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Some more whataboutism from der Spiegel.
Rusich fought in Ukraine back in 2014, now they're back. They were invited back then by DNR's first "people's governor" Gubarev, who was himself a neo-nazi. I was not aware of the Imperial Legion's possible involvement until now.
 
Looks like we are about to witness the second Mariupol. Severodonetsk-Lisichansk agglomeration in all likelihood will be encircled in the coming days. Luckily the majority of civilians were already evacuated so it won’t be as devastating and heartbreaking.
 
We might see another Kiyv (same place as before) afterwards:
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/05/27/we-ll-grind-them-down-in-the-end

According to CIT the Russian regiments were ordered to prepare their 60-70 lower readiness battalions which might be finished in mid-June.
https://te.legra.ph/Svodka-za-26-maya-05-27

Meanwhile there are more and more videos of Ukrainian units complaining about their poor equipment and training:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/26/ukraine-frontline-russia-military-severodonetsk/

There even was a request by three members of Zelenskiy`s party to remove the part that explicitly forbade to shoot deserters and soldiers who refused orders:
https://www.unian.net/politics/skan...rtirov-otozvali-novosti-ukraina-11840007.html

All in all not looking that good right now.
 
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We might see another Kiyv (same place as before) afterwards:
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/05/27/we-ll-grind-them-down-in-the-end
Kyiv's defense was significantly bolstered since the war started. And Russia's potential vaned.
They had a very good chance in the first weeks. Like it was really close. Now that ship has sailed.
According to CIT the Russian regiments were ordered to prepare their 60-70 lower readiness battalions which might be finished in mid-June.
https://te.legra.ph/Svodka-za-26-maya-05-27
This does not matter very much. We are also mobilizing. But at this point, the war will not be won with numbers but with high-tech equipment, armoured vehicles and, above all, artillery.

Meanwhile there are more and more videos of Ukrainian units complaining about their poor equipment and training:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/26/ukraine-frontline-russia-military-severodonetsk/
Both sides have reached the equipment deficit. Ukraine at a much more severe level. That's why we beg the west for heavy weaponry relentlessly. The regular army at least is kinda set, but many volunteer battallions can only be armed as light infantry without sufficient training. They still fought very efficiently under Kyiv, Chernihiv and Sumy. But they're still civilians tossed right into the fray with assault rifles. I get those guys.

What's interesting about this article is the name of Yevhen Semekhin mentioned as a contributor. He is a politician and media personality from Donetsk. In heavy opposition to each of our pro-western regimes.

Back when the war just broke out all political forces in the country rallied behind Zelensky.
Now that the initial fear and panic subsided I see a lot of publications and public speeches that criticize him, his office and the military command. I guess it's a natural development.
There even was a request by three members of Zelenskiy`s party to remove the part that explicitly forbade to shoot deserters and soldiers who refused orders:
https://www.unian.net/politics/skan...rtirov-otozvali-novosti-ukraina-11840007.html
A handful of morons thought that our army is at a disadvantage since Russians never even had this clause where officers weren't allowed to shoot soldiers on the spot for disobedience. The bill was immediately terminated because we're fighting this war exactly because we don't want to be Russians.
All in all not looking that good right now.
Why do you think so? Actually, the situation seems way better than I expected since they launched the big push in the east and south. I can't stop being amazed by how unrelenting our guys and girls at the front are.
 
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So I finally got around to coming back here and telling all of you who told me I was a warmonger back in 2014 "I told you so!" . . . or at least that is how I remember it. Just managed to dredge up my old account credentials and have not yet reviewed the 434 pages of the thread.

But I'm pretty sure I predicted that: in view of the Obama regimes lack of real push back on Putin's initial invasion in 2014, this would eventually happen. I think I even said "8 to 12 years hence" . . . I wish my powers as Anthrostrodamus were not such a curse . . .

OMG that is pure black comic gold! :mrgreen:

I've got to start hanging around this place more often. You guys are a hoot.



I'm not sure what "made" Mage a dumbass. He just seems to be that way :razz:

ADDIT^2: all caught up now on the thread. Very sorry to hear that things have gone from bad to worse in Ukraine. As I said at the beginning, there was only one way to act to "prevent" this and that ran the risk of global thermonuclear war. Part of me, the nihilistic misanthrope, feels great anger at the West for the long era of growing complacency and delusion about global threats from authoritarian or otherwise 'evil' social forces. But on the other hand, and in this particular instance especially, the more rational and caring part of me accepts that "appeasing" Putin by turning a blind eye to his rape of Ukraine is the "safer" path.

We still have a few more months before our "check with me in a year and lets see if your vaunted sanctions have achieved anything like you expected," Mage, but just a reminder: I haven't forgotten. Nor have I forgotten that you have yet to apologize for accusing me of being a Nazi . . . and then turn right around and suggest I'm saying I am a Russian Nationalist :razz:

Like I said, I don't know what "made" you a dumbass, you just seem to be that way. Maybe you'll grow out of it.
This doesn't seem to be the beginning of my "I told you so" contributions to this thread, but it harkens to that beginning . . .

So anyway, to any of you who said that it was "too dangerous" for the U.S. to actively support Ukraine back in 2014: You were wrong and now innocent people are suffering. I blame Obama most of all. WORST President in U.S. history; had so much potential too.
 
Dude. Have you been living under a rock for the last 6 years?
You're right. Biden is worse in an absolute sense. But the thing is: Obama is a very intelligent man, with an identity to really transform the society. And instead he used that to entrench the problems because it was deemed to be a strategically valuable means to divide and conquer.

Looks like we are about to witness the second Mariupol. Severodonetsk-Lisichansk agglomeration in all likelihood will be encircled in the coming days. Luckily the majority of civilians were already evacuated so it won’t be as devastating and heartbreaking.
My sense is that, at this point, Russia is really scrapping the bottom of the barrel. Add to this that their casualties have been very high, and the bases for them to have good morale have never been promising--worsened by terrible leadership and support. My impression is that the Russians presently enjoy an advantage in total numbers of short to medium-range artillery and to some extent "airpower" (must be qualified as 'some extent' because UA has enough potential to threaten air operations to make use of air power risky). Any advantage in armored vehicles and tanks they enjoyed at the outset has largely been squandered, though on paper they may still have more. In any event a BTG with "too many vehicles" and no infantry to dismount when the fight starts is fundamentally one of their organizational problems throughout the last four months, so having more military fighting vehicles is not really an advantage of note.

Basically the Russians have more artillery, an advantage which UA leadership have nullified in the defense of Sieverodonetsk by forcing Russian forces to engage in urban combat where their artillery is not of much use.

If the West does not abandon Ukraine, and actually provides enough of the hardware the government says it needs, then it seems it may be possible for Ukraine to actually win.

I don't remember kurczak having a romance with Putin or Orban. And really you shouldn't lump them together. And why is Trump and nazism in that association chain again.
That's like what Russian establishment does by lumping together "the collective West", liberalism, homosexuality and nazism in a single complex meme.
This makes me think that maybe I should myself stop saying that Putin is literally Hitler because it leads nowhere. Or maybe it takes the conversation to a battle of memes blurring the reality. Every beast is his own kind of beast and differences, in the end, are more telling than similarities.

I don't think we will ever get back to our conversations about feminism. Time passes, people change. I've reconciled many issues I had with this culture and married a feminist. You probably also became less borderline in your views with age. So who knows where we will now find ourselves on that front.

Thanks for the kind words and well wishes, they mean a lot to me.
Ahh! I see Jhessail still has a penchant for wild conspiratorial nonsensical hostility! :xf-grin:

Direct question to you Weaver: you are Ukrainian correct?

Did Obama EVER provide real military assistance to Ukraine? It was under the final two years of Obama's second term that the initial Russian breach of Ukraine occurred, and at that time, presumably the U.S. government was still planning on upholding its commitment to the promises given as part of the Budapest Memorandum in 1993(?). Effectively, the U.S. the UK, Russia and perhaps France all promised to insure Ukrainian sovereignty in exchange for handing over all the Soviet nukes with which Ukraine found itself in possession in 1991 when the USSR collapsed, right? This apparently seemed like a good idea at the time for Mr. Kravchuk, the first President of Ukraine, and to be fair it probably was the best approach because nukes are honestly not that useful . . . but I digress. It was Clinton who negotiated that deal a fellow Democrat and if memory serves it managed to get halfway through the U.S. congress as a formalized treaty but Republican opposition in the Senate killed that. So by the time the Ukrainians had already agreed to it, and probably the process of disarming them was underway, the U.S. partisan politics had insured that instead of a treaty it would just be a "promise."

You would think that this would be regarded as an important promise by Obama, a member of the same political party as Clinton, but apparently it was not. Obama was the first U.S. President to effectively turn a blind eye to Russian breaching of Ukrainian sovereignty and breaching of the standing promise from the 1990s. Two more Presidents more-or-less continued that tradition by failing to take a clearly strong stance in opposing Putin's occupation of the Donbas and annexation of Crimea, though it is my understanding that Trump at least began to provide training support and offensive weapons such as javelins and stingers. Biden reversed some of the Trump era support for Ukraine initially on taking office, that is my recollection, and up until it became apparent that there was an enormous zeitgeist of popular support for Ukraine which needed to be catered to, it seems likely that the deals to provide heavy weapons which began to emerge in March might never have emerged; continuing Obama era policies would seem to have been the more likely approach for the Biden administration had they not calculated it would prove to be political suicide.

All of which leads me back to the view I remember holding and espousing in this thread as far back as 2014 (though I have yet to find the first or primary post where I expressed it yet): without major support for Ukraine, sanctions wouldn't do diddly squat to Putin, and would simply kick the can down the road until Putin felt it was opportune to go for it more forcefully. It seems I was correct and the naysayers who feared that supporting Ukraine years ago when it could have saved thousands of innocent lives and trillions in damage were wrong again.

That is what I'm on about anyway.
 
We all love Americans jumping in political threads with completely biased, partisan views. It smells like American TV in the morning.
 
Turkey can never underestimate Russia when it comes to deciding its political strategy. Although Russian army showed its incompetence in this war, they are still formidable force in the region.

About NATO dumping Turkey, I mean Turkey is literally serving NATO and EU as a country-border between Middle East and Europe for decades and I do not think this purpose will end anytime soon.
 
About NATO dumping Turkey, I mean Turkey is literally serving NATO and EU as a country-border between Middle East and Europe for decades and I do not think this purpose will end anytime soon.
This is why its association with the EU is useful, but it will never be a member. The situation with NATO is different, Turkey is a full member and it abuses this to block the Nords. Demoting it to some kind of partnership will be more useful and realistic for the rest of the NATO, but this is impossible.
 
To answer Anthropoid, I do not blame Obama (exclusively).
I can see a consistent approach of the bi-partisan US establishment to Ukraine, Russia, or should I say to everything they see as USSR if they squint a bit and the picture blurs.

The tone was set by Bush Sr. in the 1991 Chicken Kyiv Speech. We knew that what Americans were really worried about, was a bunch of "Balkan" maniacs with heaps of nukes. So as far as all republics leaving the USSR were concerned, giving away the nukes was actually a precondition for independence. Once we gave away the nukes, we were more or less left alone and allowed to do our own thing. No one took Budapest memorandum too seriously anyway.

Then we had a slew of red flags which outlined the Russian MO in the region for decades to come. First, there was Transnistria, South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Then the first attempted coup in Crimea. Some frictions with Kazakhstan. Russia was putting its foot in every available door to maintain a premise for future conflicts. So it developed into an invasion in Georgia in 2008. Then Crimea and Donbas in 2014 happened. What we're seeing today was probably the endspiel, where Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia were to join Russia again and separatist republics, having served their purpose, would be dissolved. The US was apparently ok with this up to this point, at least they saw it as an inevitability. What the US was probably preparing for was stopping the combined Russian and Ukrainian army in Poland and Baltic states a few years from now. The fact that Ukraine stood strong probably was a shock not just for Russia but the US as well. My take is they thought the Ukrainian government to actually be a cleptocratic regime not prepared to stand behind its declared principles and not supported by the population, so they expected the country to fold like a house of cards when Russian tanks enter. They weren't paying attention, now they're so surprised they still don't have a fully formed diplomatic position on this war it seems.

It's not about Obama. Every US president started his cadence with "relations restart".with Putin.
We received some support during Obama's tenure. We received a bit more during Trump's presidency. We receive a hell of a lot more right now. It's very carefully measured. So that we neither lose nor win. I do believe that the main US fear of Russia's balkanisation still stands. If Russian army is decimated and chased away from Ukraine it may start a chain reaction and we'll see a bunch of Kadyrovs with nukes where Russia once stood. So...

Russian army is fatigued but so is ours. I think US is orchestrating the formation of some sort of a Hindenburg line. Which will keep Putin's regime intact but under constant pressure and preoccupied, to make it shut up and sit still for a decade.
Still it's better than Scholz's initial hopes to see Ukraine slowly devoured or partitioned with later normalization of relations with Russia on even more beneficial terms.

Our real friends right now are Poland, Baltic states, Czechia, Slovakia. Guys who basically know they're next. And surprisingly the UK. I attribute this personally to Johnson, who is apparently a huge admirer of Churchill and would loathe to be remembered as the second Chamerlain. They all send as much weapons as they can afford. USA can do so much more though but they won't.
 
it will never be a member.
Tell me something, I don't know. :xf-grin:
Turkey is a full member and it abuses this to block the Nords.
Yep, this is true and I am sure Turkey will get something out of this. There are lots of news at Turkey right now about Sweden and Finland supporting PKK more than before because of this situation.

One of the pressing point of Erdogan is this actually but he can be satisfied for economical aid because middle class and lower class with respect to economical income suffer the inflation like none other in Turkey right now and 2023 election is coming.
 
One of the pressing point of Erdogan is this actually but he can be satisfied for economical aid because middle class and lower class with respect to economical income suffer the inflation like none other in Turkey right now and 2023 election is coming.
I sympathize with you Turks having to be ruled by Erdogan for so long. I hope there are good opposition candidates with less authoritarian styles who will win in the next election and that Turkey will recover democratically and financially.
 
It's very carefully measured. So that we neither lose nor win. I do believe that the main US fear of Russia's balkanisation still stands. If Russian army is decimated and chased away from Ukraine it may start a chain reaction and we'll see a bunch of Kadyrovs with nukes where Russia once stood. So...
Yeah this always seems to be the main concern I see raised on discussions about Western v Russian geopolitics. I've never heard of it actually being mentioned by any Western military or government official but you don't exactly expect them to talk frankly about geopolitics anway.

And surprisingly the UK. I attribute this personally to Johnson, who is apparently a huge admirer of Churchill and would loathe to be remembered as the second Chamerlain. They all send as much weapons as they can afford. USA can do so much more though but they won't.
Probably this in part, but also because his popularity has been tanking since covid and the recent string of covid related scandals he's embroiled in, so I think it's largely an attempt to look strong on the issue and regain some public support. If he's replaced by another conservative before we get to our next gen election (scheduled for 2025) then I would imagine we'll continue this same policy regarding Ukraine since there's a lot of public support for Ukraine here and conservative voters tend to favour military support (I think).
 
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