[UNAC S2] Suggestions, Improvements and Announcements

[Kherven]

lose by a round

Any team that fails to prove themselves in promotions will not be promoted. I know this isn't what you're asking, but in competition there is no "you tried" ribbon that gets you into the big leagues. You gotta win when you need to.

 

[sotamursu123]

Also one thing could be that before the tournament, give completely new teams a chance to pick one team from division A. If they beat them, they swap divisions. Would kind of mean postponing the tournament by a week and having the transition thing for new teams right before the tournament, instead of before a tournament. In this case would mean only HB has this chance i think, though.

Also,

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moar matcz = moar strimz = moar eman = lust will have moar early morninks = lel

 

[Kherven]

No:

VOTE 1: "Should new clans have the opportunity to prove themselves of the top bracket via a form of qualification" ?
Y:2
N:9
A:1

Make sure to check Meeting 2 votes before suggesting changes, they may have already been voted on (such as this)

 

[Orion]

And what's so terrible about the idea of qualifying matches for new teams that the very prospect was voted against so decisively?

 

[Hero_of_Hiroshima]

 

[Marin Peace Bringer]

I think it might be a good time to post a download to the audio from the meeting Kherven, seeing as so many people who weren't there keep asking about these issues.  At least that way they would be able to listen to the discussion and see why votes went a certain way.

 

[Kherven]

Vote 1 discussion:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/62985668/UNAC%20Meeting%202/UNACVote1.mp3

it might have been mentioned again afterwards, but thats the bulk of it.

 

[Lagstro]

What does UNAC define a "new team" as anyway?

I will use 4 different scenarios (using wK mainly as an example) and tell me whether it would be considered a new team or not.

Scenario 1

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Wily decides to kick every member from the team except Calamity and Gelden, and fills in the rest of the roster with other members in the community... Is that team going to be considered wK for UNAC Season 2... or will they be considered a new team.. and have to start from the bottom?

Scenario 2

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wK decides to make two teams... however... wK doesn't have enough members to split into two, so they send 6 members to 1 team, 6 to the other... and both fill in their rosters with other members in the community for a total of 12 members per roster (meaning wK only makes up exactly half of each roster).  Are both teams to be considered wK and take two spots in div A? Are they both to be considered new teams and have to start from the bottom?

Scenario 3

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Just for fun, wK and BkS decide to break their teams in half, and mix them up, making two teams with half wK and half BkS... would these teams be considered new teams as well? or would they be able to keep two spots in Div A because the members in the teams were from teams already in Div A anyway?

Scenario 4

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Half of wK spontaneously leave for personal reasons, and wK are forced to recruit to make a decent sized roster. Is this team to be considered a new team? Or will it be allowed have it's spot in Div A even though it most likely won't preform as well as it did?

I think these questions will bring out many problems with the division system we are trying to use. What is it that actually makes a team be a team? It's members? It's leader? It's name? What?

What qualifications does a 'team' need to meet to be in Division A?

 

[Mok the International]

shutup lag.













jk good points

 

[Aura (Zaffa)]

@Lagstro

Current rules are pretty much that if you share the same name, you are the same team (seed follows the tag). Should wK kick out 80% of its roster, and recruit a bunch of new players to make up the difference, the team that carries the wK tag would still be the #1 seeded clan.

Likewise, if wK divide their clan in half, the team known as "wK" will be the #1 seed, and the other will be forced into the bottom bracket.

Personally, I think the distinction is ridiculous and points out the idiocy behind no seeding for new teams. As much as I tried to bring up examples like what you just stated, everyone wanted to pretend that hb was the only conceivable new team. 

What the community has essentially done is create exceptions where they want them, and proclaim "one rule for all" where they don't. GA and GKR, are for all extensive purposes, an infinite number of teams. GA's roster this season, if rumor is to be believed, will be strictly AE. This is very different than their roster last time, and is for all extensive purposes a different team. Likewise, GKR has so many people on their roster that every match might as well be a different team. Hell, they had so many people on their roster that not even they could keep track of who was on it (constantly played people not on roster, including in their match vs BkS).

While I think a seeding exception should be available for GA/AE, the community needs to be honest with themselves and recognize them as a separate team. Likewise, if wK were to ever split their team in half (as they have done in the past), a seeding exception should be available for the segmented team. There is just no reason that a team composed of S1 players should be forced into the bottom bracket.

Unfortunately, as I have said before, people voted with their emotions rather than logic. They saw the matter as just the "hb issue" as opposed to a wider problem. As such, teams are disincentived from dividing and creating new teams as this will condemn one of the teams to the bottom bracket.

 

[Hero_of_Hiroshima]

Unfortunately, as I have said before, people voted with their emotions rather than logic.

Exactly.  And, if the team from season one (GA), comes to this tournament, and uses even two players that were not on the former roster, it is in effect a different team. The Euro team question will really throw a monkey wrench to this concept if such a thing happens, and as it appears if they do enter, its unlikely that the roster will be completely the same. Not to mention all of the other stuff Zaffa said such as GKR's roster, so on, so on. Team rosters have changed since season one, and even if  not considerably, if the same members are not on the team as season one, which was the precedent for seeding in the first place, it doesn't really work out.

 

[sotamursu123]

most of non-AE GA members joined AE after UNAC though. cuz AE runnink out of playurz cuz inactive players. So u can expect pretty much the same guys except this time they have been playing together. Bloody Death, Wierdo, Anders, Chicken are all AE now.

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Peter, Nubijuki, Kellerman, Anaconda, Anthony aren't AE though

 

[Shemaforash]

most of non-AE GA members joined AE after UNAC though. cuz AE runnink out of playurz cuz inactive players. So u can expect pretty much the same guys except this time they have been playing together. Bloody Death, Wierdo, Anders, Chicken are all AE now.

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Peter, Nubijuki, Kellerman, Anaconda, Anthony aren't AE though

Chicken isn't AE afaik

 

[ryozu]

AE_Bambino isn't Chicken?

 

[22nd_Can]

Some key players for GA that were there for almost every match aren't joining this tourney such as Blivandefar, M,Mitchell, Shema and many more. But maybe if the rules on this were a bit more clear on this subject, there wouldn't be any confusions.

Something to think about.

 

[Shemaforash]

Some key players for GA that were there for almost every match aren't joining this tourney such as Blivandefar, M,Mitchell, Shema and many more. But maybe if the rules on this were a bit more clear on this subject, there wouldn't be any confusions.

How do you even know that 

 

[22nd_Can]

Some key players for GA that were there for almost every match aren't joining this tourney such as Blivandefar, M,Mitchell, Shema and many more. But maybe if the rules on this were a bit more clear on this subject, there wouldn't be any confusions.

How do you even know that 

Haha talked to a few people feel free to correct me but Bliv and Mitchell I know 100 percent and I heard it was the same with you

the main point is though that the roster is significantly different. But no one get me wrong I'm not suggesting anything, I just want clarification on the rules.

 

[captain folms]

And, if the team from season one (GA), comes to this tournament, and uses even two players that were not on the former roster, it is in effect a different team.

Yeah but you don't know that, do you? You don't even know if GA are going to sign up for this tournament. You are making this assumption out of nowhere, but your brain. As far as I am concerned, the European version of GA (AE) had a similar situation back in 2012 during ENL. Apis Europae just formed as a new clan consisting of the majority of the IG, along side Wolfpack, members. However, they still played in the lowest division due to the rules of the tournament. Nobody complained. I just don't understand how can you be arrogant enough to state that you're good enough for the first bracket without proving it?

Although, if GA are going to enter with a different team their position should be reviewed.

I'm European though, so whatever

 

[Hero_of_Hiroshima]

I never said it wasn't an assumption. You don't understand the situation. Don't call me arrogant.

 

[Volpel]

You don't understand the situation.

He does.

Give this man a medal.