Troop trees?

[Weaver]

couldn't find any hints on hegemony troop trees anywhere. but unlike most other mods i do need them badly here because troop names in the mod rarely are intuitive. when you upgrade your soldier you almost never know if he's going to be a swordsman or a cavalry archer. if you're not an ancient war history geek of course. 
so anyone ready to share his wisdom?

 

[Vimes]

Not sure about most of them, but Roman troop tree goes vaguely like this (don't take this as law, I'm prone to errors)


Leves

Rostari (skirmisher type)

Velites (archer/skirmisher) /  Hastati (skirmisher/infantry)

Eques (cavalry)              /  Prinicipe (infantry)

After that I'm not too sure, but I think Triiari is one choice next, and they're spearmen.

 

[gregor_y]

Can someone post more troop trees of other factions?

 

[Weaver]

hmm.. looks like we'll have to find it out ourselves.
if everyone contributes some info about the nation he recruits from, eventually we'll build out those trees from the scratch. so here's what i offer to do - write down info about each unit in your army and post it here. it shouldn't be very time consuming - just post the tier's name, names of troops it upgrades to and is upgraded from and its equipment. that should do. i'll personally take sarmatian tree. here's what i know so far.

light spearman - sarmatian rider - roxolani rider - roxolani noble cavalry
                                          - aorsi horse archer - aorsi noble horse archer
                                                                      - aorsi noble cavalry
                    - scyth foot archer - scyth horse archer
                                                  - scyth axeman - scyth rider

Light Spearman
Wage 4  Level 9 Hitpoints 46
Proficiencies: 120
Role: Light spearman
Eqiup: tunic, sarmatian shield, spear
Upgrades to: Sarmatian Rider, Scythian Foot Archer

Scyth Foot Archer
Wage 6 Level 12 Hitpoints 44
Proficiencies: 130
Role: Archer
Eqiup: tunic, shortbow, pelta, scyth sword
Upgrades to: Scyth Horse Archer, Scyth Axeman

Scyth Horse Archer
Wage 12 Level 14 Hitpoints 49
Proficiencies: 200 (archery: 250)
Role: Horse Archer
Eqiup: tunic, short bow, pelta, scyth sword
Mounted: courser

Scyth Axeman
Wage 9 Level 15 Hitpoints 47
Proficiencies: 160
Role: Light Infantry
Eqiup: tunic, round, axe (iron or bronze)
Upgrades to: Scyth Rider

Scyth Rider
Wage 14 Level 16 Hitpoints 51
Proficiencies: 175
Role: Light Cavalry
Eqiup: tunic, pelta, axe (iron or bronze)
Mounted: steppe horse

Sarmatian Rider
Wage 12 Level 14 Hitpoints 51
Proficiencies: 175  (archery 240)
Role: Horse Archer
Eqiup: padded leather, short bow, scythian sword
Mounted: steppe horse, rarely courser
Upgrades to: Roxolani Rider, Aorsi Horse Archer

Roxolani Rider
Wage 12 Level 14 Hitpoints 48
Proficiencies: 200 (archery 240, throw 500 - no javelins though)
Role: Light Cavalry
Eqiup: scale, spear, sarmatian cavalry shield
Mounted: saddle, steppe horse or courser
Upgrades to: Roxolani Noble Cavalry

Roxolani Noble Cavalry
Wage 24 Level 23 Hitpoints 58
Proficiencies: 220
Role: Heavy Cavalry
Eqiup: eastern scale, pike (no shield!)
Mounted: scale or kataphraktoi horse

Aorsi Horse Archer
Wage 21 Level 21 Hitpoints 54
Proficiencies: 200 (archery 255)
Role: Horse Archer
Eqiup: padded leather, composite bow, scythian sword
Mounted: courser
Upgrades to: Aorsi Noble Cavalry, Aorsi Noble Horse Archer

Aorsi Noble Horse Archer
Wage 21 Level 21 Hitpoints 52
Proficiencies: 220 (archery 255)
Role: Horse Archer
Eqiup: lamellar armour, composite bow, iron axe, sarmatian cavalry shield
Mounted: scale or lamellar horse

Aorsi Noble Cavalry
Wage 24 Level 23 Hitpoints 53
Proficiencies: 220
Role: Heavy Cavalry
Eqiup: lamellar armour, spear, sarmatian cavalry shield
Mounted: scale or lamellar horse


on a side note, sarmatian cavalry units seem to be quite strong yet cheaper in upkeep, comparing to other factions' cavalry i saw so far.

 

[Merlkir]

sarmatians are incredibly powerful. It should probably be like that, but they have strong lancers with friggin long lances, strong heavy cavalry with those dreaded axes (loads of dmg) and very good archers.

Anyway, I play Macedon, but there the troop tree is rather fine and easy to understand.

 

[Weaver]

Anyway, I play Macedon, but there the troop tree is rather fine and easy to understand.

will you post it, please? just for reference.
i know i can whip up every faction's troop tree myself, but that would mean that i'd need to actually PLAY for every faction for a while. which i don't really want to do.

 

[Weaver]

okay, i guess you guys are being lazy.
can someone at least answer me a question: which faction has top tier cavalry wielding one-handers? (no spears, no ranged)

 

[Red River]

bear in mind all spears are 1-h weapons in this mod there's not many mounted troops that would use swords since most of 'em are so short...

 

[gregor_y]

Question is there faction similar to Khergit Khante? i mean light horse man with bows from very begining? i like to travel fast

 

[FrisianDude]

Not from the very beginning, but you might like Sarmatians, their first troops are Light spearman which can become Sarmatian Rider or Scythian Archer.



Also; I think this is the Greek troop tree:

                                    Hellenic Levy Hoplite
                                /                                \
              Light Hoplite                                    Hellenic Akontistai
            /            \                                            |
        Hoplite          Hell. Hipakontistai Cav.            Hell. Peltast
        /          \                |                                  |
Trad.        Iphikratous  Hell. Hippeis Cav.              Hell. Toxotes
Hoplite        Hoplite
  |
Spartan Hoplite

Iphikratous Hoplite are lighter armoured than Trad., but have larger shield and larger spear.

 

[gregor_y]

Not from the very beginning, but you might like Sarmatians, their first troops are Light spearman which can become Sarmatian Rider or Scythian Archer.

Well i would like them but from what i noticed they only got 4 villages and recruting from only 4 villages is pain in ass...im playing as Rome atm...they need to balance things up...

 

[ealabor]

okay, i guess you guys are being lazy.
can someone at least answer me a question: which faction has top tier cavalry wielding one-handers? (no spears, no ranged)

Scythian riders should have melee weapons - axes

upgradeable from Scythian Axemen

 

[Shik]

Peasant Woman
        |
Camp Follower
        |
Camp Huntress
        |
Camp Defender
        |
Sword Sister


In Hegemony, Sword Sisters wear Mail Hauberks and use Celtic Swords. They are pretty good cavalry.

 

[Momaw]

I'm playing a Germanic barbarian.  So here's the Germanic troop tree. 

                            Gaizoz Frije
                                Levy
                      /                       \
                   Chauci                 Jugunthiz
                  Spearman                Skirmisher
               /              \                  |
          Dugunthiz          Ridanz           Skutjanz
          Spearman          Light Cav.         Archer
        /          \              \
Thegnoz Drugle     Speutagard    Mahathegnoz
Heavy Swordsman      Pikeman      Heavy Cav.

Gaizoz Frije Levy
Wage 4  Level 9  Hitpoints 47
Proficiences: 130
Role: Skirmisher
Equip:  no/light armor, large shield, spear, light javelins
Upgrades to:  Chauci Spearman,  Jugunthiz Skirmisher

Chauci Spearman
Wage 6  Level 12  Hitpoints 50
Proficiencies: 130
Role: Light spearman
Equip: no/light armor, large shield, spear
Upgrades to: Dugunthiz Spearman,  Ridanz Light Cavalry

Jugunthiz Skirmisher
Wage 9  Level 15  Hitpoints 50
Proficiences: 150 melee,  255 throwing
Role: Skirmisher
Equip: no/light armor, small shield, sword, heavy javelins
Upgrades to: Skutjanz Archer

Dugunthuz Spearman
Wage 13  Level 20 Hitpoints 57
Proficiencies: 200
Role: Light spearman
Eqiup: light armor, no/large shield, spear
Upgrades to: Speutagard,  Thegnoz Drugule

Ridanz Light Cavalry
Wage 19  Level 25 Hitpoints 57
Proficiencies 150
Role: Light cavalry
Equip: no armor, small shield, courser
Upgrades to Marhathegnoz Heavy Cavalry

Skutjanz Archer
Waeg 19  Level 25  Hitpoints 57
Proficiences: 200
Role: Archer
Equip: light armor, no/small shield, short bow, sword

Speutagard
Wage 6  Level 12  Hitpoints 48
Proficiencies: 150
Role: Pikeman
Equip: no/light armor, small shield, pike

Thegnoz Drugle
Wage 26  Level 30 Hitpoints 65
Profciences: 300
Role: Heavy Swordsman
Equip: mail armor, large shield, sword

Mahathegnoz Heavy Cavalry
Wage 23  Level 28  Hitpoints 65
Proficiencies: 250
Role: Heavy Cavalry
Equip: mail armor, large shield, spear

 

[FrisianDude]

Peasant Woman
        |
Camp Follower
        |
Camp Huntress
        |
Camp Defender
        |
Sword Sister


In Hegemony, Sword Sisters wear Mail Hauberks and use Celtic Swords. They are pretty good cavalry.

Riding coursers and somtimes using small round shields, decent cavalry indeed. (Especially compared to any Hellenic/ succesor/ Roman cavalry.)

 

[Weaver]

Momaw, good job! actually, i was so inspired by your post that i've reworked mine to be as informative.
so far we have two factions fully described.

 

[Shik]

Here's two incomplete trees. Feel free to fill it in.

Hellenic Levy Hoplite
        |
Light Hoplite
        |
Hoplite
        |
Traditional Hoplite
      |                \
Spartan Hoplite  Ikphraktous Hoplite (no idea how to spell it)


I'm not certain about the rest of the tree though. Light Hoplite should also upgrade to ranged units and (cavalry?) AFAIK.

(Macedonian Levy Hoplite)?
      |
Macedonian Levy Phalangite
      |
Macedonian Pezhatorai
      |
Macedonian Agyraspides

Not entirely certain about this tree too. I believe that the Levy Hoplite branches off to an archer and cavalry section.



Romans:

                Leves
                  |
                Rorarii
              /          \
          Hastati        Velite
        /            \              \
Equis                Auxiliary  Light Auxilia
    |                    |    \              \
Roman Cavalry  Triarii  Legionary  Auxiliary Archer


Not entirely certain on the Roman tree as well.

 

[Merlkir]

            (Macedonian Levy Hoplite
        /                              |                                   
Macedonian Akontistai    Macedonian Levy Phalangite 
        |                              |                                \
Macedonian Toxotes      Macedonian Pezhetairoi      Macedonian Thureophoros
                                        |                                |                                        \
                          Macedonian Argyraspides    Macedonian Hippeis Cavalry            Macedonian Hypaspist
                                                                          |                      \
                                                Macedonian Hetairoi Xystophoros  Thessalian Hippeis


I think it's like this. Maybe there are some missing, I don't use cavalry and archers that much.
Now, Pezhetairoi are phalangites with sarissas, Argyraspides are really tough. Thureophoroi are light infantry with linothorakes, spears and thureos shields carrying javelins. Hypaspistes are elite infantry, super fast and good fighters, but they have only spears and hoplite shields (they should have mixed spears and swords imho) and some of them don't have armor.

 

[Ruthven]

Romans:

                 Leves
                   |
                 Rorarii
               /           \
           Hastati         Velite
         /            \              \
Eques                principe   Light Auxilia
    |                    |    \               \
Roman Cavalry  Triarii  Legionary   Auxiliary Archer
                        |          \
                    auxiliary    praetorian

edited. I'm almost certain this is it.

 

[Shik]

Yep, that looks about right.