[TWC] Knockout Stage Week 1
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It is the responsibility of the teams involved in each match to contact one another (contacts are available on the Rosters thread) and organise the time of both their NW and Native matches. Please post here the date and time of these matches so that referees/streams can be organised where appropriate. Additionally, you can use the Server Bookings thread if you want to reserve a server for a certain time (for both officials and training matches).
Another reminder that you must play 4 sets of ft3 on Native and NW; if any result is submitted in a different format it will be invalidated. It is crucial that, for the sake of round-parity between Native and NW, the score is reported in this way.
Picks and Bans will be used for the Semis and Finals.
Good luck!
Another reminder that you must play 4 sets of ft3 on Native and NW; if any result is submitted in a different format it will be invalidated. It is crucial that, for the sake of round-parity between Native and NW, the score is reported in this way.
Picks and Bans will be used for the Semis and Finals.
Good luck!
Gibby, remove this 12-0 for Snappers now and let us play today. Don't be a child and don't try to rig the tournament. We tried to plan the match with Snappers, I asked them several times during the last week and everytime, they answered "no". So if they aren't willing to make this match happen, then they don't deserve to get the default win either.
Moreover, you said we could play til yesterday but we couldn't make it happen yesterday. Also, we did native on monday so...
If you put the deadline date for yesterday instead of today, then you're giving Snappers the default win for no reason even though we can play today, we just couldn't yesterday.
Or maybe you're just acting in their favor, in which case this isn't fairplay at all anymore and it just becomes a rigged tournament.
Moreover, you said we could play til yesterday but we couldn't make it happen yesterday. Also, we did native on monday so...
If you put the deadline date for yesterday instead of today, then you're giving Snappers the default win for no reason even though we can play today, we just couldn't yesterday.
Or maybe you're just acting in their favor, in which case this isn't fairplay at all anymore and it just becomes a rigged tournament.
how can they remove the 12 - 0 when they haven't played their knockout match yet silly billy!
they should play us before Knockout but they got scared for nw part and Gibby suck their dicks so we are dropped 
Are you really this stupid? We can also drop the chat between you and Gi/Matt where you wanted to fix the match. You are the only one here who tried to rig the tournament.Coco_Ayala said:they should play us before Knockout but they got scared for nw part and Gibby suck their dicks so we are dropped
Not like you've been told 5 tines what the deadline is to which your response was 'no we have more time'. Then when people finally agree to a day you cancel and say i have to eat with my family, which is ok. But you aren't even on the roster so it doesn't even matter for the match if ure there or not.
The question Habi is why snappers refuse every times to make the match and got default win? Both sides try to make it and Gibby rigg the tournament putting the deadline a Wednesday, a day we can't play and saying if nope it's a default win for snappers, that's the problem. When you give extra time, it should be fair like one fully week or something to not advance the other team. Moreover we where ready to make it yesterday I asked many times Gibby and Gi to stop being retarded , no matchs got played yesterday so if we played yesterday and change the Knockout stage it wasn't a problem (in the case we got enough rounds to advance). Snappers just refused because they got scarred to let us advance, doesn't matter if we got rekt on native, you know you are trash on nw...
HKP you said I got told 5 times about the deadline date but doesn't mean the date was fair and doesn't mean I didn't try to make the match. I asked many times Gi to play and every times the same answer we can't. For the day you speak about when I said I was eating with my family, yea I was and I wasn't the only one. The hour was 6.30gmt and since that was a bad hour for us I ask to put it at 7gmt like just 30 mins later and then your nw leader said: I can't , I got event to lead with my regiment. I don't know if it's a good idea to be leader and arrange match for your team when you got less avaibilities than someone else who aren't leader and indeed you are leader, that was just a friendly 1v1 (not a competition) and you got others co and co, so they can lead it
Also one more thing, we aren't the only team who complain right now about this tournament so before saying every time it's the other team and not care about opinions of everyone and take them in consideration to make the tournament fair, try to do it or do not host anymore tournament because this tournament is ****ing **** right now indeed there is some peoples who try to make it well, that's not a fair one and well organized.
HKP you said I got told 5 times about the deadline date but doesn't mean the date was fair and doesn't mean I didn't try to make the match. I asked many times Gi to play and every times the same answer we can't. For the day you speak about when I said I was eating with my family, yea I was and I wasn't the only one. The hour was 6.30gmt and since that was a bad hour for us I ask to put it at 7gmt like just 30 mins later and then your nw leader said: I can't , I got event to lead with my regiment. I don't know if it's a good idea to be leader and arrange match for your team when you got less avaibilities than someone else who aren't leader and indeed you are leader, that was just a friendly 1v1 (not a competition) and you got others co and co, so they can lead it
Also one more thing, we aren't the only team who complain right now about this tournament so before saying every time it's the other team and not care about opinions of everyone and take them in consideration to make the tournament fair, try to do it or do not host anymore tournament because this tournament is ****ing **** right now indeed there is some peoples who try to make it well, that's not a fair one and well organized.
Considering you pestered Matt and I about match fixing our game so that you can advance, I think it's incredibly ironic that you are now saying that the tournament is rigged (is that not what you wanted to do??) If anybody on here has my steam you are more than welcome to ask me for logs and you can make your own informed decision.
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I will refrain from making any statement on the actual scheduling issue since I don't have enough evidence to make an informed decision however, that's quite the bold statement to make considering I had to go back to August 25th to find a NW tournament where Animals outperformed Snappers/UVF; the last 8v8 left aside.
If you think calling the other team 'trash' will help you getting your point across then you got it the wrong way around.
In all seriousness, what does it change that he kept pestering you to give him the 4 rounds he needs? You still got a default win in a situation where both teams failed to schedule properly. I do not see why being able to play on Wednesday would somehow be an acceptable criterion to receive a default win on; especially when you rejected playing on Sunday.
This happened to Animals now, but extend this ruling to a semifinals match where Gibby's team receives a default win and **** would go down. It's not a fair ruling, has no basis in the rules and it can still be rectified at this stage.
This happened to Animals now, but extend this ruling to a semifinals match where Gibby's team receives a default win and **** would go down. It's not a fair ruling, has no basis in the rules and it can still be rectified at this stage.
We didn't reject Sunday, we requested to play 30mins before that time, and considering the rules stating that the default time if it cannot be agreed is 6pm, that was fairly reasonable. Now regarding the first part of your post, you don't have an issue with someone trying to rig their group and cheat a team out of a knockout spot? What if we had agreed, would it still not be a problem?Watly said:
We both know that earlier than Sunday 19gmt is extremely hard for a lot of people to play: the default time being 6pm gmt is a real pile of **** and I hope it is never applied. Apparently, you guys didn't play because you disagreed over half an hour earlier or later, which makes it even worse in my eyes. You were both unable to find a good date on Sunday, found a good date on Monday and Animals proposed Saturday and was unavailable on Tuesday and Wednesday. Give me one good reason as to why you deserved a default win here, as I see 0.
Normally, I would care about match fixing. However, given that Gibby lets rounds stand in which the opposing team have used illegal modifications, I couldn't care less in this tournament.
Normally, I would care about match fixing. However, given that Gibby lets rounds stand in which the opposing team have used illegal modifications, I couldn't care less in this tournament.
First of all, Tardet did the line up in the last tournament was the same from both side? Answer is clearly no , many players are not the same and with also native players that's not the same thing actually....
Second point you never asked to play 30 mins before default hour but 30mins after and it's clearly not the same case actually because 30mins the time we need to do the gf. You clearly said Gi that you can't make it at 7gmt , only 6.30gmt that's why we didn't play the Sunday....
Third point who show who salty you are it's you kicked me from your nw reg there is few mins because you know I am right and you didn't want to fight us and so you don't deserve this default win....
Second point you never asked to play 30 mins before default hour but 30mins after and it's clearly not the same case actually because 30mins the time we need to do the gf. You clearly said Gi that you can't make it at 7gmt , only 6.30gmt that's why we didn't play the Sunday....
Third point who show who salty you are it's you kicked me from your nw reg there is few mins because you know I am right and you didn't want to fight us and so you don't deserve this default win....
The entire force a default day rule is complete garbage. The idea behind it is good it's just way too abuseable. Had that problem a few times now but rule hasen't changed. Trying to fix a match should result in a default loss.
The fact that you do that and afterwards complain about fair play blows my mind.
The fact that you do that and afterwards complain about fair play blows my mind.
Incredible, there was me thinking native had high standards regarding cheating. I suppose the accusations directed towards you regarding the nations cup may have some ground after all. Flexible morals are something you generally shouldn't flaunt.Watly said:
Now regarding the organising of the match, we had equal issues on both sides organising with coco, with him only suggesting playing on the weekend (sat and sunday at 7pm). Once again 6.30 is a reasonable time as it is only 30mins before and I have said it multiple days in advance. I had suggested playing monday before/after the native match (at 7.40), which was refused, with coco only wanting to play the next sat. I told coco that the deadline of the extension was Wednesday and that we would have to play or it would be defaulted, he said no and it got defaulted. We weren't scared of anything, we won the group easily, beat Animals 12-0 on the native side and would likely beat them on the nw side also. The suggestion of Thursday came on the day of the deadline, to which I said to speak to Gibby.
"Give me one good reason as to why you deserved a default win here, as I see 0." - I don't think I have to, that's the admins job to judge, but I can understand your position due to being on a rival team.
Damn, you managed to be disingenuous, hypocritical and downright stupid in the same post, good job Gi!
Thank you for confirming that there is not a single good reason to give you a default win and that this is yet another case of an arbitrary admin ruling. I can still accept that it had no impact on the final result of the tournament when we (ChimpZ) got screwed, but this time it directly eliminates a team.
Thank you for confirming that there is not a single good reason to give you a default win and that this is yet another case of an arbitrary admin ruling. I can still accept that it had no impact on the final result of the tournament when we (ChimpZ) got screwed, but this time it directly eliminates a team.
the reason why we should get the default over them is simply that they tried fixing the match (twice!).Watly said:
Even if Gi offered to play 30 mins early on sunday they could've simply said no were forcing default time or am I wrong. If the deadline is wednesday and you dont force default time and you can't play any day after sunday it's your fault.
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