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[TUTORIAL] Custom Knighthood Order

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You can create your very own Knighthood Order in PoP 3.6. You can name the Order and its knights and sergeants, upgrade their equipment and train them to become the best Order in Pendor.

Be warned, it will be a long and costly process, but ultimately rewarding.

For starters, you need a castle or a town of your own.
You create your Order the same as any other, but you need a Qualis Gem, 70 Honor and the usual 20000 gold.
Talk to the steward first and click the War Room option. There's a "Create a New Order!" option there.
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Then, you get to name it and its knights and sergeants.
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And you are done. Go back to the castle hall... who are these peasants guarding your hall?
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These are your Order troops... raw and under-equipped for now.
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Let's see what we can do with them.
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You notice that you can get them from Sarleon Knights and Men-at-Arms at some prestige cost. This depends on your culture - in this game I'm a Sarleon vassal, other cultures have different source troops.

Let's see what can be done about equipment. The Scarlet Knights badly need a much better armor.
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Once in the equipment screen, you have all the armor available in stores on the right, and your knight is on the left (ignore the middle troop... engine limitations).
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Drag and drop the armor you want to the leftmost troop, your knight. The upgrade cost and time are in the item info pop-up.
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Note that the items on the right are only those that your troops can use. For advanced equipment to become available, you'll need to train your Order troops and increase their stats - we'll get to that later. For example, your sergeants start with Riding skill of 0 - you won't be able to give them horses at the beginning until their Riding increases!
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Confirm the upgrade and you are done.
You can only upgrade one item at a time for each knights and sergeants. You'll get a message when the upgrade is complete, or you can ask your steward how many more days it will take.

Now, how about training your Order troops? Their stats are miserable.
You need skilled companions, preferably with good Training skill. They will be able to train your knights up to their own attribute (Strength/Agility), skills and weapon proficiencies levels. Eventually.
Let's talk to Leth (in our party screen) and send him on a mission to train your Order.
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Once he comes back, he'll report on the stat increases.
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That's good, but more training will be needed - months of it.

After several months, our sergeants now look like this. They are ready.
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The castle hall looks more dignified with such well-equipped guards too.
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Your Order troops are now ready for the battles to come.
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Make them unique. Equip and train them well. Conquer Pendor.

Tips:
- You can join your Order, but you'll be unable to progress through ranks and miss out on some rewards. Join another Order instead.
- Note that equipment for your troops won't show up if they don't have the stats to wield it, like armor with high Strength requirements, bows with high Power Draw requirements, horses with high Riding requirements etc. Train your troops some more to see more equipment.
- Replacing existing equipment will give you a discount of time and money for the new item (1/3 of the old item price and time).
- Train your steward in Trade to get more reasonable prices for the equipment upgrades.


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Upgrade Tweak/Cheat for those who want to shorten the vanilla standard time for some CHKO features (optional, not necessary to use)

Credit goes to Dusk Voyager:

Dusk Voyager said:
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This is going to be awesome. In fact very awesome. Maybe too awesome to be true?


If this is for real, there will be so many Fish Knights and Order of the Pink Pansies that Pendor is going to drown in them  :eek:.
 

noosers

Grandmaster Knight
M&BWB
You should add this post to the FAQ as well, MV.

So basically, yes, your CumstoMizableKnightHoodOrder will be totally useless fresh off the egg.
So basically, yes, your CMKHO will have crappier stats than their recruits.

But hey, your CMKHO has total customization. It´s probably not something you want to invent immediately after you took your first castle but rather something you´ll create and train in those long boring times of peace which won´t be that boring anymore as fully upgrading and training your CMKHO takes ages and costs a fortune. But once you´re there you got exactly what you wanted. If it´s Fish Knights, Pink Pansies, Loincloth Lions or Deckenpuppels Puppets is up to you.

The only tricky part is gender. If you want female order knights, you need to be careful what you pick. But since we´re still testing it, some minor tweak for magickal sex transformation may appear.

Bonus points if you have Donovan drill your Sergeants

 
You can have female knights only if you are of Fierdsvain culture, since only they have a female noble troop tree. Of course, cross-dressing is an option too. :smile:
 

Zim45

Sergeant at Arms
That is awesome. Just when I think the mod couldn't possibly be any more amazing, I find something like this is being added.

I get the feeling it would be too much to hope features like this from 3.6 will be save game compatible with our current games. One of my current characters is just the type I could see founding an order. On the other hand I have been meaning to start an Empire based character someday and a custom order of Cataphracts would be very cool.  :grin:
 
That's nice to hear.
Unfortunately there's no save game compatibility. It's pretty hard to keep compatibility and most of the time impossible if you are making substantial changes like the ones in 3.6.
 

Zim45

Sergeant at Arms
Seeing how big of an adjustment this alone is I'm not surprised to hear it.  Just gives me a new character to plan for while I continue my current one in the meantime. :grin:

I forsee a lengthy "Post your Knighthood Order" thread coming out soon after the new version comes out...
 

noosers

Grandmaster Knight
M&BWB
Well, one thing you may be sure of is that it´s working as intended.

MV has gained considerable skill as coder through all the projects he participated and me the devteam is pretty experienced in *****ing extended testing and abusation of nerves and morale, things and features.

So it will be pretty bug-free and hopefully working without any major gamebreaking glitches or breakdowns.
The release will show.
 

Borge_AU

Sergeant
My god this looks incredible! Amazing feature and cannot wait to train up my knights to rival even the Noldor.  :smile:

Literally just today i was thinking "Wouldn't it be awesome if i could have custom knights in Pendor, like outfitting mercenaries in Fire & Sword", and then MadVader comes along and makes dreams come true.
 

M0rdred

Master Knight
Borge_AU said:
Literally just today i was thinking "Wouldn't it be awesome if i could have custom knights in Pendor, like outfitting mercenaries in Fire & Sword", and then MadVader comes along and makes dreams come true.

He can read minds, its why he is such a good coder :wink:
 

WhiteSparrow

Recruit
Holy.... this sounds absolutely awesome! Looking forward to 3.6 a great deal after hearing about this. Thank you!

MadVader said:
You can have female knights only if you are of Fierdsvain culture, since only they have a female noble troop tree. Of course, cross-dressing is an option too. :smile:

Hm. Would it be too crazy an idea to have female Order Knights from the Maiden Nobles as with the Falcons in 3.51? Or just have the option for female sergeants/squires from one of the other Maiden troops for non-Fierdsvain cultures?

Regardless, this feature, along with the briefly mentioned stronghold, sounds like e a ton of fun!
 

Aqnde

Recruit
Would there be any way to decrease the item upgrade times?
Maybe more skilled order troops wouldn't take so long to learn how to wear that platemail or something?
 

Wild Card

Master Knight
WB
Would it be posible for you as the player to join your own order, and do all the new quests and promote to the ranks of your order? Or would it just be weird to be the founder of the order of ......... knights and start off at the bottom of the rank ladder??
 

noosers

Grandmaster Knight
M&BWB
There´s no ingame mechanic or legal way to decrease upgrade times.
It´s not about your troops wearing the stuff, it´s about your blacksmith making it.
150 suits of plate don´t grow on trees. They need to be made or purchased, and that takes some time.

If you start your own CMKHO, you´ll automatically become honorary GM you can´t progress any further.

Just as your starting position an already exisiting order will depend on your current status and past. You can but must not start as Order recruit.
The new system will allow you to play a whole "order" game. Within it´s restrictions and limitations but still considerably more than before.

As for the female order quest,I think the female peasants are the source for their order squires.
 
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