Sir Saladin
Count
AWdeV 说:
Nah, if I can't be a priest I'll be a prophet/loan shark.
UN Peacebuilding: Can it work?
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Nah, if I can't be a priest I'll be a prophet/loan shark.
Starforge
Veteran
Nope.
It's time to drop those unrealistic Humanist ideas and go back and re-read the last 5000 years of Human history to realise that peace is NOT the natural state of affairs and never will be. Human beings are essentially selfish at heart (I'll point to the vastness of human history as opposed to the exceptions someone will likely want to tout.) Heck, most religions were smarter than the average Humanist in that they convinced their adherents that they would be paid (after death) for their unselfish good deeds done now.
The only result that will happen here, regardless of who wins or loses or gets involved, is that many Libyans are going to die. We might want to pat ourselves on the back that we killed the 'right' Libyans but that's all just a bit relative, isn't it?
It's time to drop those unrealistic Humanist ideas and go back and re-read the last 5000 years of Human history to realise that peace is NOT the natural state of affairs and never will be. Human beings are essentially selfish at heart (I'll point to the vastness of human history as opposed to the exceptions someone will likely want to tout.) Heck, most religions were smarter than the average Humanist in that they convinced their adherents that they would be paid (after death) for their unselfish good deeds done now.
The only result that will happen here, regardless of who wins or loses or gets involved, is that many Libyans are going to die. We might want to pat ourselves on the back that we killed the 'right' Libyans but that's all just a bit relative, isn't it?
Elenmmare
You seem like a happy sort.
Majhudeen
Humanists are diffrent then Humanitarians. Humanists mean that they support exploiting the full potential of the human beings and reaching their height of excellence, not neccessarily like a Humanitarian, which beleives in supporting the comforts and overall well being of a human being and general morals.
If anything, I'd go as far to say this. Humans are an aggressive creature. We are ment to fight, **** and die. But how much and where, when and who we do it to is up to us. Judgement is one thing we do possess.
If anything, I'd go as far to say this. Humans are an aggressive creature. We are ment to fight, **** and die. But how much and where, when and who we do it to is up to us. Judgement is one thing we do possess.
Of course. Ya know what for reality, though?
Taking existing perceptions of stuff and ****ing them up their arse till they puke ***.
Sure, the few millenia of development hardwired us to exterminate anything looking like a threat and I guess the fact that most humans who get into a position of power are at least slightly ****ed up but that doesn't mean we can't play nice.
We're just too scared to try.
Taking existing perceptions of stuff and ****ing them up their arse till they puke ***.
Sure, the few millenia of development hardwired us to exterminate anything looking like a threat and I guess the fact that most humans who get into a position of power are at least slightly ****ed up but that doesn't mean we can't play nice.
We're just too scared to try.
Well to state the obvious: taking sides in the conflict doesn't seem like peacekeeping. more like a declaration of war. In the case of Libya I'm not even going to pretend we didn't go in for oil.
He did threaten to nationalize the oil apparently:
http://uicifd.blogspot.com/2009/01/libyan-leader-gaddafi-threatens-to.html
He did threaten to nationalize the oil apparently:
http://uicifd.blogspot.com/2009/01/libyan-leader-gaddafi-threatens-to.html
Starforge
Veteran
Hyperion 说:
It's a competition whether it be for resources or that better looking woman/man. If you believe in evolution, this is how it works and not just for animals without opposable thumbs. Our first priority is to our family and our offspring and if 'playing nice' means having less for your own family so that others can have more for their own then we won't willingly without being convinced that there will be some benefit beyond altruism down the road. There are, of course, exceptions as behavior is not absolute, but as a general rule you can always bet on blood being thicker than water. Wanting to believe that it is or can be otherwise is no less delusional than believing in an invisible being directing our actions.
To get back on topic - the fact that we're bombing Libya has everything to do with oil which makes the entire operation selfish. The covering of humanitarianism merely is there to make the masses feel better about dropping bombs on people. Why not every other place where genocide happens? Sure, the talking heads will claim logistics, cost, awareness, or whatever, but in reality we're only going to care when it matters to our own countries at the pump or in some other tangible, self-serving way. To me - nothing wrong with that but believing it's something else is kinda silly. It's certainly not 'peacebuilding.'
Amagic
Baron
Oil again. I just wish we ran out of that **** already. People shouldn't die for some black river of **** somewhere below ground. I mean, people have been fighting wars for religion, survival, wealth and the simple human desire for power. But for oil?? To make tin toys run around?? Really, **** you world.
Actually, it's still used because guys that own the refineries and the wells like practically running the world.
Starforge
Veteran
Find a cheaper alternative (and no - not the conspiracy all water engines or some such.) Until you can deliver reliable energy that will cost individuals less to maintain and use you can cry green until the cows come home. Look into how much it would cost to, say, wire your house with solar panels (including replacement costs and maintenance) over 10 years. Now tell me that's cheaper than paying the local power company. Right. Automobiles are no less of a problem in how much more they cost and how often you'll be replacing batteries at significant expense.
Even the greenies have figured out the math which is why the argument usually devolves into 'saving the planet' or some such since you can't make a rational economic argument that will hold water. Until you can, people will continue to buy the cheapest for themselves since 'saving the planet' is just a bit too abstract when compared to 'having extra money to feed my family.'
Even the greenies have figured out the math which is why the argument usually devolves into 'saving the planet' or some such since you can't make a rational economic argument that will hold water. Until you can, people will continue to buy the cheapest for themselves since 'saving the planet' is just a bit too abstract when compared to 'having extra money to feed my family.'
FrisianDude
Archduke
Not if we do it right in the first place.
