Too much Intercultural Marriage.

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Spyware

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Doesn't anyone else find it weird that when you're at the second generation or so, you're fighting literally a buttload of Sturgian Aserais? Sturgian Khuzaits? Sturgian Vlandians and Battanians?
 

Emax

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Yes, thank you for also noticing this.

Just another one of those immersion breaking things that the resident SJWs on these forums might reeeee at you for pointing out though.
 

svelok

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Doesn't anyone else find it weird that when you're at the second generation or so, you're fighting literally a buttload of Sturgian Aserais? Sturgian Khuzaits? Sturgian Vlandians and Battanians?
At the same time though, clan defection is a major game mechanic. So that'll happen either way.
 

Emax

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At the same time though, clan defection is a major game mechanic. So that'll happen either way.
Yea but a sturgian's first course of action upon defection shouldnt be to head over to aserai lands, where the language, culture and climate would be entirely different.

Cross cultural mingling through marriage or defection should be a very rare thing.
 

Poddicus

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Now now that ain't very inclusive of you..

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Apocal

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Doesn't anyone else find it weird that when you're at the second generation or so, you're fighting literally a buttload of Sturgian Aserais? Sturgian Khuzaits? Sturgian Vlandians and Battanians?
It's partly due to a bug. Children used to inherit the culture of the same gender parent, now they only inherit from the mother.
 
Good. It is important that we make sure all cultures can live, fight, and feast together. Calradia has no room for your xenophobic ideas. Diversity is the most important aspect of Calradia.
 

Antaeus

Sergeant at Arms
intercultural marriage was historically a major way of arranging alliances and advancing interests. Whether it's a Bulgarian princess for a Byzantine Emperor or a Byzantine princess for a Russian Tzar or a Spanish princess for an English king, or a Serbian princess for a Turkish Sultan it happened, a lot, across cultures and religious boundaries.

So I find it a great mechanic. I just wish there was more to it - like the relationships it builds has more impact on the game.
 

Spyware

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intercultural marriage was historically a major way of arranging alliances and advancing interests. Whether it's a Bulgarian princess for a Byzantine Emperor or a Byzantine princess for a Russian Tzar or a Spanish princess for an English king, or a Serbian princess for a Turkish Sultan it happened, a lot, across cultures and religious boundaries.
I think only the ruling clan should have the possibility of intercultural marriage if that were the case because to have marriage alliances with foreigners without consent of the ruler is pretty freaking terrible for politics and regional stability. You'd be pretty insane to have your vassals marry off and gain potential powerful competitors... FROM ABROAD who could bring foreign armies all over into your country because you made a vague action that they interpreted as "breaking your agreement" or whatever context they want to rebel.

Plus, you're giving foreign powers an extra excuse to justify invading your lands because of some perceived birthright or whatever.
 
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Aleolex

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Doesn't anyone else find it weird that when you're at the second generation or so, you're fighting literally a buttload of Sturgian Aserais? Sturgian Khuzaits? Sturgian Vlandians and Battanians?
Wait, I'm confused, how is this a bad thing?
 

Spyware

Regular
Wait, I'm confused, how is this a bad thing?
I'm fighting for example Khuzaits(faction/nation) and half of them are Sturgians who also use their cultural dialogue like "I am Knyaz of the Khuzaits" or we can have another example of some Aserai guy who suddenly says... "I am Emir of the Battanians". It really is off-putting.
 

MadVader

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I'm fighting for example Khuzaits(faction/nation) and half of them are Sturgians who also use their cultural dialogue like "I am Knyaz of the Khuzaits" or we can have another example of some Aserai guy who suddenly says... "I am Emir of the Battanians". It really is off-putting.
Well, Stalin was Georgian, Hitler was Australian, the Windsors are German, and the Swedish kings are French. It was not off-putting to their followers.
 

Spyware

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Well, Stalin was Georgian, Hitler was Australian, the Windsors are German, and the Swedish kings are French. It was not off-putting to their followers.
And once again, they're rulers - they did not compose the majority of the nobility and even when foreigners constituted the nobility of an area - their integration was almost never peaceful - but through warfare and invasion, supplanting the previous nobility, usually violently. Besides, nobilities who did come to a foreign land peacefully assimilated to the culture they came to. An example is the House of Normandy when they first came to France with the Viking Rollo. The "Norman/Northmen" ADOPTED FRENCH CUSTOMS and considered themselves French, until some political row came about during the Hundred Years War, and then the established French rulers of England considered themselves "English" and for the first time in hundreds of years decided to learn the freaking language lol

They did not for generations kept the culture of "Northman" or "Viking". It's smarter to assimilate to the local populace unless you can rely on your cultural homeland's support at home like Rome or the House of Normandy when they were vassals of the French King. This way, the locals would quickly and surely see it better not to provoke the foreign power into brutal reprisals.

Also, Hitler was Austrian and even then Austria is by and large a VERY VERY INTEGRAL part of the greater Germanic cultural sphere, which does include German-speaking territories in Italy, Switzerland, etc. etc. If they were in the game, by culture they would be the equivalent of: "Northern Empire, Western Empire, Southern Empire" all Imperial in culture. In fact, Austria basically means "Eastern Realm/Kingdom" in Anglicized German, taken from how they call themselves: "Osterreich".


The examples you gave, all have their rulers assimilating to their host culture. In fact, the name Windsor was an ATTEMPT by the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to NOT BE GERMAN - especially to the eyes of the British people. Stalin could be different though as his political views were mixed with Communist Internationalism and barely had to do with culture. Still, he advocated that Russia's government being the dominant force and all other Communist followers submit to orders from Moscow with his Socialism in One Country principle.
 
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five bucks

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I also would like to see nobles be more predisposed to marry to different clans within their own faction. That should tone things down a bit, at least for the second generation (which is the only one that really matters, the way things stand now).
 

RitoDurito

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Yes, thank you for also noticing this.

Just another one of those immersion breaking things that the resident SJWs on these forums might reeeee at you for pointing out though.
Er in Warband defections happen constantly, late game was always a mix of lords on all sides I don't see why bannerlord would be different in terms of late game army diversity.

also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollo 👀
 

five bucks

Squire
Er in Warband defections happen constantly, late game was always a mix of lords on all sides I don't see why bannerlord would be different in terms of late game army diversity.

also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollo 👀
I don't think anyone is saying cross-cultural marriage never happened in real life, but what they're saying is that large numbers of nobles from other sides of the world can intermarry too much. As OP said as an example, large numbers of Sturgian Aserai.

Khuzait Battanians is the other big example. If we want to talk real life, I will eat my hat if a Celt nobleman and Khazar noblewoman are on record as ever even coming into contact in the 900s let alone marrying.
 

Apocal

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I don't think anyone is saying cross-cultural marriage never happened in real life, but what they're saying is that large numbers of nobles from other sides of the world can intermarry too much. As OP said as an example, large numbers of Sturgian Aserai.

Khuzait Battanians is the other big example. If we want to talk real life, I will eat my hat if a Celt nobleman and Khazar noblewoman are on record as ever even coming into contact in the 900s let alone marrying.
There is already code that checks the distance between clans as a part of their suitability. I'm not sure how it handles fiefless clans but there aren't many of those floating around. It is setup to favor marriages happening over not happening though, presumably for world state reasons; players would ***** mightily if clans started going extinct because they were hated by every other clan in their faction (voting against them consistently) and all their immediate neighbors (raids and conquest) so there were no suitable matches for their eligible members.

Anyway, Calradia's faction have full knowledge of the others and plenty cross-cultural contact so it isn't an equivalent to your example. Instead it is more like someone from Thrace marrying someone from the Black Sea steppes, which definitely did happen. I can't speak to other people's immersion but cross-cultual marriage among nobility wasn't uncommon historically.
 

Nodice83

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Anyway, Calradia's faction have full knowledge of the others and plenty cross-cultural contact so it isn't an equivalent to your example. Instead it is more like someone from Thrace marrying someone from the Black Sea steppes, which definitely did happen. I can't speak to other people's immersion but cross-cultual marriage among nobility wasn't uncommon historically.
It wasn't uncommon in medieval Europe but I'm not aware if this was a practice with different religious groups. I'm aware of some Byzantine/Western European States' alliances that were back up with marriages but no more than that. There is no religion in M&B so no further discussion based on that... Calradia reminds me of Westeros and all those clans that intermingle people to form alliances. I will stick to that. Works for me.
 

Apocal

Grandmaster Knight
It wasn't uncommon in medieval Europe but I'm not aware if this was a practice with different religious groups. I'm aware of some Byzantine/Western European States' alliances that were back up with marriages but no more than that. There is no religion in M&B so no further discussion based on that... Calradia reminds me of Westeros and all those clans that intermingle people to form alliances. I will stick to that. Works for me.
Yeah, it was made fairly clear that Raganvald used marriage to the Khuzaits (Arkits) to secure an alliance in one of the (partially) cut back stories.
 

Nodice83

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WBWF&SNWVC
Yeah, it was made fairly clear that Raganvald used marriage to the Khuzaits (Arkits) to secure an alliance in one of the (partially) cut back stories.
And that is fun even in itself. I wish they introduce more "Lore" to that world similar to what you write. Similar to Neretze's Clan Leader being a vassal of Rhagaea but at the same time conspiring against her having an ass pain and cultivating the desire to become an Emperor. I know it is not their primary intention. But through mystery, great worlds are born...
 
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