To TaleWorlds

[Al_Mansur]

I think the class system provides the same or similar levels of freedom as what came before

Tbh this sounds more like a joke.

 

[Mabons]

I was going to quote individual replies, but wow. I can't believe the speed at which these replies flew in.

I see a few people who think that I am attacking them for not loving certain multiplayer decisions, and some who feel that I am mischaracterizing their opinion as "hates everything about multiplayer".

Yeah we already covered this, I don't think you were attacking people quite as harshly as people make it out to be.

Let me try to restate my opinion. I enjoy the feel of the multiplayer, and I think the class system provides the same or similar levels of freedom as what came before, while offering structure that did not previously exist. To me it is like running a database query, everything still exists as it always did, you just have a neat way of organizing the information by type or variable now. Rather than scroll through weapons and compare individually, you search for "longest spear" and that's what you get. I like that. It's ok if you don't.

I mean your right, but this doesn't mean we had to remove the entire system Warband had, it just needed streamlined.

The point of my post was to highlight my own opinion, point out (admittedly anecdotally) that I am not alone, and ask that the devs remain skeptical of people saying things like "the majority", "clearly everyone", "only true fans" is not only unproductive, it could be downright false, in that this forum does not necessarily represent the entirety of the Bannerlord community (which is very positive in other places).

I look at other platforms like Reddit and the steam forums and no one really talks about the multiplayer there, only here do I find anyone talking about it.

I think that one aspect of my claim has been pretty solidly supported by the reaction to this thread. Look at your posts, and the cross-referencing of previous posts going back months and months. You all know each other intimately. This is a small community. I only ask that TW consider that before they make any sweeping changes on your behalf.

And as I said in my first reply you don't have to worry about that, they are already fully ignoring some of our feedback, even small changes. Yet as soon as something is posted in singleplayer forums it's changed in the next patch notes it seems.

I don't think this is rude, or at least that isn't my intention. I don't think that your opinion is lesser than mine. Our opinions might actually be very similar! I just think you (this forum in general) should stop attacking everyone who likes the game and claiming to speak for everyone, because you don't speak for me, and most of us can see through the "appeal to authority" fallacy anyway.

Agreed. We don't speak for everyone but we do speak for the people we talk to and interact with.

 

[RemnantHaru]

I ask people in-game sometimes what they think of multiplayer and specifically the class system and I have never heard anyone tell me they like the class system over WB's. I guess we just run in different circles even though we are forced to use the same matchmaking system...

 

[Younes]

Each experience is different, from my experience i have asked through the beta and a few times in the EA and only a few people saw its merits but agreed that it was only good for specific gamemodes.

Again, personal experience is not a real argument

 

[RemnantHaru]

Each experience is different, from my experience i have asked through the beta and a few times in the EA and only a few people saw its merits but agreed that it was only good for specific gamemodes.

Again, personal experience is not a real argument

Exactly. Trying to show the dichotomy of experience so people stop referencing ad populum arguments.

 

[Zcrouse08]

Exactly. Trying to show the dichotomy of experience so people stop referencing ad populum arguments.

You're right, that is exactly what I was doing.

Yeah we already covered this, I don't think you were attacking people quite as harshly as people make it out to be.

Thanks, I thought nobody could understand what I was saying. It's disheartening to watch people (possibly deliberately) misinterpreting what you've said.

I mean your right, but this doesn't mean we had to remove the entire system Warband had, it just needed streamlined.

I completely agree, I just think this is a streamlined version of WB MP. You have the same options (large shield, small shield, long spear, short spear) but the combos are restricted, which makes it easier to balance. I completely understand not liking that, I just do like it.

I look at other platforms like Reddit and the steam forums and no one really talks about the multiplayer there, only here do I find anyone talking about it.

You know what? You've got me there. I've seen comments in both places about MP, but in such small numbers compared to this forum, I think it's more than fair to say that MP is more heavily dissected here than anywhere else. I concede on that point, truly.

And as I said in my first reply you don't have to worry about that, they are already fully ignoring some of our feedback, even small changes. Yet as soon as something is posted in singleplayer forums it's changed in the next patch notes it seems.

I don't know them personally, but I bet you'll be surprised. SP needs love first because SP is where reviews die. No money, no game. I think we can reasonably assume that we will have multiple maps, better servers in some form, possibly more modes. I assume this will come later.

Agreed. We don't speak for everyone but we do speak for the people we talk to and interact with.

Yeah, that was my only point. I keep seeing these scathing comments that include verbiage which suggests that the speaker represents the majority of players, and I don't believe that to be true, or at least I don't see any evidence of that being true. I hope that TaleWorlds sees this very small number of people complaining loudly and constantly, and gives pause before they change something which, so far, has met with resounding success in terms of Steam concurrency and sales, especially for an unfinished Early Access game.

 

[Younes]

I hope that TaleWorlds sees this very small number of people complaining loudly and constantly, and gives pause before they change something which, so far, has met with resounding success in terms of Steam concurrency and sales, especially for an unfinished Early Access game.

As said before, you can not deduct that this is a small minority.

 

[Zcrouse08]

As said before, you can not deduct that this is a small minority.

I'm referring to the small number of people commenting on this forum, which is why I said "small number" and not "small minority".

 

[Younes]

I'm referring to the small number of people commenting on this forum.

Well yeah, but we don't know if their opinion is a majority or minority

 

[Zcrouse08]

Well yeah, but we don't know if their opinion is a majority or minority

Yes, exactly. See OP for details. I'm not trying to be rude, but it sounds like you're repeating my opinion back to me as if it were yours and I required education. I'll repeat; I hope TaleWorlds doesn't feel pressure to act on the opinions presented by individuals who claim that they speak for the majority, as we have no way currently to prove or disprove that claim.

 

[Younes]

Yes, exactly. See OP for details. I'm not trying to be rude, but it sounds like you're repeating my opinion back to me as if it were yours and I required education. I'll repeat; I hope TaleWorlds doesn't feel pressure to act on the opinions presented by individuals who claim that they speak for the majority, as we have no way currently to prove or disprove that claim.

Ah yes, sorry it's just that i probably interpreted it wrong

 

[Zcrouse08]

Ah yes, sorry it's just that i probably interpreted it wrong

Hey, no problem! I need to do a better job of clearly stating my opinion, as I am often misunderstood in text.

 

[safe]

Where is fietta to close this thread, isn't it flame baiting? So criticism and asking tw members questions is flaming and this is not ? Dear TW forum moderators could you at least treat people equally if you can't be just???

 

[Younes]

Where is fietta to close this thread, isn't it flame baiting? So criticism and asking tw members questions is flaming and this is not ? Dear TW forum moderators could you at least treat people equally if you can't be just???

Safe, there have been quiet a bit of moderators who are also against some decisions made by taleworlds. They are in no way biased.

 

[safe]

Well, i agree, i should have stated it differently but there are certain moderators that seem to cooperate with trolls like metafa(most likely unconsciously) in depreciating any forms of criticism and not letting other community members to ask some uncomfortable questions. Whenever there is some discussion or criticism that includes some valid pleas they spam it with some ridiculous counterarguments or bait **** storms just so it can be closed without possibility to come to any conclusion.

 

[Zcrouse08]

Well, i agree, i should have stated it differently but there are certain moderators that seem to cooperate with trolls like metafa in depreciating any forms of criticism and not letting other community members to ask some uncomfortable questions. Whenever there is some discussion or criticism that includes some valid pleas they spam it with some ridiculous counterarguments or bait **** storms just so it can be closed without possibility to come to any conclusion.

Wait, you think I'm "flame baiting" because some other guy sometimes posts in other threads? I honestly don't understand that train of thought, but I urge you to please read what I've posted. I'm not attacking anyone, I just want TW to see that the trend of declaring "everyone feels this way" is false. That's all. I have no desire to cause or participate in useless name calling, in fact I was motivated to write this post after reading post after post after post of the same few individuals swearing and ranting and trying to run off anyone who didn't agree with them. If you are against "flame wars", then we're on the same side.

 

[safe]

Wait, you think I'm "flame baiting" because some other guy sometimes posts in other threads? I honestly don't understand that train of thought, but I urge you to please read what I've posted. I'm not attacking anyone, I just want TW to see that the trend of declaring "everyone feels this way" is false. That's all. I have no desire to cause or participate in useless name calling, in fact I was motivated to write this post after reading post after post after post of the same few individuals swearing and ranting and trying to run off anyone who didn't agree with them. If you are against "flame wars", then we're on the same side.

Did i ever mention specifically you? No, im talking about general trend on this forum.

 

[Zcrouse08]

Where is fietta to close this thread, isn't it flame baiting? So criticism and asking tw members questions is flaming and this is not ? Dear TW forum moderators could you at least treat people equally if you can't be just???

Did i ever mention specifically you?

Yes, see above.

 

[Orion]

there are certain moderators that seem to cooperate with trolls like metafa(most likely unconsciously) in depreciating any forms of criticism and not letting other community members to ask some uncomfortable questions.

This is completely false. It may seem this way to the casual observer, but that's simply because Metafa's opinions provoke lots of negative responses from people who are frustrated for other reasons. All moderators are volunteers, and many of us are openly critical of TaleWorlds (myself included).

 

[SpartanBG]

This is completely false. It may seem this way to the casual observer, but that's simply because Metafa's opinions provoke lots of negative responses from people who are frustrated for other reasons. All moderators are volunteers, and many of us are openly critical of TaleWorlds (myself included).

This is the way!