originally the debate was maps vs rounds, but if we only allow 2 maps to be played, it doesn't make sense to count maps. The same logic applies here.

I know we decided that ties would be acceptable in the round robin, but think about it from the tourney enjoyment standpoint. Players and teams enjoy resolution and being able to say they "won" definitively. If we count sets in a 2-map format, peeps are going to be reporting matches as ties and then justifying it as an unofficial "win" because they scored way more rounds than the other team.

I was originally in favor of counting maps, but that was when there was the possibility of a 3rd map tiebreaker. I do think that 2 maps is fine, and I'm really liking the first to 4 with 4-minute rounds so far. Counting rounds is just much more suitable for this format.



 
Green Knight 说:
Are these rules set in stone? I thought there were things that were still being discussed.

Counting rounds is statistically much less likely to yield ties than counting sets. The odd tie in the round robin will happen if we count rounds, but there will be a lot more if we count sets when there are only a total of 4 set points to distribute. Two teams that are relatively even will often go 1-1 on a map, especially on those with a slightly unbalanced spawn or faction setup.

There really isn't any advantage to counting sets over rounds that I can see. Originally the debate was maps vs rounds, but if we only allow 2 maps to be played, it doesn't make sense to count maps. The same logic applies here.

I know we decided that ties would be acceptable in the round robin, but think about it from the tourney enjoyment standpoint. Players and teams enjoy resolution and being able to say they "won" definitively. If we count sets in a 2-map format, peeps are going to be reporting matches as ties and then justifying it as an unofficial "win" because they scored way more rounds than the other team.

I was originally in favor of counting maps, but that was when there was the possibility of a 3rd map tiebreaker. I do think that 2 maps is fine, and I'm really liking the first to 4 with 4-minute rounds so far. Counting rounds is just much more suitable for this format.

+1

This is how it should be, but some in the community want to cry about how their confidence is hurt because they dropped 6 of the first 8 rounds and don't want to work so hard to make a comeback.
 
I agree with Green Knight. As far as I know, the rules won't be set in stone until the end of team registration.
 
FYI Calamity, Rebels and afterwards I think you forgot to include the hyperlinks on the team page, here's the fixed versions (SF excluded cause they didn't put any)


插入代码块:
[b]Team Name:[/b] Rebels
[b]Clan(s) and/or Organization(s) Representing:[/b] Rebels
[b]Captain (with link to TW profile):[/b] [url=http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?action=profile;u=283439]Courtney[/url]
[b]Co-Captain (with link to TW profile):[/b] [url=http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?action=profile;u=137497]Nevino[/url]
[b]Members (including Captain and Co-Captain):[/b]
1. Courtney
2. Nevino
3. Crusader
4. Templar
5. Xls
6. Athesus
7. Psyko
8. Cdjrcxx
9. Ravenstein
10. Snoop
11. Dag
12. DYLM
13. Latinok

插入代码块:
Clan(s) and/or Organization(s) Representing: TMW
Captain (with link to TW profile): [url=http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?action=profile;u=49497]Clockwise[/url]
Co-Captain (with link to TW profile): [url=http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?action=profile;u=90302]Unicorn[/url]
Members (including Captain and Co-Captain):
01) Clockwise
02) Unicorn
03) Rurin
04) Beo
05) Maynd
06) Blacktide
07) Sotamursu 
08) Mike
09) Volpel
10) Binary
11) MrX
12) Nomnom 
13) Kherven

插入代码块:
Team Name: [b]Watchmen of the Morning Twilight (WMT)[/b]
Clan(s) and/or Organization(s) Representing: TMW
Captain (with link to TW profile): [url=http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?action=profile;u=110235]Eternal[/url]
Co-Captain (with link to TW profile): [url=http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?action=profile;u=105610]sammac[/url]
Members (including Captain and Co-Captain):
1. Eternal
2. Sammac
3. Halfdan
4. Antonidas
5. Fiery
6. Warpath
7. Bill
8. Cynthia
9. Buzzlightyear
10. Oodle
11. Devald
12. Scurrilous
13. Quantum
14. Alden

 
Kherven 说:
FYI Calamity, Rebels and afterwards I think you forgot to include the hyperlinks on the team page, here's the fixed versions (SF excluded cause they didn't put any)


插入代码块:
[b]Team Name:[/b] Rebels
[b]Clan(s) and/or Organization(s) Representing:[/b] Rebels
[b]Captain (with link to TW profile):[/b] [url=http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?action=profile;u=283439]Courtney[/url]
[b]Co-Captain (with link to TW profile):[/b] [url=http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?action=profile;u=137497]Nevino[/url]
[b]Members (including Captain and Co-Captain):[/b]
1. Courtney
2. Nevino
3. Crusader
4. Templar
5. Xls
6. Athesus
7. Psyko
8. Cdjrcxx
9. Ravenstein
10. Snoop
11. Dag
12. DYLM
13. Latinok

插入代码块:
Clan(s) and/or Organization(s) Representing: TMW
Captain (with link to TW profile): [url=http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?action=profile;u=49497]Clockwise[/url]
Co-Captain (with link to TW profile): [url=http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?action=profile;u=90302]Unicorn[/url]
Members (including Captain and Co-Captain):
01) Clockwise
02) Unicorn
03) Rurin
04) Beo
05) Maynd
06) Blacktide
07) Sotamursu 
08) Mike
09) Volpel
10) Binary
11) MrX
12) Nomnom 
13) Kherven

插入代码块:
Team Name: [b]Watchmen of the Morning Twilight (WMT)[/b]
Clan(s) and/or Organization(s) Representing: TMW
Captain (with link to TW profile): [url=http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?action=profile;u=110235]Eternal[/url]
Co-Captain (with link to TW profile): [url=http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?action=profile;u=105610]sammac[/url]
Members (including Captain and Co-Captain):
1. Eternal
2. Sammac
3. Halfdan
4. Antonidas
5. Fiery
6. Warpath
7. Bill
8. Cynthia
9. Buzzlightyear
10. Oodle
11. Devald
12. Scurrilous
13. Quantum
14. Alden

Was being lazy at this point. Thanks for reminding me.

And.. done.
 
Gotta go on GK siege and make some announcements about this tourney...get some new teams put together.

Also, was there ever any feedback from Lust regarding pushing out a TW bulletin or news update or something?
 
WilySly 说:
Gotta go on GK siege and make some announcements about this tourney...get some new teams put together.

You can post it on GK's  forums here http://www.leagueofrevolution.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=14
 
Snoop 说:
WilySly 说:
Gotta go on GK siege and make some announcements about this tourney...get some new teams put together.

You can post it on GK's  forums here http://www.leagueofrevolution.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=14

....Am I the only one that  had that link re-directed to porn the first time and GK afterwards?
 
Snoop 说:
WilySly 说:
Gotta go on GK siege and make some announcements about this tourney...get some new teams put together.

You can post it on GK's  forums here http://www.leagueofrevolution.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=14

Snoop -_-
 
MrNevino1 说:
Snoop 说:
WilySly 说:
Gotta go on GK siege and make some announcements about this tourney...get some new teams put together.

You can post it on GK's  forums here http://www.leagueofrevolution.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=14

Snoop -_-

I don't think its snoop's fault. Just seems like a hijack redirect on GK's end. The link is legit, its just the connection is getting intercepted and re-directed on first connect oddly.
 
Snop, pls.

Definitely Snop's fault. Don't cover for him, Kherven. It's all part of his malicious master plan.
 
This was not my doing. I might make some outlandish post at times, but I would never post a porn link.

GK go peddle your filth elsewhere. :razz:

Yeah, I'm not sure what happened here.

 
Orion 说:
Next you'll say you were just drunk and didn't mean to post it. :razz:
Well, that is my normal excuse, but this time I'm innocent.

I feel a witch trial coming on.  :shock:
 
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