Troop aesthetics after the armor rework

[argon45]

Cataphracts was one of the very few units looking pretty good in game and including this, it seems they changed every troop aesthetics and the result is horrible as always.If they're continue to do things like this, Im pretty sure when this game come out of early access (2023 at best) it will look worse than early access release. But whatever, right? There are a lot of modders there, they'll fix everything...

 

[RJ_Sera]

Cataphracts was one of the very few units looking pretty good in game and including this, it seems they changed every troop aesthetics and the result is horrible as always.If they're continue to do things like this, Im pretty sure when this game come out of early access (2023 at best) it will look worse than early access release. But whatever, right? There are a lot of modders there, they'll fix everything...

mamluke is my favorite and now they look ugly, i'm done with this game

 

[Terco_Viejo]

These new troop designs look awful. Don't really understand why this has happened after the community has given TaleWorlds many good suggestions for troop aesthetics. Hopefully they're still a wip.

I wonder too...

With a bit of effort and work, you too can make your own Troop Overhaul mod. I mean, just look at my signature.

Boy I like it, it's quite interesting your composition.
I did mine too (Native troop reshape), I couldn't resist (I just over-wrote the native not creating new troops)

 

[Dabos37]

I think people are overreacting here. Sure, there are units which look worse now but there also are some units looking better and some positive changes.

Could you please people post these units which you find worse instead of saying: “this is horrible” or “I am done with this game”.

I am personally glad to see Sturgian spearman getting decent armor and better look. Banner Knights getting back their initial armor, Marksman looking less heavily armored, Vlandian Vanguard looking less elite than before, etc.

 

[Nalgasucia507]

I think people are overreacting here. Sure, there are units which look worse now but there also are some units looking better and some positive changes.

Could you please people post these units which you find worse instead of saying: “this is horrible” or “I am done with this game”.

I am personally glad to see Sturgian spearman getting decent armor and better look. Banner Knights getting back their initial armor, Marksman looking less heavily armored, Vlandian Vanguard looking less elite than before, etc.

+1.

 

[FinnishViking1996]

Thing I miss the most are definetly the cataphracts old helmets, new ones just look out of place and I think it would be more accurate if at least the elite ones would have the closed visored helmet. Also now splint boots provide more armor than plated lamelar ones, the splint ones are so ugly imo.

But whats most distrubing is thath for me the patch made all my troops fat and old. This is a bug I know, but I just cant play before a fix comes to this

 

[Xaerdys]

I think people are overreacting here. Sure, there are units which look worse now but there also are some units looking better and some positive changes.

Could you please people post these units which you find worse instead of saying: “this is horrible” or “I am done with this game”.

Exactly! I'm getting tired of people complaining about everything TW sais or does or has not solved yet by yelling extremes.
Yesterday a hot fix seemingly introduced an icon mixup in 1.5.3 (still not solved). And people in the steam discussion where like "This game is unplayable now." >Unplayable<, because the icons in trade and the character screen where scrambled.

I just installed the beta to see what everyone here was complaining about.
But I don't get (for the most part). I see changes, yes, but you know, these cataphracts moving around in sparkling armor was never that convincing to me. In my opinion, the helm was inproper to them.
But even if I did like the 1.5.3. that much... How is this such a big deal?

The only thing I find puzzling, is the old man theme in all units. Well, given the fact one or the other is named "*** Youth", I exspect this will be changed at one point further in.

I can live with my super old fresh recruits for the day. Together we will show these youngster, what we are made of, just you wait!
Ugh my back is killing me...

Also, installing the beta cured the icon problem.

 

[nereid]

I think people are overreacting here. Sure, there are units which look worse now but there also are some units looking better and some positive changes.

Could you please people post these units which you find worse instead of saying: “this is horrible” or “I am done with this game”.

I am personally glad to see Sturgian spearman getting decent armor and better look. Banner Knights getting back their initial armor, Marksman looking less heavily armored, Vlandian Vanguard looking less elite than before, etc.

Exactly! I'm getting tired of people complaining about everything TW sais or does or has not solved yet by yelling extremes.
Yesterday a hot fix seemingly introduced an icon mixup in 1.5.3 (still not solved). And people in the steam discussion where like "This game is unplayable now." >Unplayable<, because the icons in trade and the character screen where scrambled.

I just installed the beta to see what everyone here was complaining about.
But I don't get (for the most part). I see changes, yes, but you know, these cataphracts moving around in sparkling armor was never that convincing to me. In my opinion, the helm was inproper to them.
But even if I did like the 1.5.3. that much... How is this such a big deal?

The only thing I find puzzling, is the old man theme in all units. Well, given the fact one or the other is named "*** Youth", I exspect this will be changed at one point further in.

I can live with my super old fresh recruits for the day. Together we will show these youngster, what we are made of, just you wait!
Ugh my back is killing me...

Also, installing the beta cured the icon problem.

No, the changes did not make the troops ugly or the game unplayable. It just removed some armor diversity in my opinion. Sure, they added the Battanian Warlord armor, but they did this to two different troops instead of only one. On the other hand I liked the Norman themed helmets for the banner knights, the flat helmet looks a little bit off. To be honest this is whining on a high level, but just as I have written before, I would like a consistent theme for each kingdom. With the least mish mash between the cultures possible.

By the way, IMHO the reason why the Cataphracts are looking off now are the shining armors and the dull helmet. This is one of the things that I criticize. Either make everything shiny or everything dull for one unit.

 

[scarface52]

Thing I miss the most are definetly the cataphracts old helmets, new ones just look out of place

I liked the old helmet more but to be fair old one was a Sturgian helmet so it wasn't right for a Imperial soldier to wear it in the first place.

 

[FinnishViking1996]

I liked the old helmet more but to be fair old one was a Sturgian helmet so it wasn't right for a Imperial soldier to wear it in the first place.

Yeah in-game it was called northern visored helmet or something but compared to "real world" it looked more like traditional byzantine/eastern cataphracts helmet. But I know this isn't "real world".

 

[RJ_Sera]

I love the look of stugian veterant warrior and mamluke heavy cav before, just want to have them again

 

[HalfMetalJacket]

@Dabos37 @Nalgasucia507 @Xaerdys

I want you guys to look at Battanian Veteran Falxmen and Battanian Horsemen and tell me those guys actually look nice. I can think of more, but those are the very worst offenders. Cataphracts themselves look kind of lame now without that stereotypical helmet they had.

And call me silly, but I rather liked my shirtless Falxmen.

I'll admit this much though, I am fine with the Banner Knight and I'm surprised people got hung up on the hoodie when I found the helmet and weird quilt coat of plates to be ugly. Sturgian Spearman are also winners here. I just wished they didn't **** with everything else so much.

 

[HalfMetalJacket]

I wonder too...

Boy I like it, it's quite interesting your composition.
I did mine too (Native troop reshape), I couldn't resist (I just over-wrote the native not creating new troops)

Ah that. Oh ****, those were my stupid comments I left around. Incoming cringe.

On a serious note, your mod did help me come up with a few looks for my own one, particularly Vlandia's. I'm not sure why TW has listed those Phrygian pointed helmets as Aserai, and then gave half their troops them in this new beta patch.

 

[Xaerdys]

@Dabos37 @Nalgasucia507 @Xaerdys

I want you guys to look at Battanian Veteran Falxmen and Battanian Horsemen and tell me those guys actually look nice.

Nice? Can't say that, though nice is not really a category for me. As for asthetics, things should feel fitting .Their armors are a bit too bright imo. But even if these guys who kill nearly daily for a living without access to a toothbrush do not look nice, I would also not use the word ugly.

My point is, it does not bother me that much. Especially not enough to fall into an endless rant like some people here.

To be honest this is whining on a high level, but just as I have written before, I would like a consistent theme for each kingdom. With the least mish mash between the cultures possible.

I liked the old helmet more but to be fair old one was a Sturgian helmet so it wasn't right for a Imperial soldier to wear it in the first place.

So, Nereid, this actually works in your favour.


You know what is puzzling for me? Why does non of the cataphracts use a cataphract lance?

 

[Nalgasucia507]

@Dabos37 @Nalgasucia507 @Xaerdys

I want you guys to look at Battanian Veteran Falxmen and Battanian Horsemen and tell me those guys actually look nice. I can think of more, but those are the very worst offenders. Cataphracts themselves look kind of lame now without that stereotypical helmet they had.

And call me silly, but I rather liked my shirtless Falxmen.

I'll admit this much though, I am fine with the Banner Knight and I'm surprised people got hung up on the hoodie when I found the helmet and weird quilt coat of plates to be ugly. Sturgian Spearman are also winners here. I just wished they didn't **** with everything else so much.

Playing with 1.5.3 build since mostly I do MP. Next week ill be in vacation so ill check it out in two weeks time. It could be that 1.5.5 would be out by then.

 

[Julius_Persi]

Most what I miss are cataphracts helmets.

Ohan cataphracs look's So ulgy now .

 

[RJ_Sera]

https://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?threads/1-5-4-patch-cataphract-helmet.433380/
I found this topic, let's vote for what u want

 

[Apocal]

It used to be this good...

 

[vonbalt]

It used to be this good...

Indeed.. wouldn't be better if they messed around with armor values instead of mix-matching different cultural pieces and destroying the asthetics of each faction? their armor values are currently pretty bad with shoulder armor protecting like toilet paper or some leather armors having more protection than a chainmail, they should at least standardize it by material type etc like the modder from realistic battles did (where a quilted leather armor will never be stronger than a hauberk for example)

 

[Carrion]

I thought this game was supposed to be dark-ages not medieval?