Transfer: M&B Repository -> M&B Nexus

[MadocComadrin]

You called it essential, ie necessary. It's a very nice feature to have, but it's not necessary.

 

[ntb_15]

You called it essential, ie necessary. It's a very nice feature to have, but it's not necessary.

Sorry, i guess i worded it wrong, by "essential feature of the repository" i meant to convey that it is a "very useful feature of the repository".

 

[Duh]

I quite agree with ntb_15. There shouldnt be a move, but rather a cooperation. At least until we have made some experiences with the nexus and see how it works for us modders and for the players.

Oh and cheers to DarkOne for directly addressing our concerns.

 

[DanAngleland]

You called it essential, ie necessary. It's a very nice feature to have, but it's not necessary.

It is necessary if you can't count on the internet connection to hold up through a large download. A few years ago, I had to give up trying to update Battlefield 2 simply because the patch downloads I found were over 800mb (I hadn't updated it for a while), and my connection was conking out well before it got near 800mb. So not essential for all users, but essential for those with unreliable internet connections, and ntb did specify that he had experienced this problem.

 

[Swyter]

It is necessary if you can't count on the internet connection to hold up through a large download.

You're right. Not everyone has a neat, stable connection. And that's not fair, just only because few people are leeching traffic.
That's why I compress all my downloads in a usable way. Sadly, that's not the golden rule.

It's a downloads site. It shouldn't be putting even more restrictions to the users for getting the content. Common sense.

 

[MadocComadrin]

It is necessary if you can't count on the internet connection to hold up through a large download. A few years ago, I had to give up trying to update Battlefield 2 simply because the patch downloads I found were over 800mb (I hadn't updated it for a while), and my connection was conking out well before it got near 800mb. So not essential for all users, but essential for those with unreliable internet connections, and ntb did specify that he had experienced this problem.

While it may be convenient in those situations, it's actually putting a band-aid over malignant melanoma: the ISP should be focusing on increasing their infrastructure. And if English ISPs are anything like US ISPs, they'd most likely rather pocket any extra cash and milk extort their subscriber base.

You're right. Not everyone has a neat, stable connection. And that's not fair, just only because few people are leeching traffic.
That's why I compress all my downloads in a usable way. Sadly, that's not the golden rule.

It's a downloads site. It shouldn't be putting even more restrictions to the users for getting the content. Common sense.

Oh come off it, "putting even more restrictions," my ass! That's a feature they have to add; not an actual restriction. If I was following your logic, I'd demand automated torrents with dedicated seeding from the site and splitting of downloads into not 1 type of chunk size, but various chunk sizes. It's not a necessity. People with unstable connections need to take it up with their ISP or their government, not the content deliverers. 

 

[Swyter]

Oh come off it, "putting even more restrictions," my ass! That's a feature they have to add; not an actual restriction. If I was following your logic, I'd demand automated torrents with dedicated seeding from the site and splitting of downloads into not 1 type of chunk size, but various chunk sizes. It's not a necessity. People with unstable connections need to take it up with their ISP or their government, not the content deliverers.

You clearly have not lived with a 45kb p/s line.
If you can't simply understand the frustration and the wasted hours. Only because you're into a rural area.
Then that comment is superfluous. If you don't need it, at least don't mine us. You aren't really favoring anyone with that attitude.

 

[MadocComadrin]

People with unstable connections need to take it up with their ISP or their government, not the content deliverers.

This applies to slow/outdated connections as well. It has absolutely nothing to do with the content deliverers and everything to do with the ISPs (and some to do with the government).

You're right, I haven't lived with a 45kbps line, but I did live with 56kbps dialup well into the mainstream DSL and cable connection era, but that's hardly different.

If you don't need it, at least don't mine us. You aren't really favoring anyone with that attitude.

Right, because encouraging fair practice of ISPs to increase the quality and coverage of their infrastructure and keep fair, competitive pricing favors only myself; oh wait, no it doesn't! It favors those in rural areas and those being priced-gouged by greedy telcos, especially those who have regional monopolies.

Continuing downloads are a convenience or a band-aid. Either way, it's not a necessity.

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

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So, the guy who runs the Nexus sites has contacted me in regards to his plans to open up a Nexus site for the Mount&Blade series. He apparently enjoys the series, and has been asked by many of his users about the idea. He's said that it will be some time yet before he'll be ready to tackle such a site, but it's planned.

One possibility we've briefly discussed would be to transition the contents of the Repository over to a new Mount&Blade Nexus site. This way, all of the files and listings would be preserved.

Some notes about the possible transition that come to mind:

• I doubt we'd be able to preserve the user list in the transition. If this were the case, users would need to claim ownership of file listings by confirming their identity, probably by entering their username/password they used on the Repository site.
• Comments for file listings might also be lost, but... honestly, that might not be a bad thing.
• The Nexus sites do have ads, and downloading files above a certain size does require setting up a free account. Probably not a real concern for most people, but since those were a couple of things I stressed about the Repository (no ads and no need for an account to download), I figure it's worth mentioning.
• Download speeds will likely be improved.

I normally wouldn't consider such a transition of control of the contents of the Repository site to someone else, but with it being the Nexus, which I use and appreciate myself for other games, I'm very seriously considering it.

I'll post a poll after a few days of discussion so people can vote on it. Again though, this isn't something that's likely to happen very soon.

I have no opinion on the matter either way, but I trust you to do what is best for the community.

 

[The Shadow]

Madoc get off your high horse.  All that's being pointed out is that that's a feature which makes MBRepository superior to the Nexus for a lot of people.  A good chunk of people can't afford high internet speeds, or don't feel like starting a petition to get them. 

And something tells me that if MBRepository has it, then the Nexus could probably as well.

Answer me this.  How the hell does not adding this feature increase bandwith and internet speeds in certain areas?  The fact is it doesn't do jack ****, and people shouldn't have to martyr themselves to download a mod. 

 

[MadocComadrin]

Madoc get off your high horse.  All that's being pointed out is that that's a feature which makes MBRepository superior to the Nexus for a lot of people.  A good chunk of people can't afford high internet speeds, or don't feel like starting a petition to get them. 

My high horse? I'm stating that it's not a necessity and why it isn't, not whether or not it could or should have it. Even a 1Mbps down is pretty cheap these days, and if they don't feel like doing something that would prevent them from being milked or left behind, do they really deserve it?

Like I said, the problem isn't the content deliverers, it's the ISPs.

Answer me this.  How the hell does not adding this feature increase bandwith and internet speeds in certain areas?  The fact is it doesn't do jack ****, and people shouldn't have to martyr themselves to download a mod.

It's not about a site having or not having this feature, I'm just pointing out that the reason some people find it useful is based on a bigger problem that should be dealt with.

Besides, I'm just countering someone who for some reason has an unreasonable bias against Nexus for whatever reason and is making mountains out of molehills by restarting something that was actually already finished.

 

[The Shadow]

Madoc get off your high horse.  All that's being pointed out is that that's a feature which makes MBRepository superior to the Nexus for a lot of people.  A good chunk of people can't afford high internet speeds, or don't feel like starting a petition to get them. 

My high horse? I'm stating that it's not a necessity and why it isn't, not whether or not it could or should have it.

Neat, increasing the file size cap to 1gb is a huge bonus  .

Another major problem is the feature to resume paused/disrupted downloads, I quote myself from before

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But the biggest reason according to me for sticking with Repository would be that, Nexus doesn't allow Continuation of disrupted/Paused Downloads unless the user is a Premium Member, while the repository allows Continuation of Paused/Disrupted downloads even to unregistered users.

Being able to pause and resume downloads is an essential feature of the repository. Especially considering that most of the MB mods are huge, and it would be difficult to download a 500mb or 900mb file at a single stretch for many users, not to mention having to start download from scratch in case the download gets disrupted.

Mmmm, because that sounds like a ridiculous statement.  Someone saying that an essential feature of the Repository to them is the ability to pause downloads. 

Even a 1Mbps down is pretty cheap these days, and if they don't feel like doing something that would prevent them from being milked or left behind, do they really deserve it?

Tell that to the Oceanic community...It's not a huge deal to add, I see no reason why it can't be a reason for some people not to want the Nexus. 

Like I said, the problem isn't the content deliverers, it's the ISPs.

Mount&Blade has bugs yes? 

Do we mod them out?  Yes. 

Answer me this.  How the hell does not adding this feature increase bandwith and internet speeds in certain areas?  The fact is it doesn't do jack ****, and people shouldn't have to martyr themselves to download a mod.

It's not about a site having or not having this feature, I'm just pointing out that the reason some people find it useful is based on a bigger problem that should be dealt with.

Besides, I'm just countering someone who for some reason has an unreasonable bias against Nexus for whatever reason and is making mountains out of molehills by restarting something that was actually already finished.

So Dark0ne is going to call up their ISPs and fix it?  Seriously, it's a feature that the Repository already has, so I don't see an issue that needs to be dealt with there.  I see a perfectly fine system already in place. 

 

[MadocComadrin]

Mmmm, because that sounds like a ridiculous statement.  Someone saying that an essential feature of the Repository to them is the ability to pause downloads. 

Ridiculous? No, don't take my words to such extremes. It's simply not a necessity.

Tell that to the Oceanic community...It's not a huge deal to add, I see no reason why it can't be a reason for some people not to want the Nexus. 

There are servers in a better location for the Oceanic community on the Nexus. Besides, I never said it shouldn't be added; I just said it wasn't a necessity. Stop trying to paint me out so extreme.

Mount&Blade has bugs yes? 

Do we mod them out?  Yes. 

This is a little bit different than that eh?

So Dark0ne is going to call up their ISPs and fix it?  Seriously, it's a feature that the Repository already has, so I don't see an issue that needs to be dealt with there.  I see a perfectly fine system already in place.

No. All I'm saying is that some people find it useful because their ISPs are lame. No one person is going to change that, but continuing downloads is still a band-aid on cancer in the bigger picture.

Please stop trying to twist my argument into something it's not. I'm not saying he shouldn't add it; by all means, he should! What I'm saying is that it's simply not a necessity.

 

[xenoargh]

Eh, why are you guys having a flame-war over something this silly, anyhow?  I mean... eh, let's look at the factual things that have been said, before you guys started flaming each other:

1.  Would being able to restart downloads be nice?  Yes. 

2.  Does Nexus, serving a larger number of people (and probably running into many more scumbags of various sorts) have a problem with people doing things to leech bandwidth occasionally?  Yes.

3.  Does the developer of said Nexus say that he'd fix the problem, but he's not sure how?  Yes.

4.  Does anybody say that if this is a priority for you, then you can stay on the Repository until whatever distant time the Nexus has proven to be a good host, since Janus has said nothing about closing down the Repository any time soon?  Yes.

So, eh... there's nothing to argue about here, lol.  Nobody's saying that it's a perfect world.  Nobody's saying that any big switch is coming where you'll be forced to do A or B, for those who don't want to try Nexus out, should this become available. 

Please act like grownups, this isn't OT

 

[MadocComadrin]

The Realm of Calradia is considered an annexed territory of OT. 

 

[Pharaoh Llandy]

It's true.

Also, calm down dudes.

 

[Tuckles]

Please act like grownups, this isn't OT

Yeah guys. TRoC is in the off-topic section. We have to live up to its standards.

 

[DrTomas]

As a modder my self, I'd actualy go for Nexus, as long as we have our upload size limit to 1gb. and not 300mb.

 

[Swyter]

As a modder my self, I'd actualy go for Nexus, as long as we have our upload size limit to 1gb. and not 300mb.

pffff hahaheh
That's my smart comment. Do what you want with it. *childish satisfaction*

 

[Dark0ne]

as long as we have our upload size limit to 1gb. and not 300mb.

It's already been done