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rejenorst said:
Oh baby don't go all separatist on me.

Aw, glorious...This soulds like a sequence from a porn video. :lol:

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Seems like the Ukrainian Prime Minister resigned.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/25/world/europe/ukraine-parliament-takes-step-toward-elections.html?_r=0
 
I'm telling you without lieing: when I watched that for the second time, I had a bag of popcorn with cheese aroma in my hand. Literally, it's an internet drama on steroids with video support.

Here is a Russian soldier showing how their army launches Grad missiles in the Ukraine: http://www.publika.md/un-soldat-rus-a-publicat-dovezi-foto-si-video-cu-lansarea-rachetelor-militare-in-directia-ucrainei_2023761.html
I can't verify its authenticity by myself.  Maybe you can help.
 
The Bowman said:
I'm telling you without lieing: when I watched that for the second time, I had a bag of popcorn with cheese aroma in my hand. Literally, it's an internet drama on steroids with video support.

Here is a Russian soldier showing how their army launches Grad missiles in the Ukraine: http://www.publika.md/un-soldat-rus-a-publicat-dovezi-foto-si-video-cu-lansarea-rachetelor-militare-in-directia-ucrainei_2023761.html
I can't verify its authenticity by myself.  Maybe you can help.

Well at least it is crystal clear now that Russia is completely innocent and without culpability.
 
rejenorst said:
Apparently the soldier is showing a battalion route map from their location to Ukraine seems he has no problem endangering his own life and those of his unit but the map leads to Rostov on Don, which is Russia? (ростов на дону) :

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https://www.google.com.au/maps/@47.0591698,41.6821106,8z
No, the route actually connects North Ossetia and Rostov.
 
Female 'separatist' posts Instagram selfie with mascara 'looted' from MH17 crash site.

Yeah, I know, 'Daily Mail', but the story is true and has been top-story in our internetz today.



And another story for today - 'Messenger of Peace' killed by drunk driver in central Russia
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But all that **** doesn't matter. What matters is my favourite: SBU uploaded another portion of 'dirty separatist talks', hence proving their connection with Russia.

Yeah, yeah, we knew that all the time. BUT. There's an interesting part in their conversation.

One of the separatist commander in Russia says to Borodai (the prime mimister of DNR):
"Listen, we need Strelkov* to give an interview, where he should say that, although Putin didn't provide any actual help to him (which is lies), but he still remains to be the best man humanity ever had. That he is the hope of Russia and the only man that can restore Russia's might and lead it to glory and manage to 'get it up from the knees'."

:lol:

And you know what? This is completely serious and it's common to say such things in Russian media (and not only media). I'm surprised Putin hasn't declare himself a 'God alive' and found a new religion.

Oh those dictators. They never change. Luckily they all end up the same:
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Strelkov is probably the only separatist commander that doesn't work for anybody and simply does all this war with idealistic motives. He is a convinced monarchist and a complete Russian Empire wacko. But he has a lot of respect and very popular among russians. The seps call him among themself 'the legendary one'. That's why his 'kind' words regarding Putin would guarantee the latter several wet dreams.

UPD: Well well well, more interesting info regarding Strelkov.

Igor Strelkov: Key MH17 Crash Suspect Linked to Massacre of 3,000 Bosnian Muslims in 1992
 
BenKenobi said:
What would Russia gain by firing anything from its own territory onto Ukrainian land? It is not like the separatists have any chance of winning or anything.

A decent question, and you were warranted to caution me against irrational views on it a few pages back.

However, I think to really answer the question, one needs to pose the same question about the larger framework of what seems pretty clearly to be Russian actions: supporting, arming and probably funding a separatist movement in Ukraine, as well as funneling in "volunteer" military organizations.

According to traditional international relations law and theory, these are acts of war. Yet Russia has neither declared war nor hinted at doing so.
 
BenKenobi said:
What would Russia gain by firing anything from its own territory onto Ukrainian land? It is not like the separatists have any chance of winning or anything.

The separatists are losing ground, and probably also lack the trained personnel to operate and the logistics infrastructure to support, heavy artillery. Thus, it is easier and convenient to support the seps with artillery fire from Russian soil, where the batteries are also safe from counter-battery fire and air strikes, while FSB agents embedded with separatist units give them fire missions.

That's how USA handled air strikes during the invasion of Afghanistan - CIA agents (and spec ops teams) embedded in Northern Alliance units calling targets for the planes to hit.
 
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