Time for Hollande to rule France
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Adorno 说:It was serious
I know
.Indeed. Long and off topic. So we have to keep this short.
It would be correct to conclude from a unified market that it was neoliberal - as long as this conclusion is based on the assumption that there was nothing outside the European frontiers. Globalisation would be such a neoliberal nightmare. Globalisation is run without any institutionalisation (except for WTO) and without any regulation. However, both are features of the EU. Actually, most people complain that there was too much regulation in the EU.
You're judging potential short term effects (social cuts in case there is nothing else to cut, like an army), neither the background (debts) nor the need, and do not consider the alternatives. This policy is the second lessest evil. The only thing better than that would be to do away with nation's full bugdet authority and to conduct a EU wide monetary reform annihilating the debts.
Globalization is created by institutions, and is continually expanded by institutions.Bayard-X 说:
And these include IMF, WTO, EU, European Central Bank and others.
The goal of globalization is the deregulation of markets and the prevention of 'trade barriers'.
In short countries are prevented from governing/regulating their own economy,
and instead regulate their markets to comply to global markets.
Adorno 说:
It still does not have any institution you can call while EU has plenty. You don't need to teach me how and what is globalisation.
And still I really doubt your concepts. What you want to say? That if the Grand Principalty of Hesse Nassau was running its own economy, it would be able to compete with the US? [Edit: Or even resist forcing to comply to their market needs.] Then why isn't the free village of Arlanc doing fine?
So it's official now, 51,9 % with 20 % of absentation. I voted for Sarkozy but I don't think Hollande will make a bad president. My biggest worry regarding his planned policies so far is on energy policy, namely the phasing out of nuclear power. Another really important issue for me was the EU, but I've been relatively comforted on that account. Still, the Sarkozy/Merkel dynamic was a known entity, and despite it's hang-ups it worked. I hope Hollande will make it work as well, if not better. All in all though, looking forward to seeing what he's got in store.
Just to remember, our next President will have one chance to change the course of europe.
The Merkozy campaign on the E.U global austerity, will lead nowhere but to the downfall of the E.U.
The plan to pay interest that bank loobies has set up have to come to an end.
That why so much countries are voting for extreme parties. (In greek, the top 2 parties are communist and far right party )
The small worker in Europe feel like his countries, his social protections and services are being crush in order to pay debt and pay interest.
Remember that the Lisbonne treaty was refused in France at 55% and that Sarkozy put the vote on the national assembly in order to force it to the French's throat.
In 1973. We gave the power to lend money to private bank, lead by private interest.
In 2002, the treat set it as a "rule" for any country that wish to join the E.U.
The US control their cash policy, same for China. But we in Europe, think that it's should be better if banks have this power instead of governments elected by people.
This is the real deal. Now that paying interest is the first budget of France, remind that to people who say," we don't have any money left .. "
The Merkozy campaign on the E.U global austerity, will lead nowhere but to the downfall of the E.U.
The plan to pay interest that bank loobies has set up have to come to an end.
That why so much countries are voting for extreme parties. (In greek, the top 2 parties are communist and far right party )
The small worker in Europe feel like his countries, his social protections and services are being crush in order to pay debt and pay interest.
Remember that the Lisbonne treaty was refused in France at 55% and that Sarkozy put the vote on the national assembly in order to force it to the French's throat.
In 1973. We gave the power to lend money to private bank, lead by private interest.
In 2002, the treat set it as a "rule" for any country that wish to join the E.U.
The US control their cash policy, same for China. But we in Europe, think that it's should be better if banks have this power instead of governments elected by people.
This is the real deal. Now that paying interest is the first budget of France, remind that to people who say," we don't have any money left .. "
Globalization is not an institution but a set of policies created by people (politicians mostly)Bayard-X 说:
and those policies can be changed by people.
My point is countries are not to compete, but have regulated markets
where the individual governments determine such things as taxes, tariffs, tolls.
If you have supernational institutions determining a country's monetary policies (for example)
then democracy is being limited.
Oberyn 说:
+1, especially on the energy policy.
Aldric 说:
I agree, too. This should be done away with. We need to prevent what is planned in Spain, where they want to remove cash which would increase the dependency to the banks for money growth.
But I am not sure, if the Chinese government is elected by the Chinese people.
Schemer
Aldric 说:
Does that mean Greece has a very far left party (the Communist Party of professional revolutionaries as put forth by Lenin to educate the public on communism and eventually create the dictatorship of the proletariat) and a far right party, or that it has two far right parties?
If you get to vote for a pseudo-vanguard party, that doesn't sound half bad unless they have no idea what communism, Marxism, or Marxism-Leninism are. As seen in most places with Communist Party majorities, e.g: the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea, which seems like they forgot what communism was as soon as they were powerful. Most leaders who dream of communism forget it when they are in that leading position. Mao Zedong may have wanted true communism, but then he implemented a totalitarian state and let anywhere from twenty to seventy million people starve to death.
Adorno 说:
Why brooding in this folklore of regional states of negligible influence? We could also have a European state controlled by the people. This would be just a reform of the current institutions.
In the end, you'd have to admit that a random European nation with 35 million citizens would not be able to refuse all alone to comply to ruthless imperatives from people of 350 million or even 1.35 billion. Together, we're 500 million individuals able to raise our voice for our shared values of liberty and solidarity in equality. Now this will sound somewhat oldish: "We must hang together, lest we hang separately." Or even more oldisher: "Divide et impera" - We'll get ruled upon if we are devided.
Toffey
He's planning on phasing out nuclear energy? What are they planning on using instead? If 80% of France's electricity comes from nuclear, they certainly won't being making that up with wind or solar.Bayard-X 说:
Is this all because of Fukushima?
Schemer
Governments will never see significant reforms that solve the issue of having a government in the first place. Revolutions only stop the issue to bring it back later. If they were more successful and actively employed, China's government would have been overthrown in another revolution as soon as people learned that Mao Zedong was a lying sack of ****, unwilling to even follow the socioeconomic theories he taught his people.Bayard-X 说:
Mage246
Adorno 说:
Most parliaments operate in a similar fashion. You have committees devoted to a particular issue, they examine the topic, figure out the most effective ways to address problems, then propose them to the full legislature for an up or down vote (sometimes with the parliament able to make amendments). Sounds more like you don't understand democracy or how to make it practical and effective.
Schemer
Mage246 说:
A democracy is supposed to involve all people having a say in political matters. In practice, a democracy is only controlled by a consul and the bourgeoisie. There has never been a true democracy, really. He is right in saying that there is not much democracy in how they currently operate. The lack of ever having a true democracy does not make democratic theory any worse, nor does it make every current bastardisation of it correct.
Adorno 说:
Haven't I said something about a reform? The importance of the EU parliament needs to be augmented, I admit. But this can only happen on the expense of the national parliaments that are working in very much the same way.
Well, maybe you really believe it was more democratic to get some Pinochets forced upon us, like they did in puny little Chile.
@ Mage246: Ninja!
Schemer 说:
IMHO, they did not care in the first place because they went to pretend to implement it, but in a majorily pre-modern society (even in 2003 they were pre industrial seen that 33% was working in the agriculture and only 30% in industry - modern societies have less than 10% in agriculture).
Also, I think that there is a theoretical flaw in the outlook of Marxism because it assumes the end of development in industrialisation - while we are already beyond that. But there may be revolutions with every considerable shift of social group focusses - like you hint it out in you other post.
Toffey 说:He's planning on phasing out nuclear energy? What are they planning on using instead? If 80% of France's electricity comes from nuclear, they certainly won't being making that up with wind or solar.Bayard-X 说:
Is this all because of Fukushima?
Yep, and because of Germany. They want to do the Germany in approximately the same time. They could actually make attempts by exploiting hydro power.
