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Kolyan147 said:
Only-that was a Ukrainian flag-raising ceremony. Today Day is the national flag of Ukraine. And tomorrow, Independence Day. The president said that we are more than ever a strong and united. Thanked the Russian speakers, who are fighting in the area of ​​ATO. Also referred to the Ukrainian flag in Moscow.
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Formalities. But I'm looking for the military parade though.
 
The planting of the Ukrainian flag and painting of the star over the Kotelnicheskaya Embankment Building, for which four Moscow citizens were arrested, may have been the work of a Ukrainian citizen. "Mustang Wanted", a Ukrainian traceur who became famous last year for scaling various buildings and bridges across Europe without any equipment, has now confessed that he was the one who planted decorated the Moscow landmark and posted a photo of himself standing on one of the blue points of the star. He says he never saw the base jumpers up there, and they deny seeing him. It could all be a bad case of "right place, wrong time." Mustang's confession was born out of a guilt felt for the wrongly accused.

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https://www.facebook.com/mustang.wanted.25/photos/a.562964737051472.140962.562876197060326/951516981529577/?type=1&theater

Base jumpers often fear being caught for trespassing and reckless endangerment, but rarely do they get rounded up for vandalism.
 
SwadianJedi said:
Nobody knows what that cargo was, though.
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And it doesn't matter anymore.

Ukranian authorities claim that those trucks after dropping off their cargo... load the elements of Luhansk "Topaz" plant that produces the "Kolchuga" passive sensor, which is an ESM system.

Freakin' Russians. Stealing!

They might also steal a unique Snezhnoe facility that produces some exclusive elements for aviation turbines. Without this facility Russia won't be able to produce a single plane engine on it's own.


Oh boy, and this people claim to be the greatest and stronkest country in the world.

:roll:
 
Germany offers the Ukraine 500 000 000 euros to restore its economy. Angela Merkel stated that peace can be established only when the east will be fully controlled by the military.
 
Um, no. There's also an interview with the Odessa squad "Storm" that participated in their anihilation. But it's all in Russian, so not much use for non-russian speakers.


Soldiers say they didn't take captives alive... They've found one solder's diary where it states that:
- these soldiers took part in Crimean operation and have been awarded with a medal for it;
- they took part at Belorussian Indepandance Day parade on 4th July:

- then they've signed a contract to go to Ukraine. The contract had all the warnings that they are going at war, but the soldier wrote "I've signed it with no doubts. **** yeah!"

There were some photos of their documents. I couldn't find where I actually found them, but here's at least two:
trueten said:
The Bowman said:
The military has captured a Russian BMD-2.
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Yep. Both guys are from Pskov
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They are from 76th Guards Air Assault Division.
Airborne.
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There were more.

Well yeah, and then some men have checked these division members' accounts in the net (all of them are from Pskov) aaaand.... you know.



Hm, the seps are also planning on having a parade on themself tomorrow.

I'm not sure what it will look like, but the seppies claimed they gonna put all of their hostages to march along the mainroad in Donetsk (just like Stalin did with captive German soldiers). But, they also gonna use some armored vehicles... destroyed (supposedly - ukranian, but it also might be the sep's vehicles too) armored vehicles:
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Just FYI,  War in Ukraine: a relatively pro-Russian piece by French journalist, Jacques Sapir, published today (23 August 2014) and translated into English.

The fighting, which has been taking place in Eastern Ukraine for over three months have remained largely ignored by the French press – with the obvious exception of the still not elucidated destruction of flight MH 17. When the TV channel Fr2 sent a journalist in Donetsk, it was only to report some shelling, not attributed to anyone (but once), when it is widely known that Kiev’s forces have heavily shelled urban areas. These combats have been described by the Ukrainian government as an “anti-terrorist” operation, which is an absurdity. The combatants in Eastern Ukraine are members of an independence movement, who may be qualified as separatists, but they are certainly not “terrorists”, and the use of such vocabulary is telling a lot about the state of mind reigning in Kiev. Sources of information are rare. The official Ukrainian sources (from the Ministry of Defence), do not contain much as far as verifiable (or not verifiable…) information is concerned, besides roaring propaganda communiqués.  The sources of the insurgents of Eastern Ukraine are also chock-full with propaganda. But they also contain information, which is, sometimes, verifiable . . .

Much has been said during these past days about units from the regular Russian army. The “proofs” of their presence are frequently claimed but so far inexistent[2]. This does not mean that there are no such troops, or no “advisers”. The presence of the latter is probable. But it is strange that the Ukrainian loyalist forces have remained incapable of providing any proof . . .

[Insurgent] forces are equipped with materiel seized from army bases at Donetsk or Lugansk, but also with captured materiel (“Grad” rocket launchers, heavy mortars, tanks…) abandoned in large quantity by the Ukrainian Army during defeats in July and August 2014 . . .

The present situation seems to be characterized, since August 18th, by the wearing out of the offensive of the forces loyal to the Kiev government, and by a string of tactical victories on the side of the insurgents. The Kiev forces seem to have failed to cut in two the territory held by the insurgents and to retake control of the Russo-Ukrainian border. The losses they suffered seem to be quite heavy, including the complete destruction of several combat units[3]. The insurgent militias seem to detain at least a hundred of prisoners of war. But an even greater number have surrendered to Russian forces on the Russian side of the border. . . .

It is striking that the manoeuvres of the loyalist forces seem to have been dictated by

    (a) Political will to retake Lugansk and Donetsk as quickly as possible. This determination has led to some “pushes” in situations where the flanks of the engaged units were not protected, which has made it possible for the insurgents to cut them off from their rear bases and to encircle them, and then to destroy them. Moreover, insurgent groups are operating in the region of Kharkov, attacking the logistics of the loyalist forces. This could be the harbinger of much more serious troubles in the Kharkov region. . .

If the military situation stabilizes as it seems to be, or if it turns to the advantage of the insurgents, the Kiev government will face a dilemma, which it cannot resolve. Either it will recognize the situation, but then one will be moving towards a de facto partition of Ukraine for, henceforth, the populations will no longer accept a « Ukrainian » solution, or it will keep the conflict burning, but then Ukraine will be practically deprived of electricity because a large amount of the coal used to this end comes from Donetsk and from the area surrounding it. Pursuing the war during the winter of 2014-2015 will make it ever more unpopular with the Ukrainian population . . .

It is then urgent therefore that combats cease as fast as possible and that an accord be found between the Kiev government and the insurgents, confirming the de facto autonomy of the regions of Lugansk and Donetsk, while keeping them formally inside Ukraine . . .
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Anthropoid said:
Just FYI,  War in Ukraine: a relatively pro-Russian piece by French journalist, Jacques Sapir, published today (23 August 2014) and translated into English.
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A relatively pro-Russian? Mmm... No. I'd say he is a typical russian agent.
Jacques Sapir
Wikipedia said:
He specializes in the economy of Russia, and teaches at the Moscow School of Economics (Moskovskaya Shkola Ekonomiki). He is also an expert in questions of strategy and defence, and a specialist of the Soviet and Russian military. Recently, he has taken position in favor of deglobalization, put in question the future of the Eurozone and has raised the issue of the eventual necessity for France to leave the eurozone.
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Invictus said:
Anthropoid said:
Just FYI,  War in Ukraine: a relatively pro-Russian piece by French journalist, Jacques Sapir, published today (23 August 2014) and translated into English.
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A relatively pro-Russian? Mmm... No. I'd say he is a typical russian agent.
Jacques Sapir
Wikipedia said:
He specializes in the economy of Russia, and teaches at the Moscow School of Economics (Moskovskaya Shkola Ekonomiki). He is also an expert in questions of strategy and defence, and a specialist of the Soviet and Russian military. Recently, he has taken position in favor of deglobalization, put in question the future of the Eurozone and has raised the issue of the eventual necessity for France to leave the eurozone.
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LOL! Okay, good point!  :grin:

Anyway, worth noting that this sort of voice is at least part of what French readers/listeners are hearing. I am not one of those hack "Francophile" Americans, and I actually like French society in many ways. But I think it is safe to say that, there is a 'vulnerability' to pro-Russian thinking among a significant chunk of French society.

I got that link from a French dude who frequents another bbs on which I'm a regular. I more or less copied what he said and posted it here, so "relatively pro-Russian" were his words.

I did check out Sapir's credentials on the right hand side, and noted he has degrees that focus on Russia, but the part about him working for a Russian school I didn't catch. Who was that famous French actor who recently renounced his French citizenship and became Russian? Gerard Depardieu?

All of this to say: while Ukraine might have done some things I disagree with (shelling your own towns and villages as part of an "anti-terrorist" operation IS as Sapir put it, an absurdity and it is not helping things one bit)  it seems obvious to me that Putin is primarily to blame for the nightmare unfolding in Ukraine. However, it seems that many "Westerners" may not stand in the same "pro-Ukrainian & anti-Russian" relative attitude.
 
Found an interesting map that seems to be updated live. http://militarymaps.info/

That hugeass "cauldron" at Amvrosiivka makes me wonder how a professional army can manage to **** up so bad.

Also, Azov battalion seems to have defected from the Ukrainian army. https://twitter.com/Steiner1776/status/503631215661174784

It's not like having a battalion full of neo-nazis and their pals rampaging around the coast is going to be a problem, right guys? :lol:
 
Site got taken down, for me at least.
I was watching it for about 30 minutes, I noticed too many Ukranian forces cut off south, south-west of Donetsk, and it doesn't look bright on other sides either. Except for the stacks of flags northwest of Donetsk. Also I noticed two Russian paratrooper battalions and choppers on the south borders?
 
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